OverIord Ulath
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Posted - 2014.04.27 04:31:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Personally I'am for a Socialist revolution that will give the power to the workers and will nationalize the means of production. Because socialism has worked so well for the shmucks who have already tried it. Socialism =/= Communism Thanks, Obamarama.
BLAAAM!
1. Obama has done a crapton of terrible things, but so has every single president since George Washington left office.
2. Socialism is far more preferable than the corporate oligarchy we currently live in.
3. If you hate the government giving affordable healthcare to millions of Americans who were previously unable to get any and you hate the government making insurance companies stop selling people BS insurance policies to people who don't know what good insurance looks like, that's your problem. Not the rest of the country's.
4. Well over half of the civilized nations in the world have free health care for their citizens because people have a RIGHT to PROPER healthcare regardless of income bracket. The only reason we don't is because money has been running politics and dictating laws since before most of you were born. Thanks Koch Brothers!
Ok, I'm done. Have fun battling this out. I'll just leave this here for people actually willing to bash both conservatives and liberals when they are wrong. |
OverIord Ulath
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Posted - 2014.04.27 06:06:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I agree with most of what you said except #2.
Socialism has never and will never be a good form of government. Socialism borderlines communism in too many ways.
In fact many of the government's the USA considers communist actually consider themselves socialist. The former Soviet Union being a prime example as USSR stood for Union of Socialist Soviet Republics. East Germany was also socialist due to its USSR connection. Many dictator controlled countries like Iraq and Syria considered themselves socialist as does North Korea.
On paper socialisim seems to be the perfect government where everyone has equal rights to goods and services. Socialism is the working man's government, thus the use of the hammer and the sickel logo used by the USSR.
However, in reality socialism almost always fails due to greed and corruption by the few in power, causing the people to suffer and the government to collapse or slide into full communism or a dictatorship.
Any government that works is a blend of ideas from all sources because no singular political philosophy can run a country for long. Communism is a higher form of socialism, basically socialism carried to it's furthest extremes. However socialism, when blended with the proper elements from other governing ideologies, can be a very good thing. Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia have socialist economies, including much more pervasive welfare states than in the US, but are all free democracies.
The usual US definition of socialism is closer to the political definition of totalitarianism, even Congressmen say "socialism" instead of "totalitarianism." In the academic world, "socialism" really means "state control of the economy." Socialism isn't really a bad thing in and of itself, the real question is "How much is too much socialism?"
Here's some food for thought:
Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Communism: a political theory advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Totalitarianism: a political system in which the state holds total authority over the society and seeks to control all aspects of public and private life wherever possible.
Notice how far apart socialism is in definition from the other two it is always lumped in with? Socialism is a means of keeping corporate money from taking over as it has in the US, and a means of insuring the well-being of all citizens. The problem is that socialist policies can be carried too far, which leads to many of the terrible socialist governments we see today. |