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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2693	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:06:00 - [1] - Quote Worked an all night shift on Thursday so I was home today to play at a time when few people I normally play with are around, so I decided to try grinding some spambush matches solo. The 2 vehicle rule has made a tremendous difference. Kudos to CCP for actually giving us 3 playable modes again! On a related note: OMG LaZ0rZ!!!1!!1!@11!!!! The Amarr assault bonus is working perfectly! I melted an entire 4 man team with a single beam. It is difficult to express in words just how freaking satisfying that was. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2696	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:10:00 - [2] - Quote Oh, and inb4 cool story bro. LR part is not the point. I just like saying laz0rz. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1266	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:11:00 - [3] - Quote Yes it is. Had some fun with remotes and shotgun lately. What lazor you using? I use ELM-7. Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all. SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60 1mil SP and counting
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4036	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:15:00 - [4] - Quote Jots down names Oh, you guys are LR users? Shudders Back on topic, yea Ambush is pretty fun nowadays. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2696	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:15:00 - [5] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Yes it is. Had some fun with remotes and shotgun lately. What lazor you using? I use ELM-7. Depends. I use the ELM on my logi suit since I don't get the bonus. On my Templar assault I naturally use the Templar LR, the bonus still makes it super deadly and I think the whole suit costs me about 5000 ISK, mostly for the assault SMG and armor mods. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1266	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:17:00 - [6] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Yes it is. Had some fun with remotes and shotgun lately. What lazor you using? I use ELM-7. Depends. I use the ELM on my logi suit since I don't get the bonus. On my Templar assault I naturally use the Templar LR, the bonus still makes it super deadly and I think the whole suit costs me about 5000 ISK, mostly for the assault SMG and armor mods. My fun fit cost 8k if I fit it right. Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all. SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60 1mil SP and counting
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:21:00 - [7] - Quote What drugs are you on? The two vehicle rule is breaking ambush!? *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4037	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:22:00 - [8] - Quote keno trader wrote: What drugs are you on? The two vehicle rule is breaking ambush!? Just curious, how do you think so? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1268	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:22:00 - [9] - Quote keno trader wrote: What drugs are you on? The two vehicle rule is breaking ambush!? Not if you JLAV like a boss. Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all. SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60 1mil SP and counting
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2700	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:22:00 - [10] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Jots down names Oh, you guys are LR users? Shudders Back on topic, yea Ambush is pretty fun nowadays. Don't need to be too scared of me... yet. I got used to not having the Amarr assault bonus and so I keep turning the beam off too soon! I'm losing a lot of DPS that way. Although, the average Caldari suits do tend to lose their shields even if I look at them funny so maybe you should be a little worried, lol. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2700	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:24:00 - [11] - Quote keno trader wrote: What drugs are you on? The two vehicle rule is breaking ambush!? Lolwut? The rule totally saved ambush. Either you are some scrub spambush tanker or totally misread my post. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:25:00 - [12] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: keno trader wrote: What drugs are you on? The two vehicle rule is breaking ambush!? Lolwut? The rule totally saved ambush. Either you are some scrub spambush tanker or totally misread my post. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157213&find=unread If perhaps you got out of your triple rep maddy once in a while and took a look at the crushed blueberries you might think otherwise. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 305	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:27:00 - [13] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Worked an all night shift on Thursday so I was home today to play at a time when few people I normally play with are around, so I decided to try grinding some spambush matches solo. The 2 vehicle rule has made a tremendous difference. Kudos to CCP for actually giving us 3 playable modes again! On a related note: OMG LaZ0rZ!!!1!!1!@11!!!! The Amarr assault bonus is working perfectly! I melted an entire 4 man team with a single beam. It is difficult to express in words just how freaking satisfying that was. I don't believe you Welcome to you're "DOOM"
Thokk Nightshade Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 94	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:29:00 - [14] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Jots down names Oh, you guys are LR users? Shudders Back on topic, yea Ambush is pretty fun nowadays. Don't need to be too scared of me... yet. I got used to not having the Amarr assault bonus and so I keep turning the beam off too soon! I'm losing a lot of DPS that way. Although, the average Caldari suits do tend to lose their shields even if I look at them funny so maybe you should be a little worried, lol. That's the damn truth... Lazor rifles melt my shield like a hot knife through butter... I am not a fan. However, because of how well they do their job, I'm thinking about grabbing a basic one and trying it out to see for myself how special and awesome it is.
freed bird Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:30:00 - [15] - Quote Ambush is so much fun...NOT.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4038	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:32:00 - [16] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Jots down names Oh, you guys are LR users? Shudders Back on topic, yea Ambush is pretty fun nowadays. Don't need to be too scared of me... yet. I got used to not having the Amarr assault bonus and so I keep turning the beam off too soon! I'm losing a lot of DPS that way. Although, the average Caldari suits do tend to lose their shields even if I look at them funny so maybe you should be a little worried, lol. LOL! From "Don't be scared" to "Be afraid, be very afraid". Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2702	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:32:00 - [17] - Quote keno trader wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: keno trader wrote: What drugs are you on? The two vehicle rule is breaking ambush!? Lolwut? The rule totally saved ambush. Either you are some scrub spambush tanker or totally misread my post. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157213&find=unread If perhaps you got out of your triple rep maddy once in a while and took a look at the crushed blueberries you might think otherwise. WTF are you talking about? I'm a logi, not a tanker. I'm totally fine with removing them completely from ambush but my point is that restricting it to 2 vehicles total has made a big difference. Cyzad4 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Worked an all night shift on Thursday so I was home today to play at a time when few people I normally play with are around, so I decided to try grinding some spambush matches solo. The 2 vehicle rule has made a tremendous difference. Kudos to CCP for actually giving us 3 playable modes again! On a related note: OMG LaZ0rZ!!!1!!1!@11!!!! The Amarr assault bonus is working perfectly! I melted an entire 4 man team with a single beam. It is difficult to express in words just how freaking satisfying that was. I don't believe you Which part? That it's fun or the part about the LR? TBH I was surprised I enjoyed it myself. As for the laz0r, you must not have seen it in beta. It's back. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2702	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:37:00 - [18] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Jots down names Oh, you guys are LR users? Shudders Back on topic, yea Ambush is pretty fun nowadays. Don't need to be too scared of me... yet. I got used to not having the Amarr assault bonus and so I keep turning the beam off too soon! I'm losing a lot of DPS that way. Although, the average Caldari suits do tend to lose their shields even if I look at them funny so maybe you should be a little worried, lol. That's the damn truth... Lazor rifles melt my shield like a hot knife through butter... I am not a fan. However, because of how well they do their job, I'm thinking about grabbing a basic one and trying it out to see for myself how special and awesome it is. Please allow me to enlighten you then, my Caldari brother in arms. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3112	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:57:00 - [19] - Quote Now if they just figure how to limit it by vehicle type then do it for all game modes. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 319	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:59:00 - [20] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Worked an all night shift on Thursday so I was home today to play at a time when few people I normally play with are around, so I decided to try grinding some spambush matches solo. The 2 vehicle rule has made a tremendous difference. Kudos to CCP for actually giving us 3 playable modes again! On a related note: OMG LaZ0rZ!!!1!!1!@11!!!! The Amarr assault bonus is working perfectly! I melted an entire 4 man team with a single beam. It is difficult to express in words just how freaking satisfying that was. i only have amarr assult 2 so i put my vizam laser on it and managed to melt an entire squad minus the heavy. the others were logis pointhoreing the heavy. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*

Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 319	Posted - 2014.04.26 04:01:00 - [21] - Quote keno trader wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: keno trader wrote: What drugs are you on? The two vehicle rule is breaking ambush!? Lolwut? The rule totally saved ambush. Either you are some scrub spambush tanker or totally misread my post. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157213&find=unread If perhaps you got out of your triple rep maddy once in a while and took a look at the crushed blueberries you might think otherwise. pffff. triple reps are ** against missiles. Elite Gallenten Soldier**
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2014.04.26 04:13:00 - [22] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: keno trader wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: keno trader wrote: What drugs are you on? The two vehicle rule is breaking ambush!? Lolwut? The rule totally saved ambush. Either you are some scrub spambush tanker or totally misread my post. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157213&find=unread If perhaps you got out of your triple rep maddy once in a while and took a look at the crushed blueberries you might think otherwise. pffff. triple reps are ** against missiles. You can keep telling yourself that. 1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. 1.8** --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
Thokk Nightshade Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 94	Posted - 2014.04.26 05:23:00 - [23] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Jots down names Oh, you guys are LR users? Shudders Back on topic, yea Ambush is pretty fun nowadays. Don't need to be too scared of me... yet. I got used to not having the Amarr assault bonus and so I keep turning the beam off too soon! I'm losing a lot of DPS that way. Although, the average Caldari suits do tend to lose their shields even if I look at them funny so maybe you should be a little worried, lol. That's the damn truth... Lazor rifles melt my shield like a hot knife through butter... I am not a fan. However, because of how well they do their job, I'm thinking about grabbing a basic one and trying it out to see for myself how special and awesome it is. Please allow me to enlighten you then, my Caldari brother in arms. I'm pretty sure you've "enlightened" me with that beam on more than one occasion! In all honesty, that was a really comprehensive guide. Thanks for the info. My favorite part about it (from what I'm seeing in youtube videos) is the sight. That nice little dot in the middle that says "you are aiming here." That is just awesome.
Captain Crutches Nexus Marines 83	Posted - 2014.04.26 06:41:00 - [24] - Quote Indeed, I've found Ambush to be much more enjoyable since 1.8, provided Smart Deploy cooperates and Nyain isn't out shitting it up. Anti-Respec \| Anti-Protostomp \| Pro-Tiericide \| Pro-EVE Link \| Pro-CCP Fun > Winning > KDR Lifetime K/D 0.69, WP/D 69
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 601	Posted - 2014.04.26 08:18:00 - [25] - Quote ambush is ok til about 1600-1700 DUST time. not so many of the tank spamming corps on til about then. lasers are a bit ridiculous again atm. not quite sure who at ccp thought they needed more damage it was mainly the max range. the new closer range is also pretty dumb too. thats the idea of your sidearm and for closer combat we have the ScR. Laser was supposed to be medium to long range keeping the red dots at a distance while allowing the rifle/hmg guys to deal with the ones that get through. i melted through a gallente heavy other day with my viziam from about 10-15m it really wants to be put back so they're at their best from 30m upwards ranges. also make lasers more amarr specialized as they are in eve. double the heat build up and use the built in attributes like the hack bonus on logis and hp regen of gallente suits so that all amarr suits get a 25% heat reduction built in and the assault gets a further reduction. that way it focuses laser weapons (in eve all amarr ships get a capacitor reduction skill to lasers) also for the range issue introduce a skill along the line of 'Lens Crystal Calibration' for the laser rifle which gives better focusing of the beam at closer ranges. Rolling with the punches
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2709	Posted - 2014.04.26 13:57:00 - [26] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Worked an all night shift on Thursday so I was home today to play at a time when few people I normally play with are around, so I decided to try grinding some spambush matches solo. The 2 vehicle rule has made a tremendous difference. Kudos to CCP for actually giving us 3 playable modes again! On a related note: OMG LaZ0rZ!!!1!!1!@11!!!! The Amarr assault bonus is working perfectly! I melted an entire 4 man team with a single beam. It is difficult to express in words just how freaking satisfying that was. I don't believe you edit pics or it didn't happen Went and played a quick ambush before joining up with my corp for the night: How this? Admittedly it was a loss, but a close one. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1842	Posted - 2014.04.26 14:12:00 - [27] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Now if they just figure how to limit it by vehicle type then do it for all game modes. The original concept for DUST had this. The Commander would sit in the warbarge, they could then choose out of the 6-8 vehicle limit what vehicles could be called in out of that number. 3 fighters 2 tanks 1 MAV and 2 LAV... for example. You then had to go out and score a certain amount of warpoints before you could then call in your vehicle. Was a solid concept... Sadly we got the half fast short sighted Vehicle and warpoint system we have now.
Je-NOVA ZionTCD 29	Posted - 2014.04.26 14:16:00 - [28] - Quote I hope the 2 vehicle limit for all vehicles is temporary. It should be limited to 2hav, 2 lavs, 1 ads, and 1 logi dropship. They also need to finally fix the blobbing spawns. As soon as you die, smart depoy should spawn you in a completely new area random area 100 meters away from any enemies. Sometimes you don't even have a chance to get an uplink away from the crate or corner you spawned in. I can tell something is wrong with the spawn code because no other game spawns the entire team within melee range of each other.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2715	Posted - 2014.04.26 17:07:00 - [29] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Now if they just figure how to limit it by vehicle type then do it for all game modes. The original concept for DUST had this. The Commander would sit in the warbarge, they could then choose out of the 6-8 vehicle limit what vehicles could be called in out of that number. 3 fighters 2 tanks 1 MAV and 2 LAV... for example. You then had to go out and score a certain amount of warpoints before you could then call in your vehicle. Was a solid concept... Sadly we got the half fast short sighted Vehicle and warpoint system we have now. God that would (and hopefully will) be so glorious. So much potential. Maybe for the PS5. Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: ambush is ok til about 1600-1700 DUST time. not so many of the tank spamming corps on til about then. lasers are a bit ridiculous again atm. not quite sure who at ccp thought they needed more damage it was mainly the max range. the new closer range is also pretty dumb too. -snip- i melted through a gallente heavy other day with my viziam from about 10-15m it really wants to be put back so they're at their best from 30m upwards ranges. That's a definite pics or it didn't happen for me. He must have been standing completely still or AFK. As for the weapon, it's still very situational and skill based if you ask me. There's little question it needed more damage at short range and a longer/wider optimal. The RRs long (or short!) range and high DPS needed a counter, it was crazy. Additionally, just like with the old QQ about the ScR, I see no problem with a weapon being devastating if you use it properly AND skill it up to proto AND skill a particular suit up to proto all at the same time. That's the whole point of Dust, isn't it? Specializing into a certain role to maximize your effectiveness? That said, yes You can make an argument that in terms of niches the LR should certainly start being effective at 30 (which if you ask me is still true) but it should still be able to do something at short range, which it previously did not, and there absolutely needed to be a damage increase with tiers as well. There was really no point to using any but the std before. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2045	Posted - 2014.04.26 17:12:00 - [30] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Worked an all night shift on Thursday so I was home today to play at a time when few people I normally play with are around, so I decided to try grinding some spambush matches solo. The 2 vehicle rule has made a tremendous difference. Kudos to CCP for actually giving us 3 playable modes again! On a related note: OMG LaZ0rZ!!!1!!1!@11!!!! The Amarr assault bonus is working perfectly! I melted an entire 4 man team with a single beam. It is difficult to express in words just how freaking satisfying that was. Scrubs can't deploy to ambush with a tanker or 2, so they complain about it and have the vehicle maximum nerfed. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim



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