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Ridire Greine 298	Posted - 2014.04.25 13:05:00 - [1] - Quote Scout suit. Increase the Scout Profile up from 35db, to 45db, this is 5db below that of an Assault suit. What exactly would this do? Players would be more inclined to fit Dampening Modules in their lows instead of an armour tank. Cloaks Standard Cloak - 10% Reduction to Profile ADV Cloak - 15% Reduction to Profile Proto Cloak - 20% Reduction to Profile There is currently no point to fit anything past the Standard Cloak unless your intention is to use it as a Combat item or to camp a corner. A Standard item should not give a 25% Reduction to Profile and a Cloaking ability, ever. Bonus Just an idea, but change the bonus from: 15% Reduction to the CPU / PG Consumption of Cloaks per level. Standard Cloak - 160 / 35 to 40 / 9 Advanced Cloak - 231 / 49 to 58 / 13 Prototype Cloak - 330 / 70 to 83 / 18 To: 5% Reduction to the CPU / PG Consumption of Biotic Modules per level. Complex Kin Cats - 27 / 15 to 21 / 12 Complex Cardiacs - 12 / 8 to 9 / 7 Complex Myos - 51 / 3 to 39 / 2 or 3 don't know how that works out What would this do? It would further intice people not to fill their slots with tanking modules, but instead with Biotics. OR 10% Reduction to the CPU / PG Consumption of Cloaks per level Standard Cloak - 160 / 35 to 80 / 18 Advanced Cloak - 231 / 49 to 116 / 25 Prototype Cloak - 330 / 70 to 165 / 35 What would this do? It would make Cloaks more of a pain to fit, making them harder to fit with Combat modules, or Prototype weapons, restricting the user's combat ability. And as for a small possible buff to Assaults, increase their Equip count from 1 -> 2 at Advanced and Prototype levels. Any good reason why this shouldn't be done? I'd just like to say: inb4 "QQ U CNT C CLACKS" "Should've gone to Specsavers" "Scrub, do u evn lift?" and all the other insults people may throw at me for poking the Cloaks which seem to be a very touchy subject. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 298	Posted - 2014.04.25 13:13:00 - [2] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: please stop making these threads? Never. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 298	Posted - 2014.04.25 13:22:00 - [3] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Better option. We used to have 45dB and it was awful because you literally couldn't hide from anything. The best solution is to leave the profile as-is, but reduce the dampening bonus on cloaks to 10 or 15%, which would have the same result while weakning the cloak's advantages rather than negating most of the value of a lot of Scout fittings. You're trying to nerf ALL Scout suits because of ONE specific fitting you don't like. Stop, think about it seriously, then come back with a good idea instead of one that's not only bad, but already been tried. Only thing I couldn't hide from with a 45db was a Focused Scan. You only need one Basic, and one Complex dampener to dodge Non-Gallente Proto Scans with a 45db, thats two slots, 0 PG, and a low number of CPU. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 298	Posted - 2014.04.25 13:37:00 - [4] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Also, on buffing Assaults, adding equipment slots would be a bad idea. Logis should be the equipment carriers, with occasional Scouts filling the role (most will use the extra slot for a cloak, as intended). Assaults are meant to be adaptable and heavily customisable. Reduce the PG and CPU on Logis slightly, add some HP and remove a couple of module slots from them, then give Assaults extra PG/CPU and modules. Logis get to customise more in the area of equipment while still having some flexibility with modules, and Assaults become what they were always supposed to be according to the lore. Logistic suits don't need any kind of nerf or buff, I feel they're fine as is. An increase to Module slots is a great way to go, but it won't fix the entire class. Changing the bonus of both the Gal and Caldari Assault to something more fitting and less useless is another buff, but it still won't be enough to make Assaults worth picking over Scouts for an Assault role. A slight increase to the base speed of the Minmatar assault, to actually make that small bonus worth having would be a great help. But an increase in equipment slots I feel would bring the Assault in line with the Scouts, Logistics will still be able to use equipment more effectively, and due to their bonuses would be able to fit higher tier equipment. Whereas Assaults will be able to fit equipment to be able to actually effectively 'Assault' a position. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 299	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:04:00 - [5] - Quote Django Quik wrote: What would this do? It would push scouts away from using the ewar gear they're intended for and move them more towards the brick tanking that is complained about almost as much as the cloak (if not more). I'd send you back to the drawing board but you'll just come up with another poorly thought out idea that achieves nothing but aggravate large sections of the playerbase, so instead I'll just send you home and tell you not to come up with any more bright ideas. The Cloak is something that should be left for a Covert Ops class later on, not something that should be given to a Scout class. Scouts should have bonuses to movement, or Scanning, not visually hiding themselves. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 299	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:05:00 - [6] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: im a ***** sentinel dumbass... i cant use a ***** cloak, and i have only lvl 1 commando, which cant fit a cloak Then please stop commenting on my threads if you're a Heavy that has no experience with Scouts or Cloaks. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 299	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:15:00 - [7] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Reads the description of the scout suit... ... ... nope, think you got the intention of the scout suit a little wrong there. You mean, you actually take those descriptions literally? Woah, I had my doubts, and I had hope, but it turns out this community is actually full of twats. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 299	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:20:00 - [8] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: also, my only other comment was a polite request for you to stop posting these threads as they are wildly unpopular and annnoying on the forums Opinions against a FOTM are always going to be unpopular. And I was just doing the same thing pal, comments like yours are unhelpful, stupid, and incredibly annoying to anyone who wants to discuss these things. Tell the community that HAVs are OP and nobody bats an eye, tell the community that Scouts are OP and everyone loses their minds. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 299	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:22:00 - [9] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Oh, do you have a better source what the suits are intended for? Please share with everyone. No, but I can at least try help bring ideas together with balancing the suits instead of being a smartass. But anyone who takes those descriptions literally is a joke, they're there for lore purposes, and not balancing. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 299	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:33:00 - [10] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: And you seem to be the expert in all ?! No, I never said that, but thanks. I do have experience with Scouts and Cloaks though, both on the recieving end, and the one using them. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'

Ridire Greine 299	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:35:00 - [11] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: nice job editing out the part where he tells me to stop defending my crutch. i said that in response to what he said, and i have played with cloaks before on my friends proto scout, i capped during the accelerated sp event for him cuz he was out of town. i never said i had no experience, i just said i dont use them. plus, half the players im playing against are using a cloak, so thats a bit more experience. I done that to stop the thread being full of pointless quotes, if you read through all the posts in which I have quoted someone, you can clearly see that I have done it in almost every single one. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 299	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:41:00 - [12] - Quote Why do I even bother with GD anymore. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'

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