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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:34:00 -
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Cyrus Militani wrote:A good logi can mean the difference between victory and defeat. They are best used in corridors where they can take cover and still rep units in-front of him. Maps that are out in the open, not so much. On an open map there is more engage, retreat, engage, retreat, etc. As a rep logi I have the most difficulty on open maps because of tanks.
I find that if there's a bit of cover, or the distance great enough, I can still play an active roll repping in an open map. I just have to keep moving. But with said,i'm not nearly as effective as I am on a map with cover around.
The problem I have encountered is heavies that forget they are a heavy suit. In a match earlier this week, i was logi broing a heavy as we ran along the thin side of the small bridge (not the bridge map, but the small bridge that goes across the road in the map that is from 1.3 or earlier). I was using him as my cover and repping him likely crazy as he mowed down 2 medium and light suit guys. He came up against a heavy that had no logi bro repping him and rather than sit and take the damage, he tried to strafe around the heavy, leaving me exposed. The other heavy was smart enough to immediately mow me down.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:45:00 -
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Medical Crash wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Cyrus Militani wrote:A good logi can mean the difference between victory and defeat. They are best used in corridors where they can take cover and still rep units in-front of him. Maps that are out in the open, not so much. On an open map there is more engage, retreat, engage, retreat, etc. As a rep logi I have the most difficulty on open maps because of tanks. I find that if there's a bit of cover, or the distance great enough, I can still play an active roll repping in an open map. I just have to keep moving. But with said,i'm not nearly as effective as I am on a map with cover around. The problem I have encountered is heavies that forget they are a heavy suit. In a match earlier this week, i was logi broing a heavy as we ran along the thin side of the small bridge (not the bridge map, but the small bridge that goes across the road in the map that is from 1.3 or earlier). I was using him as my cover and repping him likely crazy as he mowed down 2 medium and light suit guys. He came up against a heavy that had no logi bro repping him and rather than sit and take the damage, he tried to strafe around the heavy, leaving me exposed. The other heavy was smart enough to immediately mow me down. Try to stay a way from idiots. That heavy you were repping was a moron, he needs to always have you in mind. Logi in the open? No no no no no.
In hindsight, I should have just jumped off the bridge. the other heavy was smart: as soon as I was open, he immediately mowed me down at point blank range.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:56:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps.
when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:57:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps. when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat. It's a balance, the best logis out there know how to do it. If I was to offer advice to any logi out there it would be to not fall into the trap of thinking KDR doesn't matter. Dying a lot doesn't make you a good logi.
To be honest, I don't think I've found that balance yet. up until recently, my kdr on matches was usually positive, but rarely good. I at least need to improve my gun game, situational awareness, and tactics. I mainly run solo, so I imagine the last one would be easier to improve if I started running in squads more. Probably the best way to improve my gun game is to play a non-logi role for a while. |
Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:59:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps. when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat. It's a balance, the best logis out there know how to do it. If I was to offer advice to any logi out there it would be to not fall into the trap of thinking KDR doesn't matter. Dying a lot doesn't make you a good logi. Exactly, here's my general SOP. I'm not claiming to be one of the best but my ALT is no slouch. If the Sentinel is using cover for pop-out attacks or running point with numerous damage zones the endless repping is definitely best. If the area is semi open I prefer my weapon out for combined DPS and save the Rep Tool for health topping. To muddy the waters some the Mass Driver can be out almost all the time since bank-shots can add outgoing DPS or clear hostile deployed Equipment. There are many blue-dots who owe their lives to my Combat Engineer who cleared REs or broke a red-dot's Rep Hive position.
I've been thinking about running with an MD on my logi. I've always done AR on my logi and recently went to CR since I'm also speced into the min commando for AV and AoD.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:22:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:I've been thinking about running with an MD on my logi. I've always done AR on my logi and recently went to CR since I'm also speced into the min commando for AV and AoD. Up until two days ago the Mass Driver was the only weapon the Combat Engineer. With nearly perfect fitting skills it still doesn't work on the 'Sever' Logi frame so I finally caved and trained SMG. However an Assault Mass Driver is on all the Advanced M/1-Series. If you can roll with a tight squad/team it is a fun weapon. Solo play is pretty reckless or an adventure if you want to put a positive spin on it. Going Combat Rifle was smart. Especially if you are serious about clearing an area before needling someone. There is an A.R.C Thread all Commandos should check out.
Yeah, it seems like the perfect weapon to go a fully support roll. AoD, kill in cover (your team puts them there, you make sure they don't come out again), render clones unrevivable, wipe out equipment in positions, soften enemies: all support functions when running with a squad. The only problem is that it can be useless when attacking a raised position.
I don't find it a good weapon to run solo unless I am doing hit and run AoD or as a complement to a CR on my min commando fit. I also have to get better at aiming. I have only used it significantly over the commando event, so my aim is still not that good.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:37:00 -
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thanks for posting this.
Regarding this:
"This is your call, make it fast. If the area is free of reds go for it. If the area is still hot you may have some killing to do. Rezzing under fire is a rookie mistake that most players will get really annoyed by. A special case here would be if you have a proto needle and are rezzing a heavy. Getting the fat man back on his feet at 80% armor can be a real **** you to the bad guys."
When a good portion of my team is engaging from cover (jumping from one or both sides of cover to take shots, until eHP is low and then jumping back in cover), if the situation fits, I just sit behind cover and rep. I only jump out to take shots when there is a lull in the repping. I also frequently revive during the fight in this situation because I can usually get them back into cover before they take too much damage.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
109
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:47:00 -
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Here's a question for everyone: whether to shield AND armor tank your min logi. The shield tank to me is very obvious, but I personally still tank my armor a bit. On an adv suit, I run one enhanced plate, one basic plate, and 1 complex armor rep. (Once I get some of my equipment up to level 5, I might drop the enhanced plate to a second basic to give me more PG). I find my speed suffers a bit, but I can still run faster than most of the medium and heavy suits because lots of people use plates. I find the extra eHP and having two types of tanking to counter weapons designed for taking down shields or armor (MD, LR, SCR, etc) is useful since I frequently become the target when I am repping a heavy. |
Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:50:00 -
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Nosid Katona wrote:I'm sad to say I used to find them far more useful; however the logi role has devolved into either spam equipment everywhere before switching to a slayer fit or attach yourself to a heavy and hold onto the leash for dear life.
I'm an Assaul player, GalAss to be exact, and I'm at the bottom of the list of priorities when it comes to supporting. I have to build my suits to be self sufficient, High amoro repair rate, carry my own nanohives, put on a dampener or scanner when needed, etc. the only time a logi notices me is when the heavy is dead or we don't have one, scouts don't need ammo, and they dont have acces to a supply depo. They go "Oh you have armor! Stand infront of me and soak up bullets while I rep you."
Remember Assault players Logis, we need support too. :(
I try to rep everyone, even gal scouts. I am more likely to rep an amar heavy first, but hey, they probably have way more armor than you do and can soak damage if we get ambushed while I am repping other people.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:53:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Maybe if they actually repped me rather than leaving me with half health after reviving me I would respect them more.
Yeah, that's bad form. Admittedly, there are times where I revive and don't rep right away. One is when there are 2-3 dead clones in close proximity to each other and I think it is safe to revive them all. I then get to repping afterwards.
That lets everyone's shields come back sooner and avoids someones clone perma-dying before I get to reviving them. Sometimes people run way while they wait so i can't rep them. |
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