DUST Search - A Serious Thought Regarding Ambush

keno trader wrote:

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

If milkman is stomping you with his tanks it isn't because tanks are unbalanced in ambush - it's because he's got a lot of SP so his fittings are good, he's reasonably experienced as a tanker (although he's not that good) and he's got a full proto squad backing him up.

If he were sniping, and you couldn't counters nope him because his team killed you first would you QQ?

Most complaints about tanks in ambush these days are from people who don't want to do anything about it. FG is fixed now, go use it.

I repeat: it takes no more than two people ever to kill two ambush tanks: synched breach forge guns will ruin anything. (Yes, STD).

Finally, the issues with milkman's tank are far deeper than simply Ambush, and it's naive and dishonest to think that removing vehicles from ambush fixes anything at all; the reason you're having issues killing him? Armour repairers. That's it. Goes for every game type.

In the end, I've invested 10 of my 40M into vehicles of varying types. If you remove them from ambush I want my SP back. You want to prevent people from playing game modes (and yes, plenty of people are pure tankers)? Give us back out SP, so we can make an informed choice.

Apart from the fact that you sound like a complete apologist for tanks simply because you're enjoying breaking the game at this point with your "10 million SP" of sheer brokeness,

You must understand that ambush is not a vehicle game. If you wanted dynamic tanking and not a complete stomp 90% of the time, go to Domination or one of the other game modes. The fact is, most tankers in ambush enjoy it because they know:

a) Ambush is a concentrated gametype with infantry fighting (hence they'll have an easier time picking off the enemy team while getting support from close friendlies.
b) Many blueberries to easily destroy in Ambush.

It is in my honest opinion that the tankers in Ambush are plain lazy. They are enjoying being overpowered, and don't want to invest time into properly playing the vehicle in a more appropriate gametype.

I never said this was a permanent measure (if you even read my post, which I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU DID), but should be temporarily put in place to alleviate the blueberry tank stomping. Or perhaps you don't care about the longevity of this game.


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Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2939	Posted - 2014.04.25 05:08:00 - [1] - Quote If milkman is stomping you with his tanks it isn't because tanks are unbalanced in ambush - it's because he's got a lot of SP so his fittings are good, he's reasonably experienced as a tanker (although he's not that good) and he's got a full proto squad backing him up. If he were sniping, and you couldn't counters nope him because his team killed you first would you QQ? Most complaints about tanks in ambush these days are from people who don't want to do anything about it. FG is fixed now, go use it. I repeat: it takes no more than two people ever to kill two ambush tanks: synched breach forge guns will ruin anything. (Yes, STD). Finally, the issues with milkman's tank are far deeper than simply Ambush, and it's naive and dishonest to think that removing vehicles from ambush fixes anything at all; the reason you're having issues killing him? Armour repairers. That's it. Goes for every game type. In the end, I've invested 10 of my 40M into vehicles of varying types. If you remove them from ambush I want my SP back. You want to prevent people from playing game modes (and yes, plenty of people are pure tankers)? Give us back out SP, so we can make an informed choice. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2960	Posted - 2014.04.26 06:53:00 - [2] - Quote keno trader wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: If milkman is stomping you with his tanks it isn't because tanks are unbalanced in ambush - it's because he's got a lot of SP so his fittings are good, he's reasonably experienced as a tanker (although he's not that good) and he's got a full proto squad backing him up. If he were sniping, and you couldn't counters nope him because his team killed you first would you QQ? Most complaints about tanks in ambush these days are from people who don't want to do anything about it. FG is fixed now, go use it. I repeat: it takes no more than two people ever to kill two ambush tanks: synched breach forge guns will ruin anything. (Yes, STD). Finally, the issues with milkman's tank are far deeper than simply Ambush, and it's naive and dishonest to think that removing vehicles from ambush fixes anything at all; the reason you're having issues killing him? Armour repairers. That's it. Goes for every game type. In the end, I've invested 10 of my 40M into vehicles of varying types. If you remove them from ambush I want my SP back. You want to prevent people from playing game modes (and yes, plenty of people are pure tankers)? Give us back out SP, so we can make an informed choice. Apart from the fact that you sound like a complete apologist for tanks simply because you're enjoying breaking the game at this point with your "10 million SP" of sheer brokeness, You must understand that ambush is not a vehicle game. If you wanted dynamic tanking and not a complete stomp 90% of the time, go to Domination or one of the other game modes. The fact is, most tankers in ambush enjoy it because they know: a) Ambush is a concentrated gametype with infantry fighting (hence they'll have an easier time picking off the enemy team while getting support from close friendlies. b) Many blueberries to easily destroy in Ambush. It is in my honest opinion that the tankers in Ambush are plain lazy. They are enjoying being overpowered, and don't want to invest time into properly playing the vehicle in a more appropriate gametype. I never said this was a permanent measure (if you even read my post, which I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU DID), but should be temporarily put in place to alleviate the blueberry tank stomping. Or perhaps you don't care about the longevity of this game. Tanks have always been in ambush, no matter how OP AV was at the time. Bad argument is bad. I play Ambush with whatever I want because I can. I play ambush because I'm trying to earn money, or there are idiots to shoot there. I go into ambush because I feel like CQC tank action - despite what you seem to think, tanks don't actually just drive past each other in Ambush. The only tank gameplay I'm looking for is vs other tanks and ambush is actually a great way to find it. So do you know what I could do with your OP? I could replace every single usage of the word 'tank' with 'proto suit', and it'd be exactly the same argument. It would actually be a better argument. So you say 'it's a temporary measure'. You know what else was a temporary measure? Our Active SP system, so I'm sorry, that holds zero water with me. I have no trust of CCP to restore things they've removed. Not do I have any trust of this player base. People were complaining about logis turning the game into a slideshow with equipment spam a little while ago; would your idea of a fix have been 'no equipment in matches with Supply Depots'? Because it seems that way. If you are preventing me from accessing significant proportions of my investment for any period of time, I want that investment refunded. Is that clearer? And finally 'perhaps you don't care about the longevity of this game'? Idiotic comment is idiotic. As a person who has invested hundreds if not thousands of hours into this game over the course of the last year, I think it's a pretty safe bet that I want this game to succeed. Banning tanks from ambush, especially in their current, quite balanced state means little more than that you're too lazy to do something about them. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2960	Posted - 2014.04.26 06:55:00 - [3] - Quote keno trader wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so theres a problem if the enemy team has a highly skilled tanker witha madrugar/blaster and iam on yorus with my FULLY SKILLED BLASTER/MISSILE TANKS and kill the opposing vehicles. is there a problem? Yes. This logic pretty much falls through when we have blueberries bringing in Somas or no tankers at all. So bring AV. I have no issues soloing tanks, which is another way of saying that if you and a friend can't kill a tank together you're doing it wrong. And if two people can kill one tank, then two people can kill two tanks. Then the bloke in the Soma can continue to do his job and ruin all the red berries. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.