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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
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Posted - 2014.04.23 20:58:00 -
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The issue though is you have moved from "people have BPO's that don't run out" to "people have BPO's that don't run out AND can make money off of them." That seems like a bigger possible issue rather than "My Dren Basic Assault Suit doesn't run out" when you can keep your BPO, use it, and still make cash off of it. If they kept it as you can buy and sell BPO's, then you at least have some kind of investment up front to save money later.
If a Raven Assault sells for 10 million, that means someone has to die 3,334 times with the Raven to make up for the upfront cost (assuming Basic Assault suits go for 3,000). Sure, afterwards they are 'free' but that is a hell of a lot of investment. Say someone plays Ambush, dies 10 times per match, and makes 150,000. By the time he is saving money, he has made 50.1 million isk anyway. Drop the number to, say, 3 deaths per match and it becomes 1,111 games. The guy makes 166.6 million. Basically, the investment cost compared to what you save becomes quite negligible.
With the H1Z1 idea, the Raven guy is now running his Raven suit and able to sell out BPC's. How much is a Basic Caldari suit? Say it starts at 3,000 per suit. Well, I will sell you 10 'Raven' copies for 20 grand (2,000 per suit). Okay, we have a bidding war. Let's say that the material price of the Basic Caldari Suit is 1,100; it costs 1,100 in materials in order to make a single suit. The Builders cannot go below 1,100 and still make any profit. I could sell my 'Raven' copies for 100 isk apiece because it is pure profit.
You end up pushing everyone away from buying actual EVE goods. Why would they make Assault Rifles, Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols, SMG's, Caldari Assaults, Minmatar Logistics, Amarr Sentinels, or Gallente Scouts if the BPC's are going to be sold under Material Cost? They will be sold under Material Cost because it costs me nothing and I can make a quick profit off of it all while still using it.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:55:00 -
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The problem is that when you try to make a DUST BPO act like an EVE BPO you come into a huge problem. EVE BPO's let you use materials in order to make the item with the BPO never running out. A Blueprint Copy can be made from a BPO and while they run out they can be improved to have better efficiency. Just explaining to those that may not know how EVE works.
DUST BPO's are just infinite versions of something. They have no analogy to EVE at all. There are basically only a few ways by which CCP can go with BPO's.
1. They become EVE BPO's. This would be a seriously ill conceived idea. "I bought the hundred dollar Dren pack so I could get an LAV and an Assault, Logistics, Scout, and Sentinel that never ran out. Now that you have my money, you are changing my purchase? That is like Walmart breaking into my home and taking back my TV and replacing it with a different TV. These items are completely useless for me as I do not play EVE. Because of this change, now I do not play DUST."
2. They stay as they are. This does some minor damage to the economy because certain items become less desirable to make. "I am an EVE manufacturer. I can make any Dropsuit. I have less reasons to make Basic Caldari Assault, Minmatar Logistics, Amarr Sentinel, or a Gallente Scout because so many people have infinite versions of those. There is no point in making Basic Assault Rifles because everyone has an Exile." If they can be sold, you have people making a lot of money early from selling them. I have several copies of different blueprints. If I can sell them, I will.
3. They stay are they are and are bound to account. Same issue as above but know I am unhappy. "I bought a Sever Logistics suit because it was the only Logistics suit originally and I only needed to spend like 50k SP to use it. Now I need to get Minmatar Medium Frame to 3 and then Minmatar Logistics to 1. I am Caldari and have zero use of it now. You might as well delete it from my account."
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:42:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote: So...Err...The way I'm reading it, we're screw'd no matter what?
Pessimistically, yes. Optimistically, the damage will not be as bad as it sounds.
Take the Raven example from my first post. If it sells for 10 million and a Basic Caldari Assault goes for 3,000 you are looking at a huge investment to get any kind of return. If you don't intend to die 3,334 times with the Basic Caldari Assault suit, you have no monetary reason to want the BPO other than "look at my bad ass white suit!" To the people that do that it has nothing to do with saving money.
So you are Mr. EVE-Builder. You are making all kinds of suits. Because of the Raven, you may sell less Caldari Suits but I doubt it is going to be hugely substantial. You still will happily sell Advanced and Prototype suits. Fewer people may buy your Caldari Suit but not everyone is going to want to buy the huge investment for a BPO Assault. Because of this, you have a market for your goods.
Let's say BPO's trade hands. Like I said, I have no reason to hold onto an Exile and Dren BPO, my Sever Logistics suit, or all of my Dragonfly suits. This makes a market for them. I sell one of them for X million. I use that X million to buy other things from you, Mr. EVE-Builder, where that pushes the market in a different direction.
Damage will be done but it is likely that the damage will not be that big of a deal. Scenario 1 will anger many, many customers to the point that CCP will never see a dime from them again (I am one of them); it is anti-consumer. Scenario 2 will have changes in the market but have a secondary market for buying and selling them. Scenario 3 will have changes in the market with no secondary market.
The biggest risk to CCP in regards to BPO's is themselves; how they go about this 'issue' will either scar them permanently or basically have them saying "We wish we never did this in the first place but we can't do anything about it now."
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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