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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:38:00 -
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I think everyone who ask for nerfs on suits that are not there own. people have been doing this since the beginning of the game and yet CCP gives no reallocation to the players that these nerfs effect and thus they have to deal with assigned sp to these now nerfed suit/gear/weps.
Im not playing this game with you people and I dont think CCP should either.Because what is happening is people are quitting this game because of the back and forth nerfs. Like the new people which is leading to our low player base.
CCP I 'd also like to add that IT IS time in DUST lifespan and the SP of most of the vets in the community dictates that they should be skilling more than one suit.These post about this suit and that only caters to people in one role/suit and that is not what this game is about. In EVE I have different racial ships and types unlocked and each does a different task as it should.
The heavy frame is the brawler you and I know this.I have no problem killing heavies in the open or in closed objectives with my team. Combining fire on them. Throwing flux Gnades thru windows to take down hives. I see them get wrecked by tanks all the time crossing any open terrain. Even with the explosive resistance I still take them down by pelting them with mass rounds. They fly thru the air from forge gun rounds shot directly at them.
People need to skill all the suits in there race. The time for asking for nerfs to frames is over. The players with more sp are skilling multiple suits and using the suits as intended during battle. Switching from one to the other based on what is needed and what roles need to be fufilled that is the role of the vet player. To be the best vet all around in any suit and some people can not wrap there minds around that.They want a one size fits all suit. What would be the point of EVE is one ship did everything? Mined,could haul 1m m3, could tank, had the fastest cruise speed, the fastest warp speed,could dps, carried all wep...etc,etc.
Thats simply not the case and it shouldn't be. There should not be a uniform one size fits all suit for every occasion. People need to start realizing the checks and balance situation that this game is intended to be.
A solo battle for me on a skirmish map as an example. a veteren over 50 million sp player. 1) call in DS/ fly in/ place uplinks/ recall DS/try to hack nearest objective, succeed or die in process if suceed in the first hack attempt another. 2)if die on fiirst hack respawn back spawn scout suit cloak run/ride to enemy home spawn hack it/ place re's hack surrounding hackable's. Defend enemy home point (tank comes) switch to heavy forge) attempt or succeed to take out tank. If multiples come which happens I eventually die. 3) spawn back on my own uplinks as heavy Hmg attempt to get close to any inside or help assault in assaulting any inside /in city objectives. Get shot by shot guns re'd or orbitald continue until we get them. Defend until ob'd/ die / run out of ammo/have to reload.Enemy AS> DS comes in and proto missles me.Respawn forge chase of AS.Ds or blow it up. 4) blaster tank kills me call in my Missle tank and attempt to chase it /kill it from killing all my team mates.
The time for asking for nerfs and the reason's why people are asking for them should be scrutinized to the 3rd degree The only time we in DUST 514 will need nerfs is when everyone is wearing the same suit or wep / fitting.
I dont know if I speak for anyone else but the time of the rollercoaster bs ....must come to an end. People in FPS/PVP games need to know on a mental level what the roles of there guy/ship can do, in certain situations and this cant be changing from day to day week to week.We need clear definitions and regularity.
These are examples of what a vet should be doing .....trying to win. In lots of different roles.THAT is what a vet is supposed to do ....WIN by using ALL the tools in his arsenal. Not having some broke **** in the closet that doesnt work....
P.S. Alot of things that I may post in the foums may be unpopular due to "clicks" or corporation / alliance or just because I merced you in a match. But its what needs to be said and tough pill to swallow is usually the cure.
Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute
Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
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Nocturnal Soul
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
2968
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:54:00 -
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Most people with a brain tend to not comment on a subject they no nothing of which makes it seem like a majority want something nerfed except the CR that profile damage and lack of delay between burst is OP.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Son Down
SamsClub
97
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:57:00 -
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Plus, there are like....6 people playing this game. Well, 7, including the OP and the guy above me. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
625
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Posted - 2014.04.23 20:58:00 -
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Evicer wrote:I think everyone who ask for nerfs on suits that are not there own. people have been doing this since the beginning of the game and yet CCP gives no reallocation to the players that these nerfs effect and thus they have to deal with assigned sp to these now nerfed suit/gear/weps.
Im not playing this game with you people and I dont think CCP should either.Because what is happening is people are quitting this game because of the back and forth nerfs. Like the new people which is leading to our low player base.
CCP I 'd also like to add that IT IS time in DUST lifespan and the SP of most of the vets in the community dictates that they should be skilling more than one suit.These post about this suit and that only caters to people in one role/suit and that is not what this game is about. In EVE I have different racial ships and types unlocked and each does a different task as it should.
The heavy frame is the brawler you and I know this.I have no problem killing heavies in the open or in closed objectives with my team. Combining fire on them. Throwing flux Gnades thru windows to take down hives. I see them get wrecked by tanks all the time crossing any open terrain. Even with the explosive resistance I still take them down by pelting them with mass rounds. They fly thru the air from forge gun rounds shot directly at them.
People need to skill all the suits in there race. The time for asking for nerfs to frames is over. The players with more sp are skilling multiple suits and using the suits as intended during battle. Switching from one to the other based on what is needed and what roles need to be fufilled that is the role of the vet player. To be the best vet all around in any suit and some people can not wrap there minds around that.They want a one size fits all suit. What would be the point of EVE is one ship did everything? Mined,could haul 1m m3, could tank, had the fastest cruise speed, the fastest warp speed,could dps, carried all wep...etc,etc.
Thats simply not the case and it shouldn't be. There should not be a uniform one size fits all suit for every occasion. People need to start realizing the checks and balance situation that this game is intended to be.
A solo battle for me on a skirmish map as an example. a veteren over 50 million sp player. 1) call in DS/ fly in/ place uplinks/ recall DS/try to hack nearest objective, succeed or die in process if suceed in the first hack attempt another. 2)if die on fiirst hack respawn back spawn scout suit cloak run/ride to enemy home spawn hack it/ place re's hack surrounding hackable's. Defend enemy home point (tank comes) switch to heavy forge) attempt or succeed to take out tank. If multiples come which happens I eventually die. 3) spawn back on my own uplinks as heavy Hmg attempt to get close to any inside or help assault in assaulting any inside /in city objectives. Get shot by shot guns re'd or orbitald continue until we get them. Defend until ob'd/ die / run out of ammo/have to reload.Enemy AS> DS comes in and proto missles me.Respawn forge chase of AS.Ds or blow it up. 4) blaster tank kills me call in my Missle tank and attempt to chase it /kill it from killing all my team mates.
The time for asking for nerfs and the reason's why people are asking for them should be scrutinized to the 3rd degree The only time we in DUST 514 will need nerfs is when everyone is wearing the same suit or wep / fitting.
I dont know if I speak for anyone else but the time of the rollercoaster bs ....must come to an end. People in FPS/PVP games need to know on a mental level what the roles of there guy/ship can do, in certain situations and this cant be changing from day to day week to week.We need clear definitions and regularity.
These are examples of what a vet should be doing .....trying to win. In lots of different roles.THAT is what a vet is supposed to do ....WIN by using ALL the tools in his arsenal. Not having some broke **** in the closet that doesnt work....
P.S. Alot of things that I may post in the foums may be unpopular due to "clicks" or corporation / alliance or just because I merced you in a match. But its what needs to be said and tough pill to swallow is usually the cure. This is some good stuff , they know that they are killing the game and the fun for those who play but they just don't care . Some people get off on ruining things for others and yes .. people who have no knowledge do comment about any and everything , you can tell by their posts . These are the one's that are killing this game if it is dying it's because of them . The community is littered with these people . CCP should scrutinize all input from the community but it seems like the follow the worst of the ideals .
Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
560
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:00:00 -
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At least I now know I am not the only Merc that plays this way.
Agree that the rollercoaster has got to stop some day. Disagree that every post in a he-killed-me-nerf-it Few posts require much attention, those that do are quite good. New players get driven away by stomps, old players leave from the nerf nuke.
EP 1.8: Revenge of the Scouts
Hiding in the redline means: I want to play, just not with you
+25 = I'm helping
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
963
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:14:00 -
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Evicer wrote:I think everyone who ask for nerfs on suits that are not there own. people have been doing this since the beginning of the game and yet CCP gives no reallocation to the players that these nerfs effect and thus they have to deal with assigned sp to these now nerfed suit/gear/weps.
Im not playing this game with you people and I dont think CCP should either.Because what is happening is people are quitting this game because of the back and forth nerfs. Like the new people which is leading to our low player base.
CCP I 'd also like to add that IT IS time in DUST lifespan and the SP of most of the vets in the community dictates that they should be skilling more than one suit.These post about this suit and that only caters to people in one role/suit and that is not what this game is about. In EVE I have different racial ships and types unlocked and each does a different task as it should.
The heavy frame is the brawler you and I know this.I have no problem killing heavies in the open or in closed objectives with my team. Combining fire on them. Throwing flux Gnades thru windows to take down hives. I see them get wrecked by tanks all the time crossing any open terrain. Even with the explosive resistance I still take them down by pelting them with mass rounds. They fly thru the air from forge gun rounds shot directly at them.
People need to skill all the suits in there race. The time for asking for nerfs to frames is over. The players with more sp are skilling multiple suits and using the suits as intended during battle. Switching from one to the other based on what is needed and what roles need to be fufilled that is the role of the vet player. To be the best vet all around in any suit and some people can not wrap there minds around that.They want a one size fits all suit. What would be the point of EVE is one ship did everything? Mined,could haul 1m m3, could tank, had the fastest cruise speed, the fastest warp speed,could dps, carried all wep...etc,etc.
Thats simply not the case and it shouldn't be. There should not be a uniform one size fits all suit for every occasion. People need to start realizing the checks and balance situation that this game is intended to be.
A solo battle for me on a skirmish map as an example. a veteren over 50 million sp player. 1) call in DS/ fly in/ place uplinks/ recall DS/try to hack nearest objective, succeed or die in process if suceed in the first hack attempt another. 2)if die on fiirst hack respawn back spawn scout suit cloak run/ride to enemy home spawn hack it/ place re's hack surrounding hackable's. Defend enemy home point (tank comes) switch to heavy forge) attempt or succeed to take out tank. If multiples come which happens I eventually die. 3) spawn back on my own uplinks as heavy Hmg attempt to get close to any inside or help assault in assaulting any inside /in city objectives. Get shot by shot guns re'd or orbitald continue until we get them. Defend until ob'd/ die / run out of ammo/have to reload.Enemy AS> DS comes in and proto missles me.Respawn forge chase of AS.Ds or blow it up. 4) blaster tank kills me call in my Missle tank and attempt to chase it /kill it from killing all my team mates.
The time for asking for nerfs and the reason's why people are asking for them should be scrutinized to the 3rd degree The only time we in DUST 514 will need nerfs is when everyone is wearing the same suit or wep / fitting.
I dont know if I speak for anyone else but the time of the rollercoaster bs ....must come to an end. People in FPS/PVP games need to know on a mental level what the roles of there guy/ship can do, in certain situations and this cant be changing from day to day week to week.We need clear definitions and regularity.
These are examples of what a vet should be doing .....trying to win. In lots of different roles.THAT is what a vet is supposed to do ....WIN by using ALL the tools in his arsenal. Not having some broke **** in the closet that doesnt work....
P.S. Alot of things that I may post in the foums may be unpopular due to "clicks" or corporation / alliance or just because I merced you in a match. But its what needs to be said and tough pill to swallow is usually the cure. tl;dr
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ChowMaiDong
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:00:00 -
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I thought that was the point of getting xp in fps games is to be the best , most winning all around player. Im new. My firends told me I should be careful with this game.That stuff changes all the time. I hope not. |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
561
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:33:00 -
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ChowMaiDong wrote:I thought that was the point of getting xp in fps games is to be the best , most winning all around player. Im new. My firends told me I should be careful with this game.That stuff changes all the time. I hope not.
Its not that it changes ALL the time, just every patch.
I suppose its hard to settle on one way to play because the community will have it (specifics dont matter here) nerfed next patch.
Find a corp you like and make isk. Welcome to DUST.
EP 1.8: Revenge of the Scouts
Hiding in the redline means: I want to play, just not with you
+25 = I'm helping
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
3033
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:39:00 -
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My first day of 1.8:
Spawns in proto minmatar logi, dies by cloaked shotgun Spawns in proto amarr heavy, dies by cloaked shotgun Spawns in proto amarr commando, dies by cloaked shotgun Spawns in proto minmatar logi, dies by cloaked shotgun Spawns in proto amarr assault, dies by cloaked shotgun *makes scout fit with a cloak* Spawns in basic gallente scout, doesn't die by cloaked shotguns for the remainder of the match and ends up getting the most kills in the match.
Proceeds to make a post on the forums about this, and everyone thinks it's MY fault for being a bad player.
-_-
My minmatar logi is now speed fit/damped and has a cloak I skilled into minmatar sentinel and now eat scouts up with my burst HMG I skilled into bolt pistols for my heavies to give them more range
I had so many playstyles, and having all of them shut down by scouts with shotguns and cloaks was embarrassing. It's not just the suit, it's about changing your PLAYSTYLE to counter the many ways people just abuse the best/easiest fittings in the game.
(42 million sp veteran)
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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4902
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Posted - 2014.04.23 23:30:00 -
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I've played since july 30th, 2012, and I think I still have under 30 million SP
I'm from the weird side of the internet
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ChowMaiDong
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.04.23 23:31:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:My first day of 1.8:
Spawns in proto minmatar logi, dies by cloaked shotgun Spawns in proto amarr heavy, dies by cloaked shotgun Spawns in proto amarr commando, dies by cloaked shotgun Spawns in proto minmatar logi, dies by cloaked shotgun Spawns in proto amarr assault, dies by cloaked shotgun *makes scout fit with a cloak* Spawns in basic gallente scout, doesn't die by cloaked shotguns for the remainder of the match and ends up getting the most kills in the match.
Proceeds to make a post on the forums about this, and everyone thinks it's MY fault for being a bad player.
-_-
My minmatar logi is now speed fit/damped and has a cloak I skilled into minmatar sentinel and now eat scouts up with my burst HMG I skilled into bolt pistols for my heavies to give them more range
I had so many playstyles, and having all of them shut down by scouts with shotguns and cloaks was embarrassing. It's not just the suit, it's about changing your PLAYSTYLE to counter the many ways people just abuse the best/easiest fittings in the game.
(42 million sp veteran) guess maybe I should skill scout shotgun I guess but then I dont know if they'll nerf that too.I think thats what the Op means .Its hard to say what to do to anyone new to the game or even vets
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
312
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Posted - 2014.04.23 23:45:00 -
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No, new players leave after they get protostomped by vets with more ISK than they know what to do with that just want to stroke their e-peens.
The majority of them don't give a **** about the nerf/buffs because they don't have enough SP to really take advantage of the items being nerfed/buffed.
Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor
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Do you even lift?
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
480
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Posted - 2014.04.24 00:01:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:No, new players leave after they get protostomped by vets with more ISK than they know what to do with that just want to stroke their e-peens.
The majority of them don't give a **** about the nerf/buffs because they don't have enough SP to really take advantage of the items being nerfed/buffed.
Its not about the gear it never has been .Its about the fact they have 6 guys, and those 6 guys can get out tanks dropships logi, assault have prof.5 in there weps and have more sp into dropsuit upgrades than the 16 other guys . The 16 other guys are 1. Not on comms together and 2 do not have the utility of players that have that much sp as they can do equip and use more things to get it done.
I only care about the game becoming vanilla. If a new player joins a corp and is good at his primary role he has aplace within that corp if you nerf nuke him he no longer has a place and that player gets sidelined. that can keep that player from playing the game which in turn makes them quit as mid level players.
Vets like me have seen this happen over and over again through out the games life span and we have adapted. What i am saying is after that is done so many times vets become good with even there non specialized roles through adaptation and haveing to deal with the changes.
My point is ....what is the point of the game if you aquire this much sp as I have and have 4 suits and one of them is garbage.What in fact is the point of sp acumulation if it is not for you to unlock 1 of every frame in the game regaurdless of race and have vehicle skills making you and your character the best merc he can be in any given situation..............
if one or 2 or 3 of your suits arent even going to do the roles they were intended to do. Whats the point of the game? Whtas the point of the grind?
Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute
Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
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Rusty Shallows
1640
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Posted - 2014.04.24 00:05:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:My first day of 1.8:
snip (New Movie: Revenge of the Shotguns)
Proceeds to make a post on the forums about this, and everyone thinks it's MY fault for being a bad player.
-_-
snip if I recall that post correctly didn't you have the misfortune of running into an organized squad of them right away?
I wouldn't feel too bad. Early reports claimed the shooting while cloaked was really a client illusion and not happening. We now know the truth that it is a programming bug.
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Rusty Shallows
1640
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Posted - 2014.04.24 01:08:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've played since july 30th, 2012, and I think I still have under 30 million SP I started about two weeks late into that special pre-Open Beta month and my Mains total is only 33 mil. Kids with boosters pass me all the time.
There's something really nice about being past the 20 mil hump.
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
319
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Posted - 2014.04.24 01:14:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've played since july 30th, 2012, and I think I still have under 30 million SP I started about two weeks late into that special pre-Open Beta month and my Mains total is only 33 mil. Kids with boosters pass me all the time. There's something really nice about being past the 20 mil hump.
Yeah I'm at about 11.4M right now...another 8.6M SP will get me right about where I want to be to have my primary fit maxed out and my modules/equipment where I want them.
eng 4/5 elec 4/5 core upgrades 4/5 suit 3/5
Getting all those to 5/5 will be about 3.8M right there. Bleh.
Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor
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Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
597
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Posted - 2014.04.24 01:27:00 -
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Main thing i don';t understand is the recent buff of lasers. they really didn't need it and now they're just gettign over used again on the heavies. reason they were'nt being used was simply everyone used the ScR instead. it was still effective ont he right suit (amarr assault) now its back to oldstyle where its OP on every suit. me n few squad/corp mates discussed about alterign the Amarr assault/Commando bonus and laser heat ups. basically double the heat build up and double the skill bonus on amarr assault/change commando bonus so that just as in EVE lasers are effectivly forced onto Amarr ships. leave ScR as they are but have the laser rifle more focused to the assault or commando
Rolling with the punches
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
481
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Posted - 2014.04.24 01:39:00 -
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The laser is fine, skill it. you cant use it on any suit. go discuss this in another thread.
The laser was second weapon to be put in the game. You are deluding your self . CCp has all the info they need and the fact remains its a rifle and less than a hundred people died from lasers from 1.0 Uprising to 1.8. I bet more died from melee than the laser rifle in that year and a half than by the laser.
Please discuss this in another thread.
This thread is not about lasers
Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute
Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
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SPACE SYPHILIS
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2014.04.24 01:44:00 -
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47+ Million. Almost to 50, but alas I am no where near as I am afar. To answer yes, things need to be balanced. Tweak the item up our down by 5-10% then wait for responses from the user and the community and go from there. Nerfing needs to end, it is only killing the game and not allowing it to grow. I am against a I win button, but I am for balance and fair play. |
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