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Yan Darn Science For Death 638	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:41:00 - [1] - Quote TL;DR: I'm a scout who wants cloaks removed - mainly because I don't trust you QQers or CCPs...'interesting' take on balancing. Disclaimer: been playing since before 1.3 at least - only ever specced Gal scout. I believe once upon a time CCP removed active scanners and reintroduced them when 'fixed' (lulz I know, but bare with me here)...please just remove cloaks. Create a covert ops frame at some point and give that frame a really limiting role bonus instead. Replace our bonus to something useful to scouts. You see every role has their 'thing' IMO. Assaults = weapons = bonus to weapon fitting. Logistics = equipment = bonus to equipment fitting. Sentinels = Tank = bonus to Splash damage (aka heavy weapons and explosives). Scouts = stealth/mobility = bonus to electronics and biotics mods? However - you (CCP) kinda decided our 'thing' should be something you hadn't really invented or tested yet. Cloaks. I get the distinct impression you were more concerned about introducing something new and flashy, than actually balancing scouts. When you realised you weren't technically proficient enough to allow us our speed, I think you floundered - patch after patch - trying to figure out what to do with us. However, most people don't play light frames - so it's understandable that our plight wasn't a highest concern. For me gettin cloaking devices from CCP is like having an absentee parent, who one day turns around, starts pretending like they care, does some nice things - but then gives you this god-awful tacky gold chain and kinda forcefully insists you wear the damn thing everywhere you go. I think you love this gift more than we do (feel free to let me know if I'm wrong). It doesn't matter if we get beat up or made fun of - you won't accept that your horrible gift is the problem and you will start making other changes in complete denial that if you just took this horrible gift away and give us something more sensible, things would turn around fast. I don't think cloaks are OP. I think they are glitchy and inherently difficult to balance. CCP can't/won't fix those glitches effectively. I think CCP will pass them off as 'features'. I think CCP will nerf all those things I liked about scouts to accommodate these 'Cloak features'. Maybe I'm wrong - but many scouts before 1.8 were not asking for cloaks as our saviour. We generally enjoyed the basic premise of 'scout' - it just wasn't particularly competitive, and other frames could do what it could do but better/less penalties (sound familiar?). Maybe I'm just another hipster scout who just hates seeing us become more popular...I dunno. I'm just still waiting for CCP to comment on this flood of QQ we've had so naturally I'm assuming the worst. I'm a CCP fanboy at heart - but even they have to admit, they got some issues... The Ghost of Bravo
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1212	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:45:00 - [2] - Quote Being a scout is too easy, wasted so much tie on just so everyone can do it. Keep the cloaks, I'm just rarely going to use them. It freaking sucks. I miss when it was hard. Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all. SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60 1mil SP and counting
Nocturnal Soul Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 2965	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:50:00 - [3] - Quote No one is forcing you to use it I'm pretty sure you can find something else to use with that 300 CPU and 80-90 PG. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2104	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:53:00 - [4] - Quote shrug regardless of how I feel about them, they're here to stay. CCP spent too much development time on them to get rid of them now, they're going to stay the course. In a few patches, new-ness of cloaks will wear off. You might as well just get used to wearing that gaudy gold chain, or be like TranquilBiscuitOfValor and go find a new hard mode thing. I don't really see the point of a thread like this other than being a venue for hipsters to beat their hipster chests. yawn Nerdier than thou
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 358	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:56:00 - [5] - Quote I enjoy the cloak, and I've been wanting something like it since I first started getting into scouts during late Chrome. Granted, it could use adjustments to make it more balanced, but it's a fun thing to play with and something that allowed the scouts to push beyond the limitations made by the lack of cover on most maps. Yea, I miss when scouts weren't FoTM, but eh, the enjoyment I've gotten out of the new toys has made up for that, especially considering that I was expecting just to get the cloak and nothing else, no CPU bonus or things like that. Was even ready with a fitting before I realized the massive buffs scouts were getting. I don't think it should be removed, cloaks are interesting and they add a few new elements of play. I definitely think they could use tweaking though to make them harder to use, as well as adjustments to the shimmer. If I'm crouch walking, why do I have the same shimmer as when I'm at a full sprint? It's silly that there are only two levels of visual variation on them, but eh, small complaint. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 246	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:59:00 - [6] - Quote Scout with cloak is easy because you have a community full of scrubs.You can bend over to the qqers but nothing will change.They will qq about anything that beats them. Lets see mass drivers are op qqqqqqqqqq then AA and mass driver are fine.It was op because the qqer couldn't shoot until AA.Logi are op, scouts are op, tanks are op....etc..Look I just went (insert number-0) with (insert item) so its op. Skill> majority of dust community
Yan Darn Science For Death 639	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:59:00 - [7] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: No one is forcing you to use it I'm pretty sure you can find something else to use with that 300 CPU and 80-90 PG. I don't think I was clear about this. Look at our role bonus. Look at every other role bonus. Im suggesting a broader more useful bonus to scouts. How does me not using cloaks achieve that exactly? I'm not saying I hate cloaks. I like cloaks - great for moving across open space, getting into flanking position etc. The only issues I have with cloaks are things that are generally accepted as glitches. If we can fix cloaks without nerfing scouts - fine +1 to CCP. If it comes to nerfing scouts so we can keep cloaks - then No, Bad CCP, Bad. Imma being paranoid? Probably. If someone wants to tell me CCP doesn't ever drop a massive nerf hammer on things that there is QQ about - well you can - I just won't believe you. Edit: @ Awry - please see above. The Ghost of Bravo
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2105	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:08:00 - [8] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: No one is forcing you to use it I'm pretty sure you can find something else to use with that 300 CPU and 80-90 PG. I don't think I was clear about this. Look at our role bonus. Look at every other role bonus. Im suggesting a broader more useful bonus to scouts. How does me not using cloaks achieve that exactly? I'm not saying I hate cloaks. I like cloaks - great for moving across open space, getting into flanking position etc. The only issues I have with cloaks are things that are generally accepted as glitches. If we can fix cloaks without nerfing scouts - fine +1 to CCP. If it comes to nerfing scouts so we can keep cloaks - then No, Bad CCP, Bad. Imma being paranoid? Probably. If someone wants to tell me CCP doesn't ever drop a massive nerf hammer on things that there is QQ about - well you can - I just won't believe you. Edit: @ Awry - please see above. Ah, I see. Yeah, I share that paranoia. I would argue that you can view addition of the second equipment slot, and the associated fitting stat buff, as a non-cloak-reliant role bonus, for dropping uplinks and controlling the battlefield, but I see your point. The issue is, if you change the scout role bonus, how do you make cloaks only really useful to scouts, since removing them entirely is not on the table? Nerdier than thou
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1738	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:33:00 - [9] - Quote Never wanted cloaks. Never needed cloaks.... What I did want was a useful bonus to scout suits and some minor tweaks. Now I get a stupid bonus that shoe-horns me into using a piece of EQ that I was never interested in. Awesome. The CPU/PG, extra slots... totally hosed balance along with the cloak. There were so many good balancing ideas posted by scouts.... Of course they were ignored. Awesome. Double posting like a Kaiser.
Appia Nappia 604	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:42:00 - [10] - Quote . . . You realize that without the cloak bonus to scouts you base profile would still be 45, right? They made the old lvl 5 bonus to scouts innate. If you want to take away the cloak then return the base to what it was and only let Gallente have the dampening bonus Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.

Nocturnal Soul Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 2968	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:51:00 - [11] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: No one is forcing you to use it I'm pretty sure you can find something else to use with that 300 CPU and 80-90 PG. I don't think I was clear about this. Look at our role bonus. Look at every other role bonus. Im suggesting a broader more useful bonus to scouts. How does me not using cloaks achieve that exactly? I'm not saying I hate cloaks. I like cloaks - great for moving across open space, getting into flanking position etc. The only issues I have with cloaks are things that are generally accepted as glitches. If we can fix cloaks without nerfing scouts - fine +1 to CCP. If it comes to nerfing scouts so we can keep cloaks - then No, Bad CCP, Bad. Imma being paranoid? Probably. If someone wants to tell me CCP doesn't ever drop a massive nerf hammer on things that there is QQ about - well you can - I just won't believe you. Edit: @ Awry - please see above. The please scrap that first post & replace it with this one because it just sounded like you were just whining to whine. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 248	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:49:00 - [12] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Never wanted cloaks. Never needed cloaks.... What I did want was a useful bonus to scout suits and some minor tweaks. Now I get a stupid bonus that shoe-horns me into using a piece of EQ that I was never interested in. Awesome. The CPU/PG, extra slots... totally hosed balance along with the cloak. There were so many good balancing ideas posted by scouts.... Of course they were ignored. Awesome. Please stop the only people worse than the qqers are the ones who think there elite if they dont use something . Cloak was planned for scouts and I been waiting since beta.The only reason I stuck with that suit up until 1.6.So save the cloak hate from a scout nonsense for heavies without heavy weapons, assaults without ar, lavs without drivers, pilots without dropships.If your scout who dosen't want to use cloak your choice but it dosen't make you a grade A scout.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1742	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:53:00 - [13] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: Never wanted cloaks. Never needed cloaks.... What I did want was a useful bonus to scout suits and some minor tweaks. Now I get a stupid bonus that shoe-horns me into using a piece of EQ that I was never interested in. Awesome. The CPU/PG, extra slots... totally hosed balance along with the cloak. There were so many good balancing ideas posted by scouts.... Of course they were ignored. Awesome. Please stop the only people worse than the qqers are the ones who think there elite if they dont use something . Cloak was planned for scouts and I been waiting since beta.The only reason I stuck with that suit up until 1.6.So save the cloak hate from a scout nonsense for heavies without heavy weapons, assaults without ar, lavs without drivers, pilots without dropships.If your scout who dosen't want to use cloak your choice but it dosen't make you a grade A scout. You totally misunderstand. I never said I was a Grade-A scout. I'm not that great, actually. And I don't have cloak hate. I have cloak disinterest. I'm annoyed that I have a role bonus to a single piece of equipment. It's lame. It just happens to be a piece of EQ you like and I don't. Imagine if the it was a piece of EQ I liked and you didn't. Double posting like a Kaiser.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1141	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:57:00 - [14] - Quote I kind of understand where you are coming from, but I think fear is a poor motivation for doing this. If this game is going to survive long term, we can't make concessions based on CCPs history of overly nerfing things that are sometimes only tangentially related to the real problems (in this case CCP nerfing scouts because of changes that need to be made with cloaks). Long term, I don't want to play a game where I have to request significant nerfs simply to avoid crippling nerfs. This kind of discussion is not productive, and only makes the QQers the real winners. Looking for the scout hangout?
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1250	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:00:00 - [15] - Quote Perhaps the concept of what a Scout is has changed? I would hazard to believe that since the inception of Cloaks and the Scout's bonus to said Cloak that they are now the Black Op's guys. "What's in a name?" "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 803	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:00:00 - [16] - Quote They shouldn't be removed. They should require you to deactivate it manually with a 1 to 2 second deactivation time. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13056	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:04:00 - [17] - Quote Scouting used to be something where skilled players really shined by playing the positioning game. Now, just like tanks, it's been dumbed down and made nice and easy for everyone. This game likes to take one step forward and three steps back lol. Oh well, what can you do. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Mostly Solo ADS Pilot
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 248	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:08:00 - [18] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: Never wanted cloaks. Never needed cloaks.... What I did want was a useful bonus to scout suits and some minor tweaks. Now I get a stupid bonus that shoe-horns me into using a piece of EQ that I was never interested in. Awesome. The CPU/PG, extra slots... totally hosed balance along with the cloak. There were so many good balancing ideas posted by scouts.... Of course they were ignored. Awesome. Please stop the only people worse than the qqers are the ones who think there elite if they dont use something . Cloak was planned for scouts and I been waiting since beta.The only reason I stuck with that suit up until 1.6.So save the cloak hate from a scout nonsense for heavies without heavy weapons, assaults without ar, lavs without drivers, pilots without dropships.If your scout who dosen't want to use cloak your choice but it dosen't make you a grade A scout. You totally misunderstand. I never said I was a Grade-A scout. I'm not that great, actually. And I don't have cloak hate. I have cloak disinterest. I'm annoyed that I have a role bonus to a single piece of equipment. It's lame. It just happens to be a piece of EQ you like and I don't. Imagine if the it was a piece of EQ I liked and you didn't. I didn't like tanks so I played another game until A)nerf b)new equipment c)buffs (haha) But I didn't waste time QQ now if that is what you meant and I took it wrong I will apologize(alot of I run the suit and hate A people out there).If your looking for something else than that type of qq is fine.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 248	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:10:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Scouting used to be something where skilled players really shined by playing the positioning game. Now, just like tanks, it's been dumbed down and made nice and easy for everyone. This game likes to take one step forward and three steps back lol. Oh well, what can you do. Whats the differences?Don't use cloak
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 99	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:25:00 - [20] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Scouting used to be something where skilled players really shined by playing the positioning game. Now, just like tanks, it's been dumbed down and made nice and easy for everyone. This game likes to take one step forward and three steps back lol. Oh well, what can you do. Whats the differences?Don't use cloak well, other people will use them and put you at a disadvantage if you don't. and since they're glitched and obscenely powerful there's no real good 'counter' to them unless you spec millions of SP somewhere probably not relevant to your interests.

Doctor Day THE SUPERHEROS 113	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:26:00 - [21] - Quote You know whats ****** up,the number of tanked scouts using Combat Rifles Nerf the Combat Rifles! Obvious troll is Obvious
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13058	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:30:00 - [22] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Scouting used to be something where skilled players really shined by playing the positioning game. Now, just like tanks, it's been dumbed down and made nice and easy for everyone. This game likes to take one step forward and three steps back lol. Oh well, what can you do. Whats the differences?Don't use cloak I don't scout because I'm stuck with my fat suit. I fly or I don't play. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Mostly Solo ADS Pilot
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5186	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:55:00 - [23] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: TL;DR: I'm a scout who wants cloaks removed - mainly because I don't trust you QQers or CCPs...'interesting' take on balancing. Disclaimer: been playing since before 1.3 at least - only ever specced Gal scout. I believe once upon a time CCP removed active scanners and reintroduced them when 'fixed' (lulz I know, but bare with me here)...please just remove cloaks. Create a covert ops frame at some point and give that frame a really limiting role bonus instead. Replace our bonus to something useful to scouts. You see every role has their 'thing' IMO. Assaults = weapons = bonus to weapon fitting. Logistics = equipment = bonus to equipment fitting. Sentinels = Tank = bonus to Splash damage (aka heavy weapons and explosives). Scouts = stealth/mobility = bonus to electronics and biotics mods? However - you (CCP) kinda decided our 'thing' should be something you hadn't really invented or tested yet. Cloaks. I get the distinct impression you were more concerned about introducing something new and flashy, than actually balancing scouts. When you realised you weren't technically proficient enough to allow us our speed, I think you floundered - patch after patch - trying to figure out what to do with us. However, most people don't play light frames - so it's understandable that our plight wasn't a highest concern. For me gettin cloaking devices from CCP is like having an absentee parent, who one day turns around, starts pretending like they care, does some nice things - but then gives you this god-awful tacky gold chain and kinda forcefully insists you wear the damn thing everywhere you go. I think you love this gift more than we do (feel free to let me know if I'm wrong). It doesn't matter if we get beat up or made fun of - you won't accept that your horrible gift is the problem and you will start making other changes in complete denial that if you just took this horrible gift away and give us something more sensible, things would turn around fast. I don't think cloaks are OP. I think they are glitchy and inherently difficult to balance. CCP can't/won't fix those glitches effectively. I think CCP will pass them off as 'features'. I think CCP will nerf all those things I liked about scouts to accommodate these 'Cloak features'. Maybe I'm wrong - but many scouts before 1.8 were not asking for cloaks as our saviour. We generally enjoyed the basic premise of 'scout' - it just wasn't particularly competitive, and other frames could do what it could do but better/less penalties (sound familiar?). Maybe I'm just another hipster scout who just hates seeing us become more popular...I dunno. I'm just still waiting for CCP to comment on this flood of QQ we've had so naturally I'm assuming the worst. I'm a CCP fanboy at heart - but even they have to admit, they got some issues... I really wouldnt miss the cloak. But i like where it is and i doubt CCP will remove them, since its the only piece of equipment that is NOT BROKEN after its initial release. The only thing i need to STAY from scouts thou; are their E-war capabilities.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Yan Darn Science For Death 650	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:57:00 - [24] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Yan Darn wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: No one is forcing you to use it I'm pretty sure you can find something else to use with that 300 CPU and 80-90 PG. I don't think I was clear about this. Look at our role bonus. Look at every other role bonus. Im suggesting a broader more useful bonus to scouts. How does me not using cloaks achieve that exactly? I'm not saying I hate cloaks. I like cloaks - great for moving across open space, getting into flanking position etc. The only issues I have with cloaks are things that are generally accepted as glitches. If we can fix cloaks without nerfing scouts - fine +1 to CCP. If it comes to nerfing scouts so we can keep cloaks - then No, Bad CCP, Bad. Imma being paranoid? Probably. If someone wants to tell me CCP doesn't ever drop a massive nerf hammer on things that there is QQ about - well you can - I just won't believe you. Edit: @ Awry - please see above. Ah, I see. Yeah, I share that paranoia. I would argue that you can view addition of the second equipment slot, and the associated fitting stat buff, as a non-cloak-reliant role bonus, for dropping uplinks and controlling the battlefield, but I see your point. [BThe issue is, if you change the scout role bonus, how do you make cloaks only really useful to scouts, since removing them entirely is not on the table?[/b] The million dollar question as it were. The reason I've created this thread really. I'm at a loss - and if we can't get some good suggestions going, then I'm basically whining at CCP in a preemptive manner, so they reconsider how they are balancing the suits before its too late. The balancing of the med frames is a big part of this debate IMO - I'm not convinced that is as widely accepted as I might hope. My best suggestion? Keep cloaks, remove damp bonus from cloaks (fix glitches), make cloaks fail on damage, increase recharge time and lower duration, increase shimmer when sprinting, make them deactivate when near enemies, add delay before being able to recloak - oh increase profile while cloak is active (that one is a gem for sure). Drastically lower fitting costs (keep them higher than most though) Finally, change scout bonus to be more broadly useful as other roles. CCP keep what I will assume significant development time went into. QQers get their nerfs. Non-scouts who want to use cloaks are more able. Scouts who choose to use cloaks will be regarded somewhere on the same level of awesome as PLC scouts and Melee scouts. Win-Win-Win-Win as they as say. @Nocturnal - yes, please see above. I do see your point though. @ Appia - you've said this to me before. I didn't understand then - but are you saying the damp bonus from cloaks is effectively a different way of applying the old damp bonus (on top of the profile buff)? Apologies - pretty tired now and trying to make quick responses, so I hope I got that right. Its just a lot of people are suggesting just removing the damp bonus from cloaks - in my eyes the cloak really would just become a cheap gimmick then. @ Matticus - Yup that pretty much sums it up for me too. I think I need to get off the forums for a bit lol. I just got tired of responding to real BS points in all these BS nerf scout threads. Suddenly you have people saying passive scanning range, Shotguns and being able to go under ADV and regular proto scanners relatively easy is all OP now. Where were these guys before 1.8 exactly? The Ghost of Bravo
Yan Darn Science For Death 651	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:09:00 - [25] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I kind of understand where you are coming from, but I think fear is a poor motivation for doing this. If this game is going to survive long term, we can't make concessions based on CCPs history of overly nerfing things that are sometimes only tangentially related to the real problems (in this case CCP nerfing scouts because of changes that need to be made with cloaks). Long term, I don't want to play a game where I have to request significant nerfs simply to avoid crippling nerfs. This kind of discussion is not productive, and only makes the QQers the real winners. Sorry King missed this (kinda had something to eat mid post...) - it's not (just) fear. It's just how Matticus said - role bonus for one Item? If you like that Item fine - but seriously, role bonus for one Item? That has divisive written all over it surely? I wasn't thrilled about that before (I never felt removing just the racial bonus was just enough), but hey - it was part of the buff we were waiting for, why look a gift horse in the mouth, right? I never requested a nerf to avoid nerfs - I was telling CCP that if their response to the cloak QQ is to 'rebalance' scouts as a whole - well - that is not a road I want to go down. Not for cloaks. The Ghost of Bravo
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 492	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:22:00 - [26] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: Tek Hound wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Scouting used to be something where skilled players really shined by playing the positioning game. Now, just like tanks, it's been dumbed down and made nice and easy for everyone. This game likes to take one step forward and three steps back lol. Oh well, what can you do. Whats the differences?Don't use cloak well, other people will use them and put you at a disadvantage if you don't. and since they're glitched and obscenely powerful there's no real good 'counter' to them unless you spec millions of SP somewhere probably not relevant to your interests. this is outright bull you do not have to run a cloak on a scout and it is not hard to see them or build a suit that will passively scan them .also if the role bonus for scouts is changed the will be unable to fit a cloak on the suit at all, youneed to have level 3 scout skills before fitting a basic cloak is even viable, the role bonus for scouts also keeps other suits from fitting advanced cloaks without reducing the fitting requirements for the cloak itself and if you remove the role bonus for scouts then cloaks will need a reduction to fitting requirements thereby making it way more viable to fit an advanced cloak to any suit with equipment slots. quit your whining and build a scout without a cloak ifyou dont want it cause they wont work any other way
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 492	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:31:00 - [27] - Quote STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT
Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 122	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:46:00 - [28] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT Chill dude... It's just the forums if you don't like it just leave... No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4902	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:52:00 - [29] - Quote Personally, I feel like scouts should be split into 2 different dropsuit classes: one based around mobility, and one based around stealth and scanning. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 492	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:54:00 - [30] - Quote STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT

21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 804	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:55:00 - [31] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT Woa now. No need to yell. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8046	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:56:00 - [32] - Quote There is always one of you in the crowd, isn't there? Further proof that it's impossible to please everyone. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1749	Posted - 2014.04.23 23:50:00 - [33] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT Woa now. No need to yell. Sometimes there's a need to yell. Not only once, but twice. Because certain times you want people to know beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are a baby and throw tantrums. Double posting like a Kaiser.
Yan Darn Science For Death 656	Posted - 2014.04.23 23:54:00 - [34] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: There is always one of you in the crowd, isn't there? Further proof that it's impossible to please everyone. I assume this was aimed at me and not 'I MUST SAY EVERYTHING IN CAPS' guy - lulz. No seriously though, I've edited the OP to clarify - still quite plausible you will disagree with me though. Title stays however. Click Bait. The Ghost of Bravo
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13065	Posted - 2014.04.24 00:37:00 - [35] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT Play the game how CCP made it. So, DDR 514? Swarm launcher Anti Infantry? BRE(owned)ACH AR? Dropship death bunnies? Tower Turrets? Contact Nade Cookoff? Invincible Phaseshifting scouts? Drag Racing Tanks? The Thousand Orbital Circus? If you think CCP is infallible, then you are the problem. Quit crying and provide actual feedback. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Mostly Solo ADS Pilot
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 488	Posted - 2014.04.24 00:50:00 - [36] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Scouting used to be something where skilled players really shined by playing the positioning game. Now, just like tanks, it's been dumbed down and made nice and easy for everyone. This game likes to take one step forward and three steps back lol. Oh well, what can you do. you hit it on the nose for me I'm so sick of people around me and in my corp saying how easy it is to scout using the scout as a logi instead of progressing with the actual logi suit using the scout as an assault instead of progressing with the actual suit 1.8 has dumbed down my role and made it eZmode for the masses my whole DUST career has been in a scout suit I went through heII and kept on going Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 493	Posted - 2014.04.24 03:36:00 - [37] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT Woa now. No need to yell. Sometimes there's a need to yell. Not only once, but twice. Because certain times you want people to know beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are a baby and throw tantrums. i cannot help it if my vita double posts sometimes, it happens big deal so fkn what. there is a difference in feedback and qq, cloaks work fine, scouts are intended tobe the stealth role with a fkn cloak read the suit card and it says so even before there were cloaks they were intended to be the suits that go invisible, just because you dont like how cloaks operate dosnt men they are broken or over powered, ccp released a decent piece of content and you whiners are still not satisfied any you wont be untill you get you way and ccp brakes it for you and everyone else. ccp already changed how they wanted the cloaks to operate before they were even released because csm said how they originally intended them to be would make you guys cry, like you are doing now, about how it needs to be changed and how its op. and the OPs suggested list of changes is utter crap, decloak delay, dropping cloack when damage is incured, removing the role bonus to scouts for cloaks, removing the damper bonus on the cloak, making the cloak increase signautre when active are all crap ideas stupid as hell crap
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 332	Posted - 2014.04.24 03:39:00 - [38] - Quote ahhahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahh cloak op ? lol not with fuckng pos amarr scout .
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1225	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:32:00 - [39] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Scouting used to be something where skilled players really shined by playing the positioning game. Now, just like tanks, it's been dumbed down and made nice and easy for everyone. This game likes to take one step forward and three steps back lol. Oh well, what can you do. you hit it on the nose for me I'm so sick of people around me and in my corp saying how easy it is to scout using the scout as a logi instead of progressing with the actual logi suit using the scout as an assault instead of progressing with the actual suit 1.8 has dumbed down my role and made it eZmode for the masses my whole DUST career has been in a scout suit I went through heII and kept on going Crap now I feel bad. Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all. SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60 1mil SP and counting
Yan Darn Science For Death 658	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:53:00 - [40] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT Woa now. No need to yell. Sometimes there's a need to yell. Not only once, but twice. Because certain times you want people to know beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are a baby and throw tantrums. i cannot help it if my vita double posts sometimes, it happens big deal so fkn what. there is a difference in feedback and qq, cloaks work fine, scouts are intended tobe the stealth role with a fkn cloak read the suit card and it says so even before there were cloaks they were intended to be the suits that go invisible, just because you dont like how cloaks operate dosnt men they are broken or over powered, ccp released a decent piece of content and you whiners are still not satisfied any you wont be untill you get you way and ccp brakes it for you and everyone else. ccp already changed how they wanted the cloaks to operate before they were even released because csm said how they originally intended them to be would make you guys cry, like you are doing now, about how it needs to be changed and how its op. and the OPs suggested list of changes is utter crap, decloak delay, dropping cloack when damage is incured, removing the role bonus to scouts for cloaks, removing the damper bonus on the cloak, making the cloak increase signautre when active are all crap ideas stupid as hell crap I somehow feel you missed the point of that post - perhaps the edited OP will clarify. I specifically don't want cloaks nerfed - I've never mentioned nerfing cloaks outside of the context of it ceasing to be a scout specific item. Those are indeed terrible ideas I mentioned - it's the kind of crap Ive seen posted in the actual 'nerf cloaks/scouts' threads. Right now, unintended behaviours aside, cloaks are in a good place and while sore about not getting a broader/versatile bonus - I fully see the benefits of a cloak to a scout. I don't want to see cloaks nerfed if we are to keep them as a scouts role bonus. However... I don't want to keep them for scouts role bonus in the event they are nerfed. Also... I don't want to see scouts in general nerfed if CCP finds it difficult to 'balance' cloaks. So if any cloak/scout nerfing occurs, I'd rather they consider taking cloaks out of the equation and gave us a broader role bonus instead. To some this constitutes a nerf to scouts - I really don't share that position. A shame in many ways yes - a nerf? Not if the new bonus is handled well... For example - for me one of the biggest problems caused by removing cloaks would be losing that active dampening bonus. If CCP decide to balance cloaks by removing that dampening bonus from cloaks however (as many suggest)... then that argument to keep cloaks doesn't even matter anymore... The Ghost of Bravo



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