No one is forcing you to use it I'm pretty sure you can find something else to use with that 300 CPU and 80-90 PG.

I don't think I was clear about this.

Look at our role bonus.

Look at every other role bonus.

Im suggesting a broader more useful bonus to scouts. How does me not using cloaks achieve that exactly?

I'm not saying I hate cloaks. I like cloaks - great for moving across open space, getting into flanking position etc. The only issues I have with cloaks are things that are generally accepted as glitches.

If we can fix cloaks without nerfing scouts - fine +1 to CCP.

If it comes to nerfing scouts so we can keep cloaks - then No, Bad CCP, Bad.

Imma being paranoid? Probably. If someone wants to tell me CCP doesn't ever drop a massive nerf hammer on things that there is QQ about - well you can - I just won't believe you.

Edit: @ Awry - please see above.

I don't think I was clear about this.

Look at our role bonus.

Look at every other role bonus.

Im suggesting a broader more useful bonus to scouts. How does me not using cloaks achieve that exactly?

I'm not saying I hate cloaks. I like cloaks - great for moving across open space, getting into flanking position etc. The only issues I have with cloaks are things that are generally accepted as glitches.

If we can fix cloaks without nerfing scouts - fine +1 to CCP.

If it comes to nerfing scouts so we can keep cloaks - then No, Bad CCP, Bad.

Imma being paranoid? Probably. If someone wants to tell me CCP doesn't ever drop a massive nerf hammer on things that there is QQ about - well you can - I just won't believe you.

Edit: @ Awry - please see above.

Never wanted cloaks. Never needed cloaks....

What I did want was a useful bonus to scout suits and some minor tweaks. Now I get a stupid bonus that shoe-horns me into using a piece of EQ that I was never interested in.

Awesome.

The CPU/PG, extra slots... totally hosed balance along with the cloak. There were so many good balancing ideas posted by scouts....

Of course they were ignored.

Awesome.

Please stop the only people worse than the qqers are the ones who think there elite if they dont use something . Cloak was planned for scouts and I been waiting since beta.The only reason I stuck with that suit up until 1.6.So save the cloak hate from a scout nonsense for heavies without heavy weapons, assaults without ar, lavs without drivers, pilots without dropships.If your scout who dosen't want to use cloak your choice but it dosen't make you a grade A scout.

You totally misunderstand.

I never said I was a Grade-A scout. I'm not that great, actually.

And I don't have cloak hate. I have cloak disinterest. I'm annoyed that I have a role bonus to a single piece of equipment. It's lame. It just happens to be a piece of EQ you like and I don't.

Imagine if the it was a piece of EQ I liked and you didn't.

Scouting used to be something where skilled players really shined by playing the positioning game.

Now, just like tanks, it's been dumbed down and made nice and easy for everyone. This game likes to take one step forward and three steps back lol. Oh well, what can you do.

Whats the differences?Don't use cloak

Whats the differences?Don't use cloak

TL;DR: I'm a scout who wants cloaks removed - mainly because I don't trust you QQers or CCPs...'interesting' take on balancing.
Disclaimer: been playing since before 1.3 at least - only ever specced Gal scout.

I believe once upon a time CCP removed active scanners and reintroduced them when 'fixed' (lulz I know, but bare with me here)...please just remove cloaks. Create a covert ops frame at some point and give that frame a really limiting role bonus instead.

Replace our bonus to something useful to scouts.

You see every role has their 'thing' IMO.

Assaults = weapons = bonus to weapon fitting.
Logistics = equipment = bonus to equipment fitting.
Sentinels = Tank = bonus to Splash damage (aka heavy weapons and explosives).
Scouts = stealth/mobility = bonus to electronics and biotics mods?

However - you (CCP) kinda decided our 'thing' should be something you hadn't really invented or tested yet. Cloaks.

I get the distinct impression you were more concerned about introducing something new and flashy, than actually balancing scouts.

When you realised you weren't technically proficient enough to allow us our speed, I think you floundered - patch after patch - trying to figure out what to do with us. However, most people don't play light frames - so it's understandable that our plight wasn't a highest concern.

For me gettin cloaking devices from CCP is like having an absentee parent, who one day turns around, starts pretending like they care, does some nice things - but then gives you this god-awful tacky gold chain and kinda forcefully insists you wear the damn thing everywhere you go.

I think you love this gift more than we do (feel free to let me know if I'm wrong).

It doesn't matter if we get beat up or made fun of - you won't accept that your horrible gift is the problem and you will start making other changes in complete denial that if you just took this horrible gift away and give us something more sensible, things would turn around fast.

I don't think cloaks are OP.
I think they are glitchy and inherently difficult to balance. CCP can't/won't fix those glitches effectively.
I think CCP will pass them off as 'features'.
I think CCP will nerf all those things I liked about scouts to accommodate these 'Cloak features'.

Maybe I'm wrong - but many scouts before 1.8 were not asking for cloaks as our saviour. We generally enjoyed the basic premise of 'scout' - it just wasn't particularly competitive, and other frames could do what it could do but better/less penalties (sound familiar?).

Maybe I'm just another hipster scout who just hates seeing us become more popular...I dunno.

I'm just still waiting for CCP to comment on this flood of QQ we've had so naturally I'm assuming the worst. I'm a CCP fanboy at heart - but even they have to admit, they got some issues...

Ah, I see.
Yeah, I share that paranoia.
I would argue that you can view addition of the second equipment slot, and the associated fitting stat buff, as a non-cloak-reliant role bonus, for dropping uplinks and controlling the battlefield, but I see your point. [BThe issue is, if you change the scout role bonus, how do you make cloaks only really useful to scouts, since removing them entirely is not on the table?[/b]

I kind of understand where you are coming from, but I think fear is a poor motivation for doing this.

If this game is going to survive long term, we can't make concessions based on CCPs history of overly nerfing things that are sometimes only tangentially related to the real problems (in this case CCP nerfing scouts because of changes that need to be made with cloaks).

Long term, I don't want to play a game where I have to request significant nerfs simply to avoid crippling nerfs.

This kind of discussion is not productive, and only makes the QQers the real winners.

well, other people will use them and put you at a disadvantage if you don't. and since they're glitched and obscenely powerful there's no real good 'counter' to them unless you spec millions of SP somewhere probably not relevant to your interests.

STFU WITH ALL THIS QQ CHANGE HOW THIS WORKS CAUSE I DONT LIKE IT AND IT KILLS ME BULLCRAP PLAY THE GAME HOW CCP MADE IT OR QUIT