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Crimson Smoke Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:29:00 - [1] - Quote They have became too overpowered so should be nerfed.
Joe Macro Redshield Finance 7	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:51:00 - [2] - Quote I think cloaks are kind of dumb because a good scout shouldn't even need a cloak. Unfortunately, I doubt they will be removed.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 405	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:03:00 - [3] - Quote Crimson Smoke wrote: They have became too overpowered so should be nerfed. Nerf their speed, keep the cloaks but fix them and nerf them too. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Kaeru Nayiri Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:45:00 - [4] - Quote Yes ! And nerf the swarm launcher, too !! :3
Nocturnal Soul Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 2965	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:52:00 - [5] - Quote Buff intelligence instead... Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 209	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:07:00 - [6] - Quote You can never make something idiot proof. The second you do make something idiot proof, someone will go out, and become a better idiot.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 44	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:39:00 - [7] - Quote so another round of NERF THIS / BUFF THAT !!!! Yes people we will never get any good new content because every time someone gets killed by the next new thing the forums lights up with a chorus of NERF THIS /BUFF THAT!!!. at this rate we should have a complete game by ohhh 2016 or so. does the cloaking to uncloaking need a small delay before a weapon can be fired yes, I'd say enough time that you are visible to your intended victim. so .5 of a second delay, maybe a little longer maybe little shorter does it need to be nerfed out of use for the people who want to use it. HELL NO!! ohh I don't normally scout so no I am not trying to protect my play style.. I advocate for all play styles
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2137	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:45:00 - [8] - Quote Cloaks aren't going to be "removed". They're a huge part of the game, and always will be. EWAR, scanning and hiding, are a huge part of what makes this game a tactical/strategic game, and not just a run of the mill twitch shooter. If you're dying to cloaks often, you should be keeping a better eye out for them. There is an issue with how fast you can fire after decloaking, and hopefully they'll adjust that a bit, but this is really a game mechanic you'll need to get used to, as it's going to be a core part of scouts going forward. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 301	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:39:00 - [9] - Quote Crimson Smoke wrote: They have became too overpowered so should be nerfed. A man with some common sense! Yes I agree, CCP should stomp the yard with Scouts. Tired of having scanning errors at 15 db. OP and the scouts know it. They will defend the TACNET stealth crutch to the bitter end though. Hopefully CCP nerfs it heavily after 6-7 months, depending on when they feel like it.
Thokk Nightshade Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 88	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:24:00 - [10] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: so another round of NERF THIS / BUFF THAT !!!! Yes people we will never get any good new content because every time someone gets killed by the next new thing the forums lights up with a chorus of NERF THIS /BUFF THAT!!!. at this rate we should have a complete game by ohhh 2016 or so. does the cloaking to uncloaking need a small delay before a weapon can be fired yes, I'd say enough time that you are visible to your intended victim. so .5 of a second delay, maybe a little longer maybe little shorter does it need to be nerfed out of use for the people who want to use it. HELL NO!! ohh I don't normally scout so no I am not trying to protect my play style.. I advocate for all play styles Agreed. It is a balance issue. I would agree with the slight delay between uncloaking firing. I would also like to see something to stop the uncloak, fire, cloak, rinse, repeat over and over. This will prevent a scout running into a spread group of 5-6 guys and cloak/shotgunning each of them because he is cloaked back up before anyone can see him. As to the last comment, I agree. I'm not a scout at all. Personally, I love it when I see a cloaked scout coming at my commando and I swap from a CR to a shotgun and blast them in the face before they can get a shot off. Pisses them off to no end and I have a good laugh over it. Most don't expect to come across a commando rocking a shotgun.

Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2196	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:28:00 - [11] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Crimson Smoke wrote: They have became too overpowered so should be nerfed. A man with some common sense! Yes I agree, CCP should stomp the yard with Scouts. Tired of having scanning errors at 15 db. OP and the scouts know it. They will defend the TACNET stealth crutch to the bitter end though. Hopefully CCP nerfs it heavily after 6-7 months, depending on when they feel like it. Do you really have that much trouble killing something if it's not brightly lit up by a glaring red chevron? Scouts don't win by using a crutch. They win by taking away yours. Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2196	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:31:00 - [12] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: As to the last comment, I agree. I'm not a scout at all. Personally, I love it when I see a cloaked scout coming at my commando and I swap from a CR to a shotgun and blast them in the face before they can get a shot off. Pisses them off to no end and I have a good laugh over it. Most don't expect to come across a commando rocking a shotgun. I love shotgunning with my gal commando. There are few better feelings than OHK a scout out of his cloak. As if we can't see the big blue blur.... Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 90	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:41:00 - [13] - Quote My god what a bunch of losers talking about nerfing scouts and remove the cloak.Wow now you guys must suck because last I check scouts are not the big bad wolfs here.Blood out
Tonka Legacy Zincress Caps and Mercs 92	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:45:00 - [14] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: My god what a bunch of losers talking about nerfing scouts and remove the cloak.Wow now you guys must suck because last I check scouts are not the big bad wolfs here.Blood out blood out? Sentinel: I am heavy weapons guy... Commando: I got a RR and a CR, Im so good. Logi: In it 4 the points and points only.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1413	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:51:00 - [15] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: My god what a bunch of losers talking about nerfing scouts and remove the cloak.Wow now you guys must suck because last I check scouts are not the big bad wolfs here.Blood out Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? Scouts are definitely the big bad wolf at this point. They have a massive impact on a battle, much more so than other suits in this build. Fixing the cloak delay would be a good start towards realigning them with other classes. I would also like to see a change to the CPU/PG of the Gal & Cal scouts which currently need to make no compromises when fitting (this is a glaring issue with heavies too). Hit detection issues game wide also make scouts a major issue, though this is a whole game issue not just a scout one. Fun > Realism
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 125	Posted - 2014.04.23 23:03:00 - [16] - Quote When you see 10 of the 16 enemys are scouts with cloak you know there is a problem. Anyone who's not noticing that has a problem. Some builds before it was the caldari logi then it was all logis after that HAVs after that CR/RR now scouts with cloak. I believe they made it a policy that every new thing must be OP. When will this end CCP ??? Balance what you have make it work smooth and then add carefully new things. Not having fixed the PLC is saying everything about this game.
major faux-pas Irish Assassins 114	Posted - 2014.04.23 23:26:00 - [17] - Quote Cloak duration just waaay too long (i am a cloaking scout myself) always been a scout.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 17	Posted - 2014.04.24 01:31:00 - [18] - Quote There's a misconception that a cloak "belongs" to the scout. They may get a huge bonus, but the cloak can be used by other classes too. The cloak is fine the way it is, and the scout is fine the way it is. And I'm not a scout and frequently get killed by them! I get killed by more tanks though.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 128	Posted - 2014.04.24 04:49:00 - [19] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: There's a misconception that a cloak "belongs" to the scout. They may get a huge bonus, but the cloak can be used by other classes too. The cloak is fine the way it is, and the scout is fine the way it is. And I'm not a scout and frequently get killed by them! I get killed by more tanks though. The big difference is that all other suites are sacrificing a lot more to use cloaks. Refusing to realize that there is a problem with scouts is childish. A penalty for the cloak must be introduced. Like shield extenders and armor plates go offline when cloak is active. This way smart players who spot cloaked players will be rewarded with a kill.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1249	Posted - 2014.04.24 04:52:00 - [20] - Quote Crimson Smoke wrote: They have became too overpowered so should be nerfed. They are so OP I would prefer they remove scouts altogether. Let them run Assault. And so it goes.

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2893	Posted - 2014.04.24 05:18:00 - [21] - Quote nope once introduced its here to stay. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
McFurious TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 718	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:10:00 - [22] - Quote Make it so cloaking instantly drains shields. After decloak you have to wait for it to recharge from 0. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
SOGZ PANDA Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 65	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:37:00 - [23] - Quote Nerf buff nerf buff nerf buff And so the cycle continues where nothing is achieved Whatever Brianna Beach says about me.............It's not true
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 935	Posted - 2014.04.24 08:27:00 - [24] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Yes ! And nerf the swarm launcher, too !! :3 And the ION pistol and the PLC...those things still can kill
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2956	Posted - 2014.04.24 09:14:00 - [25] - Quote Guns kill me too much - they should be removed and everyone should be given bananas instead. When your banana runs out, you drop the skin on the floor and can trip people up on them. Oooor - do that damn balance pass on the mediums that should have been done with scouts and heavies in 1.8 and make assaults so they're not out-assaulted by scouts. Fix the decloak-insta-shoot bug (confirmed as a bug by CCP Rattati yesterday) too. Don't touch a damned other thing in the whole game until those 2 things are done. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Rowan Colman Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.04.24 13:27:00 - [26] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: There's a misconception that a cloak "belongs" to the scout. They may get a huge bonus, but the cloak can be used by other classes too. The cloak is fine the way it is, and the scout is fine the way it is. And I'm not a scout and frequently get killed by them! I get killed by more tanks though. The big difference is that all other suites are sacrificing a lot more to use cloaks. Refusing to realize that there is a problem with scouts is childish. A penalty for the cloak must be introduced. Like shield extenders and armor plates go offline when cloak is active. This way smart players who spot cloaked players will be rewarded with a kill. Armor plate=plating that requires little power. Just thought I'd point that out.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2149	Posted - 2014.04.24 13:52:00 - [27] - Quote Django Quik wrote: (confirmed as a bug by CCP Rattati yesterday) Rattati isn't a programmer. Rattati can't really confirm bugs. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3489	Posted - 2014.04.24 13:59:00 - [28] - Quote Every single match I am in, I'm able to kill a scout that is cloaked because I'm able to see him when I move my eyeballs around. There are spots where they will want to ambush you from, be careful when rounding corners. If you've been moving in one direction for more than a moment, check your six because there is more than likely a cloacked scout coming with a shotgun. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 139	Posted - 2014.04.24 14:07:00 - [29] - Quote Crimson Smoke wrote: They have became too overpowered so should be nerfed. Fantastic argument, how could anyone disagree with the logic displayed. At OP ( sorry for sarcasm ) while I understand your frustration let CCP get cloaks to where they said they should be at before nerfing anything. GÇ£Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.GÇ¥ GÇò Frank Zappa
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2963	Posted - 2014.04.24 15:29:00 - [30] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Django Quik wrote: (confirmed as a bug by CCP Rattati yesterday) Rattati isn't a programmer. Rattati can't really confirm bugs. Logibro and Saberwing aren't programmers but they confirm bugs all the time. Rattati is a bluetag - if he says they know of a bug, it's almost certainly a bug; if not, someone else would have come and corrected it or he would have been made to edit the post. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts

lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 771	Posted - 2014.04.24 15:41:00 - [31] - Quote Crimson Smoke wrote: They have became too overpowered so should be nerfed. you mad bro? Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 18	Posted - 2014.04.24 16:24:00 - [32] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: There's a misconception that a cloak "belongs" to the scout. They may get a huge bonus, but the cloak can be used by other classes too. The cloak is fine the way it is, and the scout is fine the way it is. And I'm not a scout and frequently get killed by them! I get killed by more tanks though. The big difference is that all other suites are sacrificing a lot more to use cloaks. Refusing to realize that there is a problem with scouts is childish. A penalty for the cloak must be introduced. Like shield extenders and armor plates go offline when cloak is active. This way smart players who spot cloaked players will be rewarded with a kill. There isn't a problem with scouts or cloaks. The problem is with cloakers with any weapon that can one-shot from close range. But even that can be easily countered by a good squad. Making shield extenders and armor plates go offline is stupid. As I've pointed out in other threads, a cloak is useful for anti-tanking - for scouts and logi (between logi's, mostly the Amarr logi). Doing that would destroy that role. And besides, what most people complain about is getting shot in the back! If you can't see them cutting their armor isn't going to do ****. It's just going to hurt other roles. The scout goes down pretty fast if they are seen. All it takes is for one person to see them to alert their squad and within 3-5 seconds he's found and killed.


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