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C Saunders
Tech guard RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:41:00 -
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Simply because EVE players are not going 'pew' 'pew' in space we cant join any FW games.
I want to join Min FW but cant because the estimated times 00:00 and said EVE players aren't performing.
More 'pew' 'pew'. Less scotty.
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:41:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Simply because EVE players are not going 'pew' 'pew' in space we cant join any FW games.
I want to join Min FW but cant because the estimated times 00:00 and said EVE players aren't performing.
More 'pew' 'pew'. Less scotty. Wrong forum if you want EVE players ;) |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:33:00 -
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I'm not sure it works like that. AFAIK the battle in space affects where Dust FW battles happen, but not when. There's a dev post about it somewhere.
The long delays are probably more because of a lack of Amarr infantry.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:36:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:I'm not sure it works like that. AFAIK the battle in space affects where Dust FW battles happen, but not when. There's a dev post about it somewhere.
The long delays are probably more because of a lack of Amarr infantry.
Pretty sure this is correct. FW is dead because no one is playing it. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:46:00 -
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I would play fw but the waiting time is too long for me,imagine what casual/new duster thinks when he/she try fw
Fck the kdr,i`m going in
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:18:00 -
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FW= no isk thus noone bothers thus no matches
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:24:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:FW= no isk thus noone bothers thus no matches I think that plays into it for a lot of people. Player market would help, even just introducing the ability to trade items without an official market would change that.
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Sourdough Muffins
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:37:00 -
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FW and PC are both pointless and broken piles of crap right now. PC is broken because a group of people would rather farm isk than fight like a bunch of nancy sissyboy wallstreet bankers and because they have so much ISK what do they do with it all? There becomes a point where money is just pointless. If they try connecting the Dust and EVE markets they are going to need to do a ISK reset otherwise it will crash the EVE side literally killing the economy on their only money maker.
FW is pointless because there is no real reason to do it unless you are a die hard fan of a race or just need a reason to blow a shitload of ISK. |
C Saunders
Tech guard RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:45:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:FW and PC are both pointless and broken piles of crap right now. PC is broken because a group of people would rather farm isk than fight like a bunch of nancy sissyboy wallstreet bankers and because they have so much ISK what do they do with it all? There becomes a point where money is just pointless. If they try connecting the Dust and EVE markets they are going to need to do a ISK reset otherwise it will crash the EVE side literally killing the economy on their only money maker.
FW is pointless because there is no real reason to do it unless you are a die hard fan of a race or just need a reason to blow a shitload of ISK.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:46:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Simply because EVE players are not going 'pew' 'pew' in space we cant join any FW games.
I want to join Min FW but cant because the estimated times 00:00 and said EVE players aren't performing.
More 'pew' 'pew'. Less scotty.
FW matches are created when enough Dust players join in. Eve players only determine the location of our battles.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:50:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:I would play fw but the waiting time is too long for me,imagine what casual/new duster thinks when he/she try fw This. I'd love to play FW if the matches loaded quicker. I rarely wait more than 30 seconds. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:55:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:FW and PC are both pointless and broken piles of crap right now. PC is broken because a group of people would rather farm isk than fight like a bunch of nancy sissyboy wallstreet bankers and because they have so much ISK what do they do with it all? There becomes a point where money is just pointless. If they try connecting the Dust and EVE markets they are going to need to do a ISK reset otherwise it will crash the EVE side literally killing the economy on their only money maker.
FW is pointless because there is no real reason to do it unless you are a die hard fan of a race or just need a reason to blow a shitload of ISK.
lol... a single titan is worth more than all of the isk in dust. And they blew up 79 of them in the last big null sec battle.
Its not eve you have to worry about with a merged player market, its dust. You think its bad now? Imagine eve players sitting on hundreds of billions able to run proto literally indefinitely. |
Ander Thedas
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:09:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Sourdough Muffins wrote:FW and PC are both pointless and broken piles of crap right now. PC is broken because a group of people would rather farm isk than fight like a bunch of nancy sissyboy wallstreet bankers and because they have so much ISK what do they do with it all? There becomes a point where money is just pointless. If they try connecting the Dust and EVE markets they are going to need to do a ISK reset otherwise it will crash the EVE side literally killing the economy on their only money maker.
FW is pointless because there is no real reason to do it unless you are a die hard fan of a race or just need a reason to blow a shitload of ISK. lol... a single titan is worth more than all of the isk in dust. And they blew up 79 of them in the last big null sec battle. Its not eve you have to worry about with a merged player market, its dust. You think its bad now? Imagine eve players sitting on hundreds of billions able to run proto literally indefinitely.
While that first statement about DUST ISK being worth less than a titan is simply not even close to true, everything else he says is right. CCP employs economists to help with game development and I hope they're hard at work figuring this + the market out.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:48:00 -
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Ander Thedas wrote:While that first statement about DUST ISK being worth less than a titan is simply not even close to true, everything else he says is right. CCP employs economists to help with game development and I hope they're hard at work figuring this + the market out.
I dont know why I was under the impression that a titan was worth a trillion isk, yeah im way off if they are only around 100 billion isk or so.
Even then I don't imagine we're ever going to see a point where dust will threaten eve's economy that much. |
Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:50:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:FW and PC are both pointless and broken piles of crap right now. PC is broken because a group of people would rather farm isk than fight like a bunch of nancy sissyboy wallstreet bankers and because they have so much ISK what do they do with it all? There becomes a point where money is just pointless. If they try connecting the Dust and EVE markets they are going to need to do a ISK reset otherwise it will crash the EVE side literally killing the economy on their only money maker.
FW is pointless because there is no real reason to do it unless you are a die hard fan of a race or just need a reason to blow a shitload of ISK.
All of the isk made from all of dust so far could easily be absorbed by the eve econmoy.Pc is what.. 245 districts? Let say 10 mil a day for a year.. that's just under 1 trillion isk, less than some of the richest players in game have in their wallets.
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KaTaLy5t-87
Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:16:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:FW= no isk thus noone bothers thus no matches
I posted about this on the original thread when they announced the FW changes. I think it really kills the game mode, people would play it more if they could make ISK from it. Most of the people who play Dust are not involved in PC and so do not have unlimited stockpiles of ISK. Not being able to make ISK from FW battles makes the game mode unappealing to a lot of people.
This could be helped by the player market so we could sell the salvage we get but then a lot of the salvage I get in FW is cheap, either MLT or BAS. This wouldn't really sustain people in the long run either. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:21:00 -
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Player market would fix a lot of the issues with FW payouts I think as well. Its just that LP dont have a lot of value at the moment unless you are wanting those specialist proto variants but only the elite few care about that at the moment.
A better LP payout system based on how close you were to winning would help a lot too. FW gets very frustrating when you see half the team basically afk after about 3 minutes in because they know they are going to lose. Needs to be better incentive to continue to play a match even after knowing you may not win it. |
Ander Thedas
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:28:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Ander Thedas wrote:While that first statement about DUST ISK being worth less than a titan is simply not even close to true, everything else he says is right. CCP employs economists to help with game development and I hope they're hard at work figuring this + the market out. I dont know why I was under the impression that a titan was worth a trillion isk, yeah im way off if they are only around 100 billion isk or so. Even then I don't imagine we're ever going to see a point where dust will threaten eve's economy that much.
Don't sell us short! We have one major economic advantage over EVE: circulation. The dust economy moves way faster than the EVE economy for it's scale. Despite it being smaller (at the moment) the amount of ISK we move is proportionally way higher. Which means that when integration eventually happens the economy is going to be swept along the wave of, comparatively, micro-transactions. This can be an enormous force simply because of the amount of movement it has. Coupled with the fact that once this game gets itself together the potential player pool (and I would absolutely love to see a day when this happens) could approach or even topple the amount of players on EVE. But at the moment, definitely not happening anytime soon.
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