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Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 2430	Posted - 2014.04.23 03:11:00 - [1] - Quote Forger got on roof. Infantry protected forger. Forger denies 1/2 of map to 2 tanks with intimidating alpha damage against low resistance/hp hull, but doesn't 2hk them like in 1.6 Balance has been achieved. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2058	Posted - 2014.04.23 03:13:00 - [2] - Quote Now if only STD swarms weren't complete ****. Needs 6 missiles on all variants, 5/10% or 10/20% scaling for tiers. Not 25/50%. It should be obvious why that level of scaling prevents swarms from ever being properly balanced. Nerdier than thou
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 2431	Posted - 2014.04.23 03:57:00 - [3] - Quote well...they do have the only lock on feature so I don't think they should be very good... Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Alex-P-Keaton Kramer Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.04.23 03:59:00 - [4] - Quote how many infantry are protecting the forge gun guy? are we talking about skirmish or domination? http://i58.tinypic.com/15f3muh.png http://i57.tinypic.com/301n33b.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/30c4pwk.jpg
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2067	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:03:00 - [5] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: well...they do have the only lock on feature so I don't think they should be very good... I agree that they shouldn't be as powerful as a forge, or be able to singlehandedly deny multiple tanks at a time, but there's a difference between "not extremely good" and "useless". When a STD swarm cannot ever, literally ever, do enough damage to destroy a single armor tank, even when that tank is piloted by a complete idiot, that is too useless. Nerdier than thou
Tectonic Fusion 1523	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:06:00 - [6] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: well...they do have the only lock on feature so I don't think they should be very good... I agree that they shouldn't be as powerful as a forge, or be able to singlehandedly deny multiple tanks at a time, but there's a difference between "not extremely good" and "useless". When a STD swarm cannot ever, literally ever, do enough damage to destroy a single armor tank, even when that tank is piloted by a complete idiot, that is too useless. You make a mighty fine point. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9651	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:07:00 - [7] - Quote Alex-P-Keaton Kramer wrote: how many infantry are protecting the forge gun guy? are we talking about skirmish or domination? Well a Forger should be able to protect themselves, and do say they can't. I see them do it in my squad all the time. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4370	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:13:00 - [8] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: well...they do have the only lock on feature so I don't think they should be very good... I agree that they shouldn't be as powerful as a forge, or be able to singlehandedly deny multiple tanks at a time, but there's a difference between "not extremely good" and "useless". When a STD swarm cannot ever, literally ever, do enough damage to destroy a single armor tank, even when that tank is piloted by a complete idiot, that is too useless. ADV swarms do the job well against any tank not heavy rep tanking. But yeah, I agree that the STD and ADV need some rebalancing. I personally want longer lock times and more damage. I hate having to use 4 swarms to convince a tank I'm not prey. Lemme use just two, but deal the same amount of damage in the same time. Ammo conservation yo I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
ONE-I-BANDIT The Generals General Tso's Alliance 75	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:26:00 - [9] - Quote This what I thought should happen for swarms all along for STD and ADV. You want more damage ok I can see that then give up the lock on portion of the Launcher this would make you use skill like an forger and time your attacks instead of lock and run tactics. Then when you get Proto and some skill in it maby Prof.1 or 2 then the lock on is enabled. Proto Logi/Big Bad Tanker/Beginner Heavy Wait till they get an Load of Me
LittleCuteBunny 426	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:30:00 - [10] - Quote 1 player denying 1/2 of the map for vehicles is more worrying than anything... Retired.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2118	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:33:00 - [11] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Forger denies 1/2 of map to 2 tanks with intimidating alpha damage "Map denial" isn't AV balance, sorry. "Intimidating" isn't AV balance, sorry. If you can kill me, I can kill you. That's balance. Tankers should die to AV. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Tectonic Fusion 1525	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:34:00 - [12] - Quote ONE-I-BANDIT wrote: This what I thought should happen for swarms all along for STD and ADV. You want more damage ok I can see that then give up the lock on portion of the Launcher this would make you use skill like an forger and time your attacks instead of lock and run tactics. Then when you get Proto and some skill in it maby Prof.1 or 2 then the lock on is enabled. Or make the swarm launcher a miniature missile launcher (it should also operate like the large missile launcher with less rounds in a clip). Infantry could dodge it and it wouldn't be very accurate unless you crouch, and it does good damage against vehicles. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 2434	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:59:00 - [13] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: well...they do have the only lock on feature so I don't think they should be very good... I agree that they shouldn't be as powerful as a forge, or be able to singlehandedly deny multiple tanks at a time, but there's a difference between "not extremely good" and "useless". When a STD swarm cannot ever, literally ever, do enough damage to destroy a single armor tank, even when that tank is piloted by a complete idiot, that is too useless. ADV swarms do the job well against any tank not heavy rep tanking. But yeah, I agree that the STD and ADV need some rebalancing. I personally want longer lock times and more damage. I hate having to use 4 swarms to convince a tank I'm not prey. Lemme use just two, but deal the same amount of damage in the same time. Ammo conservation yo i like Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 2434	Posted - 2014.04.23 05:01:00 - [14] - Quote LittleCuteBunny wrote: 1 player denying 1/2 of the map for vehicles is more worrying than anything... maybe my perspective is skewed bc tanks are only a small part of my total fittings... i have no problem with a prototype AV fit doing its job as long as it isn't doing what rails do and insta-gank everything that moves. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1307	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:38:00 - [15] - Quote How often does this happen? Because tanks wtfpwning infantry (including AV) happens constantly. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 23	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:44:00 - [16] - Quote So, one time, you saw this one guy scare away two tankers. And this is how we determine if things are balanced now? No wonder this game is in the mess it's in.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2632	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:49:00 - [17] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Forger got on roof. Infantry protected forger. Forger denies 1/2 of map to 2 tanks with intimidating alpha damage against low resistance/hp hull, but doesn't 2hk them like in 1.6 Balance has been achieved. As much as I hate rooftop camping in all its forms I agree that Breach Forge Gun will do its job and do it well. While a swarm may indeed have a lock-on it requires LOS during lock and clear and wide path towards its target. Swarms aren't 'terrible' but they could do with a little love. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 405	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:50:00 - [18] - Quote Alex-P-Keaton Kramer wrote: how many infantry are protecting the forge gun guy? are we talking about skirmish or domination? What type of tanks, and how much hp, which forge was used. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 961	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:53:00 - [19] - Quote I think the FG could still do with a little reduction in charge time. Awry Barux wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: well...they do have the only lock on feature so I don't think they should be very good... I agree that they shouldn't be as powerful as a forge, or be able to singlehandedly deny multiple tanks at a time, but there's a difference between "not extremely good" and "useless". When a STD swarm cannot ever, literally ever, do enough damage to destroy a single armor tank, even when that tank is piloted by a complete idiot, that is too useless. I take it you haven't met SpkroftheDead, the dude that gets soloed by militia swarms after they're nerfed to 2 rounds in the clip. Support Orbital Spawns
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 439	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:34:00 - [20] - Quote i tank and have proto forges, and there is almost no balance. when i am getting forged in my tank, i shoot 1-2 railgun round at the forgegunner or several blasters, and hes dead, but i can outrep his forge gun completely, or just speed away when my health gets low. forge guns pose a threat, but they are not at all balanced vs a tank. Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!

Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 731	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:25:00 - [21] - Quote Why must i hide on a roof? I'm a ground Forger, i stay on ground to protect my Squad. AV need to be balanced on ground and the ******* roof need wall so people stop to camp the high ground. Cheap tattics like sitting outside thew render zone 'cause the mess tha AV-VS-VE is right know. Camping on roof is like redline sniping. Cal.Heavy-Min.Heavy-Amarr.Heavy Believe in the FORGE, young padawans SoloDoloreSuCharlie
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 366	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:31:00 - [22] - Quote I say 6 missiles each with scaling damage. The longer you hold the lock, the more missiles are added to the salvo, so if the tanker is on the move or you are under fire, you cant put full damage on all the time. So full spams wont always be possible. Edit: Much like the salvo upgrade in Loadout GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2842	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:38:00 - [23] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: well...they do have the only lock on feature so I don't think they should be very good... Implying the lock on is a feature and not a drawback Give me dumb fire missiles I can actually aim at a weak spot all day every day I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1549	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:39:00 - [24] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Now if only STD swarms weren't complete ****. Needs 6 missiles on all variants, 5/10% or 10/20% scaling for tiers. Not 25/50%. It should be obvious why that level of scaling prevents swarms from ever being properly balanced. I need swarms back!!!
ONE-I-BANDIT The Generals General Tso's Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.04.24 05:09:00 - [25] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: I say 6 missiles each with scaling damage. The longer you hold the lock, the more missiles are added to the salvo, so if the tanker is on the move or you are under fire, you cant put full damage on all the time. So full spams wont always be possible. Edit: Much like the salvo upgrade in Loadout Now this is interesting this would make ppl look harder at the swarm launcher and at the same time would make the swarmer work harder to try and get an full pay load out but at the same time what kind fo reload time would be included and how many do you get would be the only back draws for this kind of set up but this is a very good ideal Proto Logi/Big Bad Tanker/Beginner Heavy Wait till they get an Load of Me


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