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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:42:00 -
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Aurum =/= ISK, so an Aurum sale is not overpowered or pay to win. As Aurum and ISK have different relative values, and are acquired in different ways, there's really no imbalance of any kind.
Aurum sales are entirely designed to encourage players to spend money that pays for DUST development, so you should really be glad people are buying. Those who buy Aurum pay for you to play the game.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:22:00 -
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Even in EVE, people who choose to spend more money on the game can get more in-game assets easier. This isn't unusual, nor is it likely to go away. Given that all free-to-play games use a model where you pay more money to get more stuff, I do suggest you get used to it.
Because there is no player market, there's no Aurum value to ISK value. Aurum variants are distinctly more valuable per item than their ISK counterpart, due to the skill requirements.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:33:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter, let me ask you then: How would you propose CCP makes money on DUST, in order to pay the developers to improve it, and to keep the servers running every day? I mean, there's some ways Aurum item options could be shifted, but there's an inherent model that someone, somewhere, has to pay for the game. And that for them to be willing to pay, it has to be a valuable enough purchase for them to feel it's worth giving CCP their credit card.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:35:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Aurum can be effectively calculated as isk in relation to the weapon values. X Proto weapon costs Y isk, X aurum proto weapon costs X2 aurum, Aurum cost then is calculate like this: Y/X2=Z isk
As stated in my post, this really doesn't make any sense. Aurum gear is more valuable than ISK gear due to it's skill requirements. When a player market exists, I can guarantee you that Aurum gear will sell for a higher price than their ISK counterparts.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:05:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:CCP has stated in the past that the money generated by Dust doesn't actually even come close to covering the cost of development. It is the Eve players who are paying to produce this game so you can think about Aurum as paying devs all you want, I am sure some of the cash needed to keep the game going comes from Dust but the vast majority of it does not.
I would love to have some sort of evidence of this claim. If you have anything to back this, please post it here.
Draco Cerberus wrote:Having deals on Aurum items doesn't actually increase the rate at which players spend cash on the game, rather it allows them to buy more of the same assets they would purchase anyways. This in fact reduces their need to inject cash into the game and rather than increasing the cash flow for CCP more likely reduces it.
Actually, a lot of people will buy more than they need when things are on sale, or be encouraged to maybe make a jump to buying Aurum stuff when they haven't before. If sales didn't increase the amount of money brought in by a company, nobody would do sales on anything.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:10:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Bloody Hell, this has sod all to do with how CCP makes money or not, Only the imbalance between the AURUM getting massive discounts where non paying players do not.
I really don't see how you can equate any form of balance at all between ISK and AUR. ISK is a closed system in the game, it's created and destroyed in-game, whereas AUR is created at will by players buying packs of it on PSN. There's no relation between the two currencies.
Heavenly Daughter wrote:Try actually reading the post by draco this time.
I was actually responding to your indication "AS FOR CPM, NO" while quoting my general support for Aurum-purchased gear in general. I'd like to know more about what you take issue with about my statement.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:26:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:NO NO NO. !!!!
Can you, um... go into more detail on this?
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:35:00 -
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The idea that CCP intends to fund DUST with EVE subscriptions is pretty crazy. There'd have been no reason to make the game then. Sure, some revenue from EVE might be used to support the initial investment, but DUST needs to make money on it's own, or it won't be worth keeping long-term. Many indications I've heard are actually that DUST is indeed profitable. Though given the nature of game development, it will take a couple years until it makes back it's own development costs, which is not unusual for any MMO.
I really need a link and a if it's in a video, a timestamp, to go any further in discussing that claim.
People spending less on boosters and more on gear might actually be a good thing. Boosters help widen the SP gap between veterans and newbies. That being said, again, I really need to see the claim that discounts on gear is going to cause them to buy gear instead of boosters, rather than in addition to boosters. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me, and I don't think either of us have evidence that it is the case.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:48:00 -
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Yes, DUST was developed with other money than Aurum stuff. (Possibly some EVE revenue, and very likely outside investors.) But since CCP's a business, and they make things under the intention of turning a profit, the long term plan is obviously that DUST's own income, from Aurum, needs to eventually make back the money they invested in developing the game. And turn a profit on top of that.
I'm not going to go back and rewatch the entire YouTube history of CCP because someone makes an unsubstantiated claim on a forum post. If you want to claim it as a fact, you should be able to reference it.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:07:00 -
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Did you actually read the first paragraph of that post before you replied to it?
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:11:00 -
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I'm responding to Draco's claims. He brought the topic here.
Heavenly, I'm still waiting for you to clarify your responses, they haven't been really informative of your opinion, and I was trying to inquire for more detail.
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