DUST Search - My thoughts on swarms.

Nothing Certain wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Mojo XXXIII wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Would you happen to have a quote from a DEV stating this?

I'm pretty sure there isn't one. Swarms should be good at AV, but they should not be able to solo any vehicle regardless of fit. This is my issue with buffing them, save for the changes I mention in the OP.

Sooooo, a specifically anti-vehicle weapon that is incapable of destroying a vehicle? That's dumb.

It costs the same as any other AV weapon, requires the same SP commitments, and is completely useless against infantry, why shouldn't it be able to solo a vehicle, like ANY other AV weapon?

I'm not dumping 10 million skill points into a vehicle-specific weapon without the expectation that I will, in fact, be able to destroy vehicles with it.

Otherwise, why spec into it at all? To help someone else destroy a vehicle, maybe get a few damage points and, if I'm really lucky, an assist? Sorry, not worth it.

I'm not saying it should be EASY, just that it should be POSSIBLE, for ANY AV weapon to solo a vehicle.

Of course it should be possible to solo a vehicle with any AV weapon, that common sense and any tanker that denies that..... well.....

But it depends how easy that solo should be. I personally sit in the camp of not easy, otherwise the skill and feeling of reward goes out of tank busting. Consequently HAV should never be invulnerable to AV on a permanent basis...if ever...... but should I feel be able to be highly resistant for a short time, or able to strategically cycle modules.

So are you ever scared of a solo Swarmer taking you out? I doubt it, most tankers are free to ignore them if they want.


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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2609	Posted - 2014.04.22 13:49:00 - [1] - Quote Personally when it comes to AV the main problem is the tiers, swarm launchers have the highest gain per tier, while tanks have the lowest gain per tier as such a std swarm can't take on a std tank anymore than it could a proto mod tank. I like your idea of only increasing the damage per missile as opposed to an extra missile per tier. As for the magazine capacity I would like the operation skill to add an extra round per mag at levels 1,3,5 for a total of 6 at lvl 5. Additionally a max ammo capacity bonus for all AV weapons (SL, Plc, FG) wouldn't go amiss. Finally and purely for asethetic reasons, triple the amount missile per swarm, but take 2/3 damage per missile. I want a god damn swarm not a mild infestation. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2609	Posted - 2014.04.22 14:02:00 - [2] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Atiim wrote: Would you happen to have a quote from a DEV stating this? I'm pretty sure there isn't one. Swarms should be good at AV, but they should not be able to solo any vehicle regardless of fit. This is my issue with buffing them, save for the changes I mention in the OP. Sooooo, a specifically anti-vehicle weapon that is incapable of destroying a vehicle? That's dumb. It costs the same as any other AV weapon, requires the same SP commitments, and is completely useless against infantry, why shouldn't it be able to solo a vehicle, like ANY other AV weapon? I'm not dumping 10 million skill points into a vehicle-specific weapon without the expectation that I will, in fact, be able to destroy vehicles with it. Otherwise, why spec into it at all? To help someone else destroy a vehicle, maybe get a few damage points and, if I'm really lucky, an assist? Sorry, not worth it. I'm not saying it should be EASY, just that it should be POSSIBLE, for ANY AV weapon to solo a vehicle. Of course it should be possible to solo a vehicle with any AV weapon, that common sense and any tanker that denies that..... well..... But it depends how easy that solo should be. I personally sit in the camp of not easy, otherwise the skill and feeling of reward goes out of tank busting. Consequently HAV should never be invulnerable to AV on a permanent basis...if ever...... but should I feel be able to be highly resistant for a short time, or able to strategically cycle modules. So are you ever scared of a solo Swarmer taking you out? I doubt it, most tankers are free to ignore them if they want. I think your missing his point. He is saying by all means a swarm launcher should be capable of soloing any tank, but the AVer has to work hard for that kill. It shouldn't be as simple as pop, pop, pop dead tank. But at the same time a tanker should not be capable of just ignoring him while he slaughters nearby infantry. I already solo the dummer tankers already, you can usually place 2 RE on a stationary tanker before he notices, followed up by 2 packed AV gremades and 2 swarm volleys the RE's will often finish a tank. Done correctly I inflict about 9,000 - 18,000 damage in around 12 seconds. Most tankers don't know what hit them and those that do can't do nothing about it. However mobile tankers or tank swarms are currently impoosible due to lack of ammo capacity and the unbeatable accuracy of a blaster, you can't engage a tanker if he knows your there from the start, which more is the case more often than not. As fof Odigios, they are light AV, not A light V, they are as much a primary av weapon as forges or tanks. Anything but is secerly broken. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.