DUST Search - Issue with Triple SP event

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

The first batch of triple SP were just triple SP; everything was tripled. It was fair. This was is quite unfair to players that don't pull huge numbers. 4,500

Let's take a 15 minute Domination game.
Player A gets 300 WP. They get 4,800
Player B gets 800 WP. They get 5,300
Player C gets 1,500 WP. They get 6,000.

Cap is 190,400. Player A needs 40 games (10 hours), Player B needs 36 games (9 hours), and Player C needs 32 games (8 hours). Just picked the numbers randomly.

Triple SP, 5 times WP:
Player A gets 300 WP. They get 6,000
Player B gets 800 WP. They get 8,500
Player C gets 1,500 WP. They get 12,000.

Cap is 571,200. Player A caps in 96 games (24 hours), Player B caps in 68 games (17 hours), and Player C caps in 48 games (12 hours). Yes, everyone takes longer to cap unless you can pull in over 300 WP a minute in which case you are capping faster than before. However, it is particularly brutal to players that score low numbers. You may scoff at 300 but 800 means you killed 16 people. Someone not in a squad that goes 16/0 on the ground could very easily have around 800-1,000 WP. Take a look at your next match and see what numbers 8-12 are pulling. Imagine how much harder it is going to be for them to fill a pool that is three times larger with those numbers.

Analogy: everyone has to fill theur pool with water. Everyone has buckets, some are bigger, some are smaller, but everyone has a steady stream of water that is being put into their pool no matter how much water they can carry in the bucket. Someone says "I am going to help you out by giving you far, far larger buckets AND a larger pool to fill!" but don't change the stream of water. The people that 'are strong enough' to carry their massive buckets won't have a problem. For the people that can't carry as much water, they are going to be filling that pool for a long time.

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SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:05:00 - [1] - Quote It is time to earn extra Skill Points from April 16 to April 23! The event will start at 11:30am GMT on April 16 and end at 11:00am GMT on April 23. Players will receive 5 times the normal SP from War Points earned during a match. The weekly Skill Point cap will be boosted to 3 times the normal amount during the week as well, meaning that you will be able to earn as much as 970,000 SP during these dates! Happy hunting! I am not making 5X the amount. I earned in one match 11K, 14K, and 19K. The 19K was the only one where I got the 5X bonus. I am near the top of the scoreboard if not #1. So by CCP's equations if I make 11K in a match that equates to less than 2.5K for the match in SP on a normal day. This has happened in both Skirm and Dom. So who else feels that the SP award is not calculating correctly???
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 23	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:11:00 - [2] - Quote Well I capped out and was getting 25/38k sp per match. My issue is with the omega passive booster it's ment to be 100% more tho its not ticking 100% faster atleast it doesn't look like it. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Glantix Toketsu-Snow Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:11:00 - [3] - Quote SPACE SYPHILIS wrote: It is time to earn extra Skill Points from April 16 to April 23! The event will start at 11:30am GMT on April 16 and end at 11:00am GMT on April 23. Players will receive 5 times the normal SP from War Points earned during a match. The weekly Skill Point cap will be boosted to 3 times the normal amount during the week as well, meaning that you will be able to earn as much as 970,000 SP during these dates! Happy hunting! I am not making 5X the amount. I earned in one match 11K, 14K, and 19K. The 19K was the only one where I got the 5X bonus. I am near the top of the scoreboard if not #1. So by CCP's equations if I make 11K in a match that equates to less than 2.5K for the match in SP on a normal day. This has happened in both Skirm and Dom. So who else feels that the SP award is not calculating correctly??? It is not 5x the sp you earn, but 5x the sp based on the wp you earn. If remember correctly the sp calculation goes like this: 5x Number of Seconds Alive in Battle + Number of Wp Received = Sp gained But with the event it would become: 5x Number of Seconds Alive in Battle + 5x Number of Wp Received = Sp gained So you are not quite getting 5x sp, more like 2x to 4x depending on how well you do in the game.
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:24:00 - [4] - Quote Glantix Toketsu-Snow wrote: SPACE SYPHILIS wrote: It is time to earn extra Skill Points from April 16 to April 23! The event will start at 11:30am GMT on April 16 and end at 11:00am GMT on April 23. Players will receive 5 times the normal SP from War Points earned during a match. The weekly Skill Point cap will be boosted to 3 times the normal amount during the week as well, meaning that you will be able to earn as much as 970,000 SP during these dates! Happy hunting! I am not making 5X the amount. I earned in one match 11K, 14K, and 19K. The 19K was the only one where I got the 5X bonus. I am near the top of the scoreboard if not #1. So by CCP's equations if I make 11K in a match that equates to less than 2.5K for the match in SP on a normal day. This has happened in both Skirm and Dom. So who else feels that the SP award is not calculating correctly??? It is not 5x the sp you earn, but 5x the sp based on the wp you earn. If remember correctly the sp calculation goes like this: 5x Number of Seconds Alive in Battle + Number of Wp Received = Sp gained But with the event it would become: 5x Number of Seconds Alive in Battle + 5x Number of Wp Received = Sp gained So you are not quite getting 5x sp, more like 2x to 4x depending on how well you do in the game. Thank you for the reply. Problem is when you go 37-2, 2800+WP, 1st place and all you get is less than 13K before bonus its frustrating. I love these events but the grind is such a pain when it seems the points are not adding up.
Glantix Toketsu-Snow Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:27:00 - [5] - Quote I know what you are talking about, I am worried I won't be able to cap this week.
Nevyn Tazinas Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:39:00 - [6] - Quote SPACE SYPHILIS wrote: Thank you for the reply. Problem is when you go 37-2, 2800+WP, 1st place and all you get is less than 13K before bonus its frustrating. I love these events but the grind is such a pain when it seems the points are not adding up. Don't play tankbush matches then?
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1202	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:42:00 - [7] - Quote The first batch of triple SP were just triple SP; everything was tripled. It was fair. This was is quite unfair to players that don't pull huge numbers. 4,500 Let's take a 15 minute Domination game. Player A gets 300 WP. They get 4,800 Player B gets 800 WP. They get 5,300 Player C gets 1,500 WP. They get 6,000. Cap is 190,400. Player A needs 40 games (10 hours), Player B needs 36 games (9 hours), and Player C needs 32 games (8 hours). Just picked the numbers randomly. Triple SP, 5 times WP: Player A gets 300 WP. They get 6,000 Player B gets 800 WP. They get 8,500 Player C gets 1,500 WP. They get 12,000. Cap is 571,200. Player A caps in 96 games (24 hours), Player B caps in 68 games (17 hours), and Player C caps in 48 games (12 hours). Yes, everyone takes longer to cap unless you can pull in over 300 WP a minute in which case you are capping faster than before. However, it is particularly brutal to players that score low numbers. You may scoff at 300 but 800 means you killed 16 people. Someone not in a squad that goes 16/0 on the ground could very easily have around 800-1,000 WP. Take a look at your next match and see what numbers 8-12 are pulling. Imagine how much harder it is going to be for them to fill a pool that is three times larger with those numbers. Analogy: everyone has to fill theur pool with water. Everyone has buckets, some are bigger, some are smaller, but everyone has a steady stream of water that is being put into their pool no matter how much water they can carry in the bucket. Someone says "I am going to help you out by giving you far, far larger buckets AND a larger pool to fill!" but don't change the stream of water. The people that 'are strong enough' to carry their massive buckets won't have a problem. For the people that can't carry as much water, they are going to be filling that pool for a long time. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Nevyn Tazinas Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:52:00 - [8] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Analogy: everyone has to fill theur pool with water. Everyone has buckets, some are bigger, some are smaller, but everyone has a steady stream of water that is being put into their pool no matter how much water they can carry in the bucket. Someone says "I am going to help you out by giving you far, far larger buckets AND a larger pool to fill!" but don't change the stream of water. The people that 'are strong enough' to carry their massive buckets won't have a problem. For the people that can't carry as much water, they are going to be filling that pool for a long time. Except your analogy breaks. Because you don't 'have' to fill your pool each week. And however much you do fill it in your week, gets added to your bigger swimming pool out the back. And it's the size of the bigger pool out the back that really matters, so it's still a bonus. You can't swing '*5 SP' as an unfair penalty in any way, shape or form.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 733	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:55:00 - [9] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The first batch of triple SP were just triple SP; everything was tripled. It was fair. This was is quite unfair to players that don't pull huge numbers. 4,500 Let's take a 15 minute Domination game. Player A gets 300 WP. They get 4,800 Player B gets 800 WP. They get 5,300 Player C gets 1,500 WP. They get 6,000. Cap is 190,400. Player A needs 40 games (10 hours), Player B needs 36 games (9 hours), and Player C needs 32 games (8 hours). Just picked the numbers randomly. Triple SP, 5 times WP: Player A gets 300 WP. They get 6,000 Player B gets 800 WP. They get 8,500 Player C gets 1,500 WP. They get 12,000. Cap is 571,200. Player A caps in 96 games (24 hours), Player B caps in 68 games (17 hours), and Player C caps in 48 games (12 hours). Yes, everyone takes longer to cap unless you can pull in over 300 WP a minute in which case you are capping faster than before. However, it is particularly brutal to players that score low numbers. You may scoff at 300 but 800 means you killed 16 people. Someone not in a squad that goes 16/0 on the ground could very easily have around 800-1,000 WP. Take a look at your next match and see what numbers 8-12 are pulling. Imagine how much harder it is going to be for them to fill a pool that is three times larger with those numbers. Analogy: everyone has to fill theur pool with water. Everyone has buckets, some are bigger, some are smaller, but everyone has a steady stream of water that is being put into their pool no matter how much water they can carry in the bucket. Someone says "I am going to help you out by giving you far, far larger buckets AND a larger pool to fill!" but don't change the stream of water. The people that 'are strong enough' to carry their massive buckets won't have a problem. For the people that can't carry as much water, they are going to be filling that pool for a long time. As a primary FG user, these events are king. I simply act like an HAV and destroy all installations on the board, even redlined ones. Then I go for the supply depots followed by the CRUs. So much WP, so little time. At the end do the day, no one gets
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 878	Posted - 2014.04.20 08:18:00 - [10] - Quote SPACE SYPHILIS wrote: I love these events but the grind is such a pain when it seems the points are not adding up. This event feels INCREDIBLY grindy. Actually, I'd much rather prefer the Commando/sidearm or million clone challenge ones. At least those were fun while doing it and you sort of got a bonus while having fun. All this events like the current one does is encourage all the protostompers to come out and ** and pillage everyone on the field. It's really not fun getting **** over and over because of obviously better geared (and match made lolol) teams--at least not like this. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5178	Posted - 2014.04.20 08:41:00 - [11] - Quote You guys know you get WP for actions that AREN'T killing too, right? You don't need to be strong enough to carry the big bucket if you're smart enough to set up a nice pulley system over the pool that carries the buckets for you. I've been at the top of the scoreboard with 0/9 in a recent match. How? The occasional Assist, LOTS of team spawns from a couple of well-placed Uplinks, near-constant Repair Tool WP and Nanohives, stacked onto my position as squad leader with a good amount of commission.
LT Dans Legs Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 371	Posted - 2014.04.20 09:54:00 - [12] - Quote SPACE SYPHILIS wrote: It is time to earn extra Skill Points from April 16 to April 23! The event will start at 11:30am GMT on April 16 and end at 11:00am GMT on April 23. Players will receive 5 times the normal SP from War Points earned during a match. The weekly Skill Point cap will be boosted to 3 times the normal amount during the week as well, meaning that you will be able to earn as much as 970,000 SP during these dates! Happy hunting! I am not making 5X the amount. I earned in one match 11K, 14K, and 19K. The 19K was the only one where I got the 5X bonus. I am near the top of the scoreboard if not #1. So by CCP's equations if I make 11K in a match that equates to less than 2.5K for the match in SP on a normal day. This has happened in both Skirm and Dom. So who else feels that the SP award is not calculating correctly??? Wait, what? Something doesn't work in this game? I don't know about all that. To Live Is To Die
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 391	Posted - 2014.04.20 09:59:00 - [13] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well I capped out and was getting 25/38k sp per match. My issue is with the omega passive booster it's ment to be 100% more tho its not ticking 100% faster atleast it doesn't look like it. This is really easy to check, just see what points you have at one minute. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5178	Posted - 2014.04.20 10:06:00 - [14] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: steelRatt wrote: Well I capped out and was getting 25/38k sp per match. My issue is with the omega passive booster it's ment to be 100% more tho its not ticking 100% faster atleast it doesn't look like it. This is really easy to check, just see what points you have at one minute. I don't honestly think it ticks faster at all. I think it ticks for 2 SP instead of 1 each time. I haven't used a passive booster on my own account though, only seen it on a friend's account.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1204	Posted - 2014.04.20 10:59:00 - [15] - Quote Nevyn Tazinas wrote: Except your analogy breaks. Because you don't 'have' to fill your pool each week. And however much you do fill it in your week, gets added to your bigger swimming pool out the back. And it's the size of the bigger pool out the back that really matters, so it's still a bonus. You can't swing '*5 SP' as an unfair penalty in any way, shape or form. It is a bonus but it is far, far harder to cap for those that don't pull in the huge numbers. I understand it is "I won the lottery; that sucks because now I have to pay taxes" but it is a bonus that certain people are more easily to capitalize on compared to others. That is where it is unfair. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 682	Posted - 2014.04.20 20:13:00 - [16] - Quote I much preferred the original 2 and 3 times events where everything was triple/double not just WP. It was much less of a grind.
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 214	Posted - 2014.04.20 20:23:00 - [17] - Quote "Fair" doesn't come into the equation at all from how it's being defined up there. We are all getting the same calculations; you are just dissappointed you aren't getting more. Don't worry about it, man. Play. Have fun. Listen to guys like me rage when we die the 14th time. It's hilarious. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.


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