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Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 150	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:22:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves. But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery. Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs ) Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with ***** suit and hmg.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6913	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:25:00 - [2] - Quote Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range. Thoughts? Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS] -HAND
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 166	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:37:00 - [3] - Quote Sometimes I will throw a M1 grenade at the heavy and try to time my SG to go off either just after or just before the grenade, gives a nice big surprise to the heavy, and then my second SG shot will finish them off usually, sometimes it takes a third shot. Without the grenade most heavies go down in 3 shots, the first 2 you usually get off before they have a chance to shoot at you.
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 166	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:38:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range. Thoughts? Longer range than the bolt gun or longer range than the gallente plasma shotgun?
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 150	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:38:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range. Thoughts? Could be.. or atleast some fix for breach sg. (120more dmg for only 2size ammo with shited rof)
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 150	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:44:00 - [6] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: Sometimes I will throw a M1 grenade at the heavy and try to time my SG to go off either just after or just before the grenade, gives a nice big surprise to the heavy, and then my second SG shot will finish them off usually, sometimes it takes a third shot. Without the grenade most heavies go down in 3 shots, the first 2 you usually get off before they have a chance to shoot at you. First shoot rips shield, and need 2-3 for armor (heavies run around 800-1000armor on, so and yeah, not always 100% pellets hit)
castba Penguin's March 380	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:45:00 - [7] - Quote Do not understand. Sometimes you kill the heavy, sometimes they kill you so you think that it is unfair?
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 166	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:48:00 - [8] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: Sometimes I will throw a M1 grenade at the heavy and try to time my SG to go off either just after or just before the grenade, gives a nice big surprise to the heavy, and then my second SG shot will finish them off usually, sometimes it takes a third shot. Without the grenade most heavies go down in 3 shots, the first 2 you usually get off before they have a chance to shoot at you. First shoot rips shield, and need 2-3 for armor (heavies run around 800-1000armor on, so and yeah, not always 100% pellets hit) I usually use a creodon so I dunno.. different experience? Nothin to say about my grenade idea?
Criteria Shipment Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 813	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:49:00 - [9] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves. But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery. Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs ) Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with ***** suit and hmg. Yea uh, caldari scout with a shotgun and IDK what the hell kind of shield extenders prove them invincible against my HMG. I still am able to turn around...... thank you high sensitivity. Goodbye, world! (püú-ÿ+í-ÿ-é)
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 198	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:50:00 - [10] - Quote I'm a Heavy myself and still a Logistics player. In my Minmatar Logistics, all I have is speed to get away from you IF I get lucky, But to the task at hand. Heavies versus scouts. They counter each other in almost every situation we the players could think of. The SG if you catch us off guard which is easy to do you will get that kill depending on how you aim. The CR is another option since it gives you the range advantage in that scout suit. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.

Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2027	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:53:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range. Thoughts? There's no point in another shotty. No. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6916	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range. Thoughts? There's no point in another shotty. No. Yes there is. It's called diversity. Though with that logic, there's no point in an Amarr or Minmatar AV weapon either, nor is there a point in having the racial knife weapons. Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS] -HAND
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2739	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:00:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range. Thoughts? There's no point in another shotty. No. Yes there is. It's called diversity. Though with that logic, there's no point in an Amarr or Minmatar AV weapon either, nor is there a point in having the racial knife weapons. Racial knives are stupid, though. I mean, what kind of different functionality can they have? ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6917	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:01:00 - [14] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: Atiim wrote: Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range. Thoughts? Longer range than the bolt gun or longer range than the gallente plasma shotgun? Longer range than the Bolt Pistol, but not as much ganking power. Mejt0 wrote: Could be.. or atleast some fix for breach sg. (120more dmg for only 2size ammo with shited rof) I'd say both would be best. I'd just give the Breach SG a 3 round clip, and the ability to fire without reloading the entire clip (like other SG variants). Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS] -HAND
Nelo Angel0 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 237	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:01:00 - [15] - Quote Time to kill peoples hope for new shotguns. What if the shotgun is gallentes special weapon? Thus making the special weapon group: Minitard- Mass Driver Amarr- Laser Rifle Gallente- Shotgun Caldari-??? edit: (REs?) CCP did say the mass driver might just be a placeholder at light AV until something else added.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 150	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:03:00 - [16] - Quote castba wrote: Do not understand. Sometimes you kill the heavy, sometimes they kill you so you think that it is unfair? If they kill me because i fail / or they saw me then its good. Im talking about deaths when i can catch somebody offguard from bh firing first shoot, and heavy have the ability to jump, turn around (they should turn some slower than scouts) and OHK me. Then its not okay.
Spike Slania CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 33	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:10:00 - [17] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: castba wrote: Do not understand. Sometimes you kill the heavy, sometimes they kill you so you think that it is unfair? If they kill me because i fail / or they saw me then its good. Im talking about deaths when i can catch somebody offguard from bh firing first shoot, and heavy have the ability to jump, turn around (they should turn some slower than scouts) and OHK me. Then its not okay. That's the reason we play heavies, so we can tank damage, not die in 2 shots before noticing where it came from which happens already with shotguns. People are crying for a buff for the shotgun when they already kill a proto sentinel in 2-3 shots, the Snipers are jealous of you guys I'm not too far from you, I can't wait to see you, again and again
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 203	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:21:00 - [18] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Time to kill peoples hope for new shotguns. What if the shotgun is gallentes special weapon? Thus making the special weapon group: Minitard- Mass Driver Amarr- Laser Rifle Gallente- Shotgun Caldari-??? edit: (REs?) CCP did say the mass driver might just be a placeholder at light AV until something else added. REs for caldari?.... Explosives are minmatar... Caldari are Rails, Gallente are plasma, Amar are lasers that go pew pew... Anyway i would want another shot gun, a sexier looking shotgun, because right now the shotgun just looks like... a ball thing?
Nelo Angel0 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 237	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:52:00 - [19] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Time to kill peoples hope for new shotguns. What if the shotgun is gallentes special weapon? Thus making the special weapon group: Minmitard- Mass Driver Amarr- Laser Rifle Gallente- Shotgun Caldari-??? edit: (REs?) CCP did say the mass driver might just be a placeholder at light AV until something else added. REs for caldari?.... Explosives are minmatar... Caldari are Rails, Gallente are plasma, Amar are lasers that go pew pew... Anyway i would want another shot gun, a sexier looking shotgun, because right now the shotgun just looks like... a ball thing? If the REs are minmitard its a different story. But assuming they weren't i'd put them under Caldari special weapon. So no more shotguns if the shotty is a special weapon
MythTanker The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 94	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:06:00 - [20] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves. But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery. Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs ) Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with *** suit and hmg. It is spelled "sentinel" If you nerf my turn speed they better take your *** SG away so it involves skill for you to kill them. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton

Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6926	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:07:00 - [21] - Quote MythTanker wrote: It is spelled "sentinel" If you nerf my turn speed they better take your ***** SG away so it involves skill for you to kill them. You say that as if using an HMG requires skill. Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS] -HAND
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 160	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:09:00 - [22] - Quote Thing is about that, to kill either of these types is to catch them with their pants down. That's all you need to do. Official DNS alt The official panty monk of FA.
MythTanker The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 94	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:12:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: MythTanker wrote: It is spelled "sentinel" If you nerf my turn speed they better take your ***** SG away so it involves skill for you to kill them. You say that as if using an HMG requires skill. The weapon doesnt, the suit does. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Spike Slania CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 35	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:13:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: MythTanker wrote: It is spelled "sentinel" If you nerf my turn speed they better take your ***** SG away so it involves skill for you to kill them. You say that as if using an HMG requires skill. It is a great risk. You have to learn to keep to the sides and cover, the HMG has a major flaw in how effective it is at range. It isn't like a Scout which can cloak and run fast and flank. Yes, it might be the general thought that Sentinel's with HMGs are just dumb bricks that charge at the enemy spewing hot lead every where. But let me tell how far that will get you as a Sentinel. Normally dead charging out against weapons that actually have Range. Our mobility is limited, our range is limited, only thing we have is health and resistance. It's not like we are an Infantry version of a Blaster Tank. You will learn quick who are just scrubs using a Sentinel charging out across an open plain firing a HMG and who actually knows how to advanced with it's limited speed and range. I'm not too far from you, I can't wait to see you, again and again
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1167	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:13:00 - [25] - Quote I can't be bothered to read this. Is this another post saying SG's are UP just cus a heavy takes more shots than a mid frame? I don't use the shotgun but plenty of heavies have gone down to my weakling Min scout with basic Ion pistol and SMG, so I don't see how their turning ability can be that bad considering how much time I need to take to achieve the same effect. Hell, When I Min sentinel all my 2x resistance to armour grants me is the ability to take an extra shot before I go down anyway. On rare occasions I might be able to turn but actually killing the guy is more down to his panic firing and missing. So seems fair to me. I do wonder though if the resistances are working properly though sometimes "...and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death."
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 326	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:20:00 - [26] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves. But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery. Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs ) Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with ***** suit and hmg. The problem is the HMG is too powerful, heavy's can literally do 360s and demolish everything in their path. "One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s. You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.
Foxbat 071 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 158	Posted - 2014.04.19 20:46:00 - [27] - Quote I think another shotgun would be a good idea. One for shields, one for armor. It could be a Minmatar automatic shotgun. Something like this. *BLAP* ( X ) Call For Help ( O ) Respawn
Boot Booter Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 516	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:09:00 - [28] - Quote Minmatar auto shotty. That's what we need. Caldari special weapon is the sniper rifle. SMG Specialist
Savaekin 2046 Blades of the Darkmoon 12	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:09:00 - [29] - Quote I do think the Breach SG needs help it shoots too slow for the little damage it does maybe add a double barrel for two shots at once.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 677	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:10:00 - [30] - Quote Over under double barrelled grenade shotgun with selectable ammo.

Nelo Angel0 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 237	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:33:00 - [31] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves. But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery. Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs ) Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with *** suit and hmg. The problem is the HMG is too powerful, heavy's can literally do 360**s and demolish everything in their path. what talk about one thing and stick to it don't go trying to mix up your arguement here.
Nelo Angel0 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 237	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:35:00 - [32] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Minmatar auto shotty. That's what we need. Caldari special weapon is the sniper rifle. Sorry to say it's not. The percesion rifle is suppose to be the minmitard sniper there's more coming.
Hyuan BubblePOP Uber Wanabes 8	Posted - 2014.04.21 02:40:00 - [33] - Quote tell the devs to remove km/m support, if you dont heavy to spin a dime and hmg you to the face.... oh wait ... then your scout super strafe speed is nurf.......
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:41:00 - [34] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves. But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery. Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs ) Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with *** suit and hmg. Sorry I am going to say F* that. Why, I am so sick of scrub cloaked SG players. I am taking on two people and I drop them. This Piece of excrement will come up and decloak while I am turned and shoots me in the back. Ok I get it they are supposed to be like this, wrong the balance is off. When I have 5 in passive radar skill and I still cant pick up not even a blip from when they are standing next to me is BS. If scouts can cloak heavies can LAV, that's all I have to say.


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