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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:22:00 -
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Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves.
But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery.
Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs *)
Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with ****** suit and hmg.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
6913
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:25:00 -
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Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range.
Thoughts?
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Banjo Robertson
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:37:00 -
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Sometimes I will throw a M1 grenade at the heavy and try to time my SG to go off either just after or just before the grenade, gives a nice big surprise to the heavy, and then my second SG shot will finish them off usually, sometimes it takes a third shot.
Without the grenade most heavies go down in 3 shots, the first 2 you usually get off before they have a chance to shoot at you. |
Banjo Robertson
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range.
Thoughts?
Longer range than the bolt gun or longer range than the gallente plasma shotgun? |
Mejt0
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range.
Thoughts?
Could be.. or atleast some fix for breach sg. (120more dmg for only 2size ammo with shited rof) |
Mejt0
Made in Poland...
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:44:00 -
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Banjo Robertson wrote:Sometimes I will throw a M1 grenade at the heavy and try to time my SG to go off either just after or just before the grenade, gives a nice big surprise to the heavy, and then my second SG shot will finish them off usually, sometimes it takes a third shot.
Without the grenade most heavies go down in 3 shots, the first 2 you usually get off before they have a chance to shoot at you.
First shoot rips shield, and need 2-3 for armor (heavies run around 800-1000armor on, so and yeah, not always 100% pellets hit) |
castba
Penguin's March
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:45:00 -
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Do not understand.
Sometimes you kill the heavy, sometimes they kill you so you think that it is unfair? |
Banjo Robertson
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:48:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Banjo Robertson wrote:Sometimes I will throw a M1 grenade at the heavy and try to time my SG to go off either just after or just before the grenade, gives a nice big surprise to the heavy, and then my second SG shot will finish them off usually, sometimes it takes a third shot.
Without the grenade most heavies go down in 3 shots, the first 2 you usually get off before they have a chance to shoot at you. First shoot rips shield, and need 2-3 for armor (heavies run around 800-1000armor on, so and yeah, not always 100% pellets hit)
I usually use a creodon so I dunno.. different experience? Nothin to say about my grenade idea? |
Criteria Shipment
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:49:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves.
But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery.
Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs *)
Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with ****** suit and hmg.
Yea uh, caldari scout with a shotgun and IDK what the hell kind of shield extenders prove them invincible against my HMG. I still am able to turn around...... thank you high sensitivity.
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Dj grammer
Red Star.
EoN.
198
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:50:00 -
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I'm a Heavy myself and still a Logistics player. In my Minmatar Logistics, all I have is speed to get away from you IF I get lucky,
But to the task at hand. Heavies versus scouts. They counter each other in almost every situation we the players could think of.
The SG if you catch us off guard which is easy to do you will get that kill depending on how you aim. The CR is another option since it gives you the range advantage in that scout suit.
Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet.
Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0.
Yea that old.
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2027
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:53:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range.
Thoughts?
There's no point in another shotty. No.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
6916
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:57:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range.
Thoughts? There's no point in another shotty. No.
Yes there is. It's called diversity.
Though with that logic, there's no point in an Amarr or Minmatar AV weapon either, nor is there a point in having the racial knife weapons.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:00:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range.
Thoughts? There's no point in another shotty. No. Yes there is. It's called diversity. Though with that logic, there's no point in an Amarr or Minmatar AV weapon either, nor is there a point in having the racial knife weapons.
Racial knives are stupid, though.
I mean, what kind of different functionality can they have?
ak.0 4 LYFE
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
6917
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:01:00 -
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Banjo Robertson wrote:Atiim wrote:Bolt Shotgun, basically the Bolt Pistol's big brother, but with a tad more damage and longer range.
Thoughts? Longer range than the bolt gun or longer range than the gallente plasma shotgun?
Longer range than the Bolt Pistol, but not as much ganking power.
Mejt0 wrote:Could be.. or atleast some fix for breach sg. (120more dmg for only 2size ammo with shited rof)
I'd say both would be best.
I'd just give the Breach SG a 3 round clip, and the ability to fire without reloading the entire clip (like other SG variants).
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Nelo Angel0
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:01:00 -
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Time to kill peoples hope for new shotguns. What if the shotgun is gallentes special weapon? Thus making the special weapon group:
Minitard- Mass Driver
Amarr- Laser Rifle
Gallente- Shotgun
Caldari-??? edit: (REs?)
CCP did say the mass driver might just be a placeholder at light AV until something else added. |
Mejt0
Made in Poland...
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:03:00 -
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castba wrote:Do not understand.
Sometimes you kill the heavy, sometimes they kill you so you think that it is unfair?
If they kill me because i fail / or they saw me then its good.
Im talking about deaths when i can catch somebody offguard from bh firing first shoot, and heavy have the ability to jump, turn around (they should turn some slower than scouts) and OHK me. Then its not okay.
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Spike Slania
CREATURES OF THE NIGHT
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:10:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:castba wrote:Do not understand.
Sometimes you kill the heavy, sometimes they kill you so you think that it is unfair? If they kill me because i fail / or they saw me then its good. Im talking about deaths when i can catch somebody offguard from bh firing first shoot, and heavy have the ability to jump, turn around (they should turn some slower than scouts) and OHK me. Then its not okay.
That's the reason we play heavies, so we can tank damage, not die in 2 shots before noticing where it came from which happens already with shotguns. People are crying for a buff for the shotgun when they already kill a proto sentinel in 2-3 shots, the Snipers are jealous of you guys
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Louis Domi
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:21:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:Time to kill peoples hope for new shotguns. What if the shotgun is gallentes special weapon? Thus making the special weapon group:
Minitard- Mass Driver
Amarr- Laser Rifle
Gallente- Shotgun
Caldari-??? edit: (REs?)
CCP did say the mass driver might just be a placeholder at light AV until something else added.
REs for caldari?.... Explosives are minmatar... Caldari are Rails, Gallente are plasma, Amar are lasers that go pew pew...
Anyway i would want another shot gun, a sexier looking shotgun, because right now the shotgun just looks like... a ball thing? |
Nelo Angel0
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
237
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:52:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:Time to kill peoples hope for new shotguns. What if the shotgun is gallentes special weapon? Thus making the special weapon group:
Minmitard- Mass Driver
Amarr- Laser Rifle
Gallente- Shotgun
Caldari-??? edit: (REs?)
CCP did say the mass driver might just be a placeholder at light AV until something else added. REs for caldari?.... Explosives are minmatar... Caldari are Rails, Gallente are plasma, Amar are lasers that go pew pew... Anyway i would want another shot gun, a sexier looking shotgun, because right now the shotgun just looks like... a ball thing?
If the REs are minmitard its a different story. But assuming they weren't i'd put them under Caldari special weapon. So no more shotguns if the shotty is a special weapon  |
MythTanker
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
94
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:06:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves.
But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery.
Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs *)
Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with ****** suit and hmg.
It is spelled "sentinel" If you nerf my turn speed they better take your ***** SG away so it involves skill for you to kill them.
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:07:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:
It is spelled "sentinel" If you nerf my turn speed they better take your ***** SG away so it involves skill for you to kill them.
You say that as if using an HMG requires skill.
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yep derrith again
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:09:00 -
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Thing is about that, to kill either of these types is to catch them with their pants down. That's all you need to do.
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MythTanker
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
94
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:MythTanker wrote:
It is spelled "sentinel" If you nerf my turn speed they better take your ***** SG away so it involves skill for you to kill them.
You say that as if using an HMG requires skill.
The weapon doesnt, the suit does.
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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Spike Slania
CREATURES OF THE NIGHT
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:13:00 -
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Atiim wrote:MythTanker wrote:
It is spelled "sentinel" If you nerf my turn speed they better take your ***** SG away so it involves skill for you to kill them.
You say that as if using an HMG requires skill.
It is a great risk. You have to learn to keep to the sides and cover, the HMG has a major flaw in how effective it is at range. It isn't like a Scout which can cloak and run fast and flank. Yes, it might be the general thought that Sentinel's with HMGs are just dumb bricks that charge at the enemy spewing hot lead every where. But let me tell how far that will get you as a Sentinel. Normally dead charging out against weapons that actually have Range. Our mobility is limited, our range is limited, only thing we have is health and resistance. It's not like we are an Infantry version of a Blaster Tank. You will learn quick who are just scrubs using a Sentinel charging out across an open plain firing a HMG and who actually knows how to advanced with it's limited speed and range.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
1167
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:13:00 -
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I can't be bothered to read this. Is this another post saying SG's are UP just cus a heavy takes more shots than a mid frame?
I don't use the shotgun but plenty of heavies have gone down to my weakling Min scout with basic Ion pistol and SMG, so I don't see how their turning ability can be that bad considering how much time I need to take to achieve the same effect.
Hell, When I Min sentinel all my 2x resistance to armour grants me is the ability to take an extra shot before I go down anyway. On rare occasions I might be able to turn but actually killing the guy is more down to his panic firing and missing. So seems fair to me. I do wonder though if the resistances are working properly though sometimes 
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
326
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:20:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Scouts and heavies are counters of themselves.
But.. with SG dmg profile, its like lottery.
Ill kill that heavy by out strafing him or.. he will turn around after my 2nd shoot and KO me. (in situation when scout gets 1m by heavy ass, im also talking about normal players * read not noobs *)
Either we need SG for armor (caldari/minni sg?) or heavies stop turn like skiny dancer with ****** suit and hmg.
The problem is the HMG is too powerful, heavy's can literally do 360s and demolish everything in their path.
"One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s.
You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.
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Foxbat 071
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
158
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Posted - 2014.04.19 20:46:00 -
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I think another shotgun would be a good idea. One for shields, one for armor. It could be a Minmatar automatic shotgun. Something like this.
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Boot Booter
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
516
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:09:00 -
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Minmatar auto shotty. That's what we need.
Caldari special weapon is the sniper rifle.
SMG Specialist
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Savaekin 2046
Blades of the Darkmoon
12
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:09:00 -
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I do think the Breach SG needs help it shoots too slow for the little damage it does maybe add a double barrel for two shots at once.  |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
677
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:10:00 -
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Over under double barrelled grenade shotgun with selectable ammo. |
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