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Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 331	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:11:00 - [1] - Quote I say maybe... As long as there is carreer wp matchmaking as well. Otherwise people such as myself, who dont have the free time or the stock of hotpockets required to poopsock, wont be able to use proto. I enjoy using proto stuff but im no 40-0 nolifer. I say use carrer wp to match make. Carrer sp and strict suit sorting will only help those who play a lot. People who dont play much or come back after a long break will have a large amount of passive sp but not much skill and they'll still get rolled. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4284	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:29:00 - [2] - Quote Or the easiest way would be to have meta level matchmaking..... And make separate matches this based on that, there could be basic matches (where suits with a total meta of 20* or lower can be used) and just repeat that for other tiered matches * numbers are just examples they can be changed. Alpha Response Command (ALREC) The premier training corp for commandos. Apply today!
Meknow Intaki 135	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:20:00 - [3] - Quote From a sporting point of view you wouldn't put a high school football team (basic) up against a university (advanced) of NFL (proto) team =ƒÿ£=ƒÿà I guess people out there would like to see that http://www.youtube.com/embed/OFtfVxbvcXE?autoplay=1
Bubba Rector BR514 21	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:21:00 - [4] - Quote Gear restricted matchmaking will not solve the issue of stomping. The corps that Q-sync 12 or more members in a match will just turn it into ADV-Stomp or MLT-Stomp. What we need is a system that matches by squad or corp count.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1989	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:26:00 - [5] - Quote i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 22	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:30:00 - [6] - Quote Easy solution. Add gear scores to items or just split between standard, adv or proto suits. You'd select a primary and secondary suit ahead of time. Highest suit counts toward match level. Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 22	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:33:00 - [7] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 333	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:34:00 - [8] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. Because no one plays right now. They're all tired of being rolled. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 22	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:36:00 - [9] - Quote Bubba Rector wrote: Gear restricted matchmaking will not solve the issue of stomping. The corps that Q-sync 12 or more members in a match will just turn it into ADV-Stomp or MLT-Stomp. What we need is a system that matches by squad or corp count. At least it will be based more on team work and strategy. At the moment it really isn't. I've seen matches where the other team was doing its best but still couldn't manage because they were being mowed down 3 to every bricked proto user. Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1989	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:36:00 - [10] - Quote Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING

Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 334	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:42:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:49:00 - [12] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. i think you missed the point where if you segregate the community further the player pool you can play against will be TINY so either 15-30min que times... or your fighting the exact same people over and over again the teams only changing when new players log on and old ones log off or stop queing up. the solution to the problem is a bigger player pool not a smaller one. because a stomp squad queing for ADV tier is still going to get put into a game with you due to lack of other players available in the que. segregating the players in any way makes matchmaking and stomping even worse. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Bubba Rector BR514 21	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:52:00 - [13] - Quote but I like hot pockets.... In all seriousness tho, it would divide the community. Any suggestion would. The 12+ man teams happen on both sides of the field. Why not match them together?
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 334	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:55:00 - [14] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. i think you missed the point where if you segregate the community further the player pool you can play against will be TINY so either 15-30min que times... or your fighting the exact same people over and over again the teams only changing when new players log on and old ones log off or stop queing up. the solution to the problem is a bigger player pool not a smaller one. because a stomp squad queing for ADV tier is still going to get put into a game with you due to lack of other players available in the que. segregating the players in any way makes matchmaking and stomping even worse. No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1694	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:56:00 - [15] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... CEO Whiskey squad leader Once Bitten Twice Shy....
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:57:00 - [16] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 336	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:07:00 - [18] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool since you cant eliminate the stomping and improve the matchmaking without the larger player pool, your not going to get a larger player pool. With improved MM, it will be tight for awhile and there may be large wait times, but as news grows that MM is better, so will the pool and time will shrink. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
howard sanchez YELLOWCAB SERVICES 889	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:07:00 - [19] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:11:00 - [20] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again? my suggestion is to not implement things that will not only make the problem worse and not fix anything but also create new problems. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING

howard sanchez YELLOWCAB SERVICES 889	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:14:00 - [21] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again? my suggestion is to not implement things that will not only make the problem worse and not fix anything but also create new problems. Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 336	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:15:00 - [22] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again? my suggestion is to not implement things that will not only make the problem worse and not fix anything but also create new problems. It sounds to me (us), that you just dont want to go against people, who could actually beat you on a reg basis. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Maximos Forcus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:27:00 - [23] - Quote Large squads, and the ability to q-sync, are an issue. Using specific gear is "just like real life" and the rich and/or powerful will be better at dominating. Taking that out of the game is killing it. Why buy AUR for gear if it doesn't improve your chances on the field? And no AUR means a swift end to the game. Pub matches should be more about random and small teams, as the in-game description suggests. So limit the squad sizes to a max. of 1/4 of a side (so 4 for the current 16 v. 16) and add some intelligence making syncing fail in 90% of the time. You might still get stomped, but the chances of lopsidedness will diminish significantly. Three lefts don't make a right. Unless you're two dimensional and only know right angles.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 332	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:30:00 - [24] - Quote If we don't do matchmaking now, it will never happen. CCP had an year to do it, and back when we had 9,000 players online at any given time was the perfect time to do it. But they screwed it over, so now we have this playerbase. If we use Gear ranking, the only ways you could get stomped are, the opposing team has better gungame, tank spam, and corp sync. If you haven't made a new character to try out Academy, do it now. You will see how different it is because all that matters is gungame(and of course the objective of the game). Two of these problems can be solved. Vehicle Spam: Limit Numbers of each Vehicle class. EX: 3 HAV, 4 DS, no limit for LAVs. Corp Sync: Bring back Corp Battles, or only allow one full squad of each corp per side. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 337	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:50:00 - [25] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: If we don't do matchmaking now, it will never happen. CCP had an year to do it, and back when we had 9,000 players online at any given time was the perfect time to do it. But they screwed it over, so now we have this playerbase. If we use Gear ranking, the only ways you could get stomped are, the opposing team has better gungame, tank spam, and corp sync. If you haven't made a new character to try out Academy, do it now. You will see how different it is because all that matters is gungame(and of course the objective of the game). Two of these problems can be solved. Vehicle Spam: Limit Numbers of each Vehicle class. EX: 3 HAV, 4 DS, no limit for LAVs. Corp Sync: Bring back Corp Battles, or only allow one full squad of each corp per side. I dont know if I would be that facetious about it, theyll do it eventually. Im hoping FanFest brings much needed air to this game. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:56:00 - [26] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:58:00 - [27] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: It sounds to me (us), that you just dont want to go against people, who could actually beat you on a reg basis. please explain to me how you came to that conclusion based off me saying "games broke, this solution breaks it even more" I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 338	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:00:00 - [28] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 25	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:07:00 - [29] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys But if everybody is matched according to gear then there won't be any QQing except maybe where it belongs which is over team play and strategy. Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 722	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:08:00 - [30] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? I think you are under the impression that your opinion is more then just that, an opinion. Others are disagreeing with you chance, Maybe you should get over it.

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1991	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:10:00 - [31] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1. basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket. ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist. proto will be a ghost town. so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now and one ghost town. nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever. new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes) anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR. becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets. theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have. and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 339	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:13:00 - [32] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1. basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket. ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist. proto will be a ghost town. so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now and one ghost town. nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever. new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes) anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR. becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets. theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have. and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works. Ok, so now that you elaborated on your position. It is clear you did not read my whole post. I said we need more than just gear in MM, so what you just said, wont happen. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1991	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:17:00 - [33] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1. basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket. ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist. proto will be a ghost town. so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now and one ghost town. nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever. new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes) anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR. becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets. theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have. and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works. Ok, so now that you elaborated on your position. It is clear you did not read my whole post. I said we need more than just gear in MM, so what you just said, wont happen. it will happen, its impossable for it not to happen. unless you want 30-40min wait times for games. why? because the same people who can minmax the living daylights out of thigns can rig matchmaking. i can always tell when my matchmaking rating goes up in the matchmaking we have right now. and to fix that i just run joke fits for a week and then enjoy 3 more weeks of stomping. not only that but becuase 2 of those brackets are super easy to get into on a completly fresh character you can make a new character every damn week with a refreshed matchmaking rating and just stomp the living daylights out of the mlt and basic tiers when your matchmaking rating gets too high you delete the character and make a new one. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 339	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:29:00 - [34] - Quote So you admit to being part of the problem and surprise surprise, you don't want it fixed. If a few want to remake characters to only stomp, so be it, but the majority will move on and play the way they should. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2749	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:40:00 - [35] - Quote Were I a new player I would prefer to fight minmaxed MLT AR heavies as opposed to minmaxed PRO scouts. So whatever. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1991	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:43:00 - [36] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: So you admit to being part of the problem and surprise surprise, you don't want it fixed. If a few want to remake characters to only stomp, so be it, but the majority will move on and play the way they should. i run around in ADV gear all day, and since i run solo and my matchmaking rating is stupid high i run AGAINST full proto stomping squads :P your welcome and your assertation that i dont want it fixed is inccorect and unfounded, if i diddnt want it fixed i wouldnt be posting in this thread trying to explain why this solution not only doesnt fix it but makes it worse. if i diddnt want it fixed i would be voting for this, as it makes one sided stomping ALOT easyer I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 674	Posted - 2014.04.19 20:16:00 - [37] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool since you cant eliminate the stomping and improve the matchmaking without the larger player pool, your not going to get a larger player pool. Then you have to break the squads as well i.e. std/militia battles do not allow pre-formed squads at all. This should diminish the number of stomps that are going on. The harder the problem is the more brutal the solution will be.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1992	Posted - 2014.04.19 20:41:00 - [38] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool since you cant eliminate the stomping and improve the matchmaking without the larger player pool, your not going to get a larger player pool. Then you have to break the squads as well i.e. std/militia battles do not allow pre-formed squads at all. This should diminish the number of stomps that are going on. The harder the problem is the more brutal the solution will be. so now we are excluding new players from group play? the only reason people stick around in this game is when they find people they like to play with and join a corp. forcing new players into matches well above their gear level in order to socialise isnt exactly a solution that solves anything. its a great solution for vets who cant/dont want to compete with those high tier stomping crews, and a terrible solution for new players. want to know the REAL solution? the market! fac war provides LP and most importantly salvage, and has the potential to yield really high isk returns. if the market is introduced properly and everything is worked to incentivise the vetrens who can compete to head to fac war for higher isk returns then pub matches will be for running cheap suits to regain losses quicker so that you can head back intop fac war ASAP for higher isk payouts I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 279	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:14:00 - [39] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. Hotpockets? Those things have a lot of sodium, 1500 mg for one. You eat those and you ain't living to your 40's. Actually a lot of food in America has too much salt. Have to cook homemade if you don't want to be obese like most of our population.
Tectonic Fusion 1503	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:16:00 - [40] - Quote If it's basic vs basic then armor > all even though that's the way it already is. A basic/advanced suit without at least 2 complex shield extenders is not viable even in pub matches. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1814	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:48:00 - [41] - Quote Militia suits and vehicles just need to stop registering player skills. Then we have a MLT gear only mode with reduced ISK payout, that is a completely new game mode for players of old, and a good training bed for new players just wanting to learn the basics of DUST's game play while their skill points sit and collect, and they can earn some ISK for some extra skillbooks. Then when transitioning to Normal Public matches that exist already. You are then forced to invest into a STD or ADV suit option giving all players involved a more competitive enjoyable game.
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1422	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:54:00 - [42] - Quote Bad idea for reasons stated above. For new players we need an optional 2nd tier academy mode type for players under 5mill SP. they have a reasonably safe place to skill up and put together a decently competitive fit. New players will have a better experience, and we don't have to fracture the playerbase into tiny gear pools. For everyone else, we just need better matchmaking. Each player should have a "Combat Quotient" (CQ) stat between 0.0 and 1.0 that represents how talented you are at DUST. The stat is invisible to the players, but the matchmaker uses it to build balanced matches. This number is derived through several stats: your weighted KD (e.g. killing another player with a high CQ will give you a big boost, being killed by a player with a low CQ will hurt your numbers more), WPs, SP, average rank, average ISK efficiency, win/loss, etc. you combine all of that in some formula to derive the Player's CQ. Also pubstomping (when you finish a match with greater than x% of the median WPs for your team will be penalized by increasing your CQ significantly so you are forced to play stronger opponents in the future. Best PvE idea ever!
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 469	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:39:00 - [43] - Quote if someone still wants some kind of matchmaking crutch to top their gear restricted game they got problems with FPS in general.. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
castba Penguin's March 387	Posted - 2014.04.20 04:21:00 - [44] - Quote Concern with tier based matchmaking is that militia vehicles are still good as opposed to militia AV. Would it just turn the lower tiers into a vehicle stomp?


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