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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1991
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:10:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support.
Thanks for your input
i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve.
let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse
militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1.
basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket.
ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist.
proto will be a ghost town.
so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now
and one ghost town.
nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever.
new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes)
anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR.
becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets.
theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have.
and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works.
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
339
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:13:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support.
Thanks for your input
i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1. basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket. ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist. proto will be a ghost town. so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now and one ghost town. nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever. new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes) anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR. becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets. theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have. and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works.
Ok, so now that you elaborated on your position. It is clear you did not read my whole post. I said we need more than just gear in MM, so what you just said, wont happen.
GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1991
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:17:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support.
Thanks for your input
i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1. basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket. ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist. proto will be a ghost town. so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now and one ghost town. nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever. new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes) anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR. becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets. theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have. and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works. Ok, so now that you elaborated on your position. It is clear you did not read my whole post. I said we need more than just gear in MM, so what you just said, wont happen.
it will happen, its impossable for it not to happen.
unless you want 30-40min wait times for games.
why? because the same people who can minmax the living daylights out of thigns can rig matchmaking.
i can always tell when my matchmaking rating goes up in the matchmaking we have right now. and to fix that i just run joke fits for a week and then enjoy 3 more weeks of stomping.
not only that but becuase 2 of those brackets are super easy to get into on a completly fresh character you can make a new character every damn week with a refreshed matchmaking rating and just stomp the living daylights out of the mlt and basic tiers
when your matchmaking rating gets too high you delete the character and make a new one.
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
339
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:29:00 -
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So you admit to being part of the problem and surprise surprise, you don't want it fixed.
If a few want to remake characters to only stomp, so be it, but the majority will move on and play the way they should.
GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2749
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:40:00 -
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Were I a new player I would prefer to fight minmaxed MLT AR heavies as opposed to minmaxed PRO scouts. So whatever.
ak.0 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1991
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:43:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:So you admit to being part of the problem and surprise surprise, you don't want it fixed.
If a few want to remake characters to only stomp, so be it, but the majority will move on and play the way they should.
i run around in ADV gear all day, and since i run solo and my matchmaking rating is stupid high i run AGAINST full proto stomping squads :P
your welcome
and your assertation that i dont want it fixed is inccorect and unfounded, if i diddnt want it fixed i wouldnt be posting in this thread trying to explain why this solution not only doesnt fix it but makes it worse. if i diddnt want it fixed i would be voting for this, as it makes one sided stomping ALOT easyer
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
674
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Posted - 2014.04.19 20:16:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:
No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from
no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool since you cant eliminate the stomping and improve the matchmaking without the larger player pool, your not going to get a larger player pool.
Then you have to break the squads as well i.e. std/militia battles do not allow pre-formed squads at all. This should diminish the number of stomps that are going on.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1992
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Posted - 2014.04.19 20:41:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:
No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from
no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool since you cant eliminate the stomping and improve the matchmaking without the larger player pool, your not going to get a larger player pool. Then you have to break the squads as well i.e. std/militia battles do not allow pre-formed squads at all. This should diminish the number of stomps that are going on. The harder the problem is the more brutal the solution will be.
so now we are excluding new players from group play?
the only reason people stick around in this game is when they find people they like to play with and join a corp.
forcing new players into matches well above their gear level in order to socialise isnt exactly a solution that solves anything.
its a great solution for vets who cant/dont want to compete with those high tier stomping crews, and a terrible solution for new players.
want to know the REAL solution? the market!
fac war provides LP and most importantly salvage, and has the potential to yield really high isk returns.
if the market is introduced properly and everything is worked to incentivise the vetrens who can compete to head to fac war for higher isk returns then pub matches will be for running cheap suits to regain losses quicker so that you can head back intop fac war ASAP for higher isk payouts
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Medical Crash
CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY
279
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:14:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. Hotpockets? Those things have a lot of sodium, 1500 mg for *one*. You eat those and you ain't living to your 40's. Actually a lot of food in America has too much salt. Have to cook homemade if you don't want to be obese like most of our population. |
Tectonic Fusion
1503
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:16:00 -
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If it's basic vs basic then armor > all even though that's the way it already is. A basic/advanced suit without at least 2 complex shield extenders is not viable even in pub matches.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
1814
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:48:00 -
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Militia suits and vehicles just need to stop registering player skills.
Then we have a MLT gear only mode with reduced ISK payout, that is a completely new game mode for players of old, and a good training bed for new players just wanting to learn the basics of DUST's game play while their skill points sit and collect, and they can earn some ISK for some extra skillbooks.
Then when transitioning to Normal Public matches that exist already. You are then forced to invest into a STD or ADV suit option giving all players involved a more competitive enjoyable game. |
Vell0cet
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1422
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:54:00 -
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Bad idea for reasons stated above. For new players we need an optional 2nd tier academy mode type for players under 5mill SP. they have a reasonably safe place to skill up and put together a decently competitive fit. New players will have a better experience, and we don't have to fracture the playerbase into tiny gear pools.
For everyone else, we just need better matchmaking. Each player should have a "Combat Quotient" (CQ) stat between 0.0 and 1.0 that represents how talented you are at DUST. The stat is invisible to the players, but the matchmaker uses it to build balanced matches. This number is derived through several stats: your weighted KD (e.g. killing another player with a high CQ will give you a big boost, being killed by a player with a low CQ will hurt your numbers more), WPs, SP, average rank, average ISK efficiency, win/loss, etc. you combine all of that in some formula to derive the Player's CQ. Also pubstomping (when you finish a match with greater than x% of the median WPs for your team will be penalized by increasing your CQ significantly so you are forced to play stronger opponents in the future.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
469
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:39:00 -
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if someone still wants some kind of matchmaking crutch to top their gear restricted game they got problems with FPS in general..
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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castba
Penguin's March
387
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Posted - 2014.04.20 04:21:00 -
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Concern with tier based matchmaking is that militia vehicles are still good as opposed to militia AV. Would it just turn the lower tiers into a vehicle stomp? |
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