DUST Search - A cap of 300-400 total hp on scouts.

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Gemini Cuspid wrote:

JARREL THOMAS wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Logis shouldn't have had triple damage mods with 1,000 ehp and the ability to 360 scan everyone, but we dealt with that **** for months and months.

Scouts like any suit should be fit however the player wants to fit his suit. Just like how so many players took a logi suit and turned them into better assault suits before. You don't have the right to dictate how other players should fit their suits.

Also, a scout that brick tanks is normally not a good scout and will get eaten alive by most true scouts. I know my 400 hp cal scout frequently melts these brick tanked wannabe assault scouts.

TL;DR: Quit your biching.

I doesn't matter if your killing them its the fact that the assaults are being out hp'd by scouts SCOUTS

When you can only factually say that "only a heavy can out HP a scout always" then there's just something gut-wrenching wrong about the Dust universe in general...

My Corp mate has a min heavy with 2 kin cats that can keep up with my scout. By your logic this is OP and should be nerfed immediately. I also know of heavies that use light weapons, they need to be nerfed asap since heavies should only use heavy weapons.

I have seen logis and commandos with cloaks which is problematic since cloaks should only be on scouts.

I have seen heavy reppers on ADSs, which is wrong and OP since heavy reppers are for tanks only. I have seen tanks with small turrets which should not be allowed since they can also fit large turrets.

I've seen shields on armour suits and armour on shield suits such is wrong, wrong, wrong.

-end sarcasim-

By your reasoning, CCP should just give us fully fit suits we can't change since you don't like how people are fitting them.

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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 269	Posted - 2014.04.19 05:35:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts having restrictions to anything while tanking doesn't matter because there interfering with the assault suit and they also have faster strafe at a rediculus speed...... I could keep going but they shouldn't be a flaylock please dont CCP no more flaylocks.Just give a cap to hp so there aren't scouts with 700-900 hp running around. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2890	Posted - 2014.04.19 05:37:00 - [2] - Quote So my Amarr scout is op? Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3501	Posted - 2014.04.19 05:37:00 - [3] - Quote People want to many restrictions.... Sir Hadah for CPM
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 269	Posted - 2014.04.19 05:44:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: People want to many restrictions.... I only agree with 3 restrictions the decloak should put the cloak in cooldown like all other mods and equipment, you should have a decloak delay with shooting weapons. And my cap idea. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Eruditus 920 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.04.19 05:45:00 - [5] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Scouts having restrictions to anything while tanking doesn't matter because there interfering with the assault suit and they also have faster strafe at a rediculus speed...... I could keep going but they shouldn't be a flaylock please dont CCP no more flaylocks.Just give a cap to hp so there aren't scouts with 700-900 hp running around. No. Simply no. You will not dictate how other people play. What makes the game fun is the level of customization. Don't like it? Then leave and go play scrabble . "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it." -Robert E. Lee
Rusty Shallows 1565	Posted - 2014.04.19 05:48:00 - [6] - Quote My ADV Logi only has under 700 hit-points. A new Logi Bro I squadded with tonight had about 400 total. He was getting frustrated. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 269	Posted - 2014.04.19 05:49:00 - [7] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Scouts having restrictions to anything while tanking doesn't matter because there interfering with the assault suit and they also have faster strafe at a rediculus speed...... I could keep going but they shouldn't be a flaylock please dont CCP no more flaylocks.Just give a cap to hp so there aren't scouts with 700-900 hp running around. No. Simply no. You will not dictate how other people play. What makes the game fun is the level of customization. Don't like it? Then leave and go play scrabble . So scouts should have as much or more hp than assault scouts aren't ment for frontline assault there assaults with an extra equipment slot damp,scan,stamina,or hacking and NK bonus. Well not min scouts. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 269	Posted - 2014.04.19 05:54:00 - [8] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: My ADV Logi only has under 700 hit-points. A new Logi Bro I squadded with tonight had about 400 total. He was getting frustrated. ^ Scouts should have at most 400 total hp not more than med You dont see normally assaults with more hp than a heavy. So why should scouts have more than us especially assaults. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2216	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:01:00 - [9] - Quote Then lets have max 1500 HP on the fatties max 1000 for assaults and max 700 for logis. Oh and we should limit weapons as well: For primary weapon: Heavis can only use HMG's or Forge Assaults can only use hitscan rifle type weapons Logis can only use MD or any sidearm they want Scouts can use shotguns, Nova knives or any sidearm. And I could go on and on, equioment limitations, speed limitations, no med suits with dampeners and so on. So why should we not make all the suits pre fitted so that everything will be "balanced" from the DEV side? Freedom of choice and the ability to make insane combos like a Minni Fatty with KinKats or a Cal Logi with cloak and dampeners.... Any sort of restictions such as these will only diminsh the game, go and play KZ4 and you'll know what I mean. When I tried it I said to my friend: "OK, OK I know what I wanna do, I want that clas with this weapon and such and such as sidear and a nade, how do I set it up?" - He said: "You can't do that, with this class yu can only choose between those 4 guns, for the AR you want to use you have to use the assault class." My responce was actually: "Thats just stupid! His friend can carry an AR but my dude can't? Well screw this game, lets watch a movie..." The morale is: Be very careful when you wish to limit a class and the possibility to set it up however people want, if you have a big issue with scouts having 700+ HP it tells me a lot about you as a player.... Edit: And how can a scout have more HP then the assault suits? Bad at math??? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 356	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:03:00 - [10] - Quote If a Scout wants to gimp himself and stack plates, then I say we let him. Bang?

JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 269	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:07:00 - [11] - Quote And that is?What type of player am I Babar? Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:18:00 - [12] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Then lets have max 1500 HP on the fatties max 1000 for assaults and max 700 for logis. Oh and we should limit weapons as well: For primary weapon: Heavis can only use HMG's or Forge Assaults can only use hitscan rifle type weapons Logis can only use MD or any sidearm they want Scouts can use shotguns, Nova knives or any sidearm. And I could go on and on, equioment limitations, speed limitations, no med suits with dampeners and so on. So why should we not make all the suits pre fitted so that everything will be "balanced" from the DEV side? Freedom of choice and the ability to make insane combos like a Minni Fatty with KinKats or a Cal Logi with cloak and dampeners.... Any sort of restictions such as these will only diminsh the game, go and play KZ4 and you'll know what I mean. When I tried it I said to my friend: "OK, OK I know what I wanna do, I want that clas with this weapon and such and such as sidear and a nade, how do I set it up?" - He said: "You can't do that, with this class yu can only choose between those 4 guns, for the AR you want to use you have to use the assault class." My responce was actually: "Thats just stupid! His friend can carry an AR but my dude can't? Well screw this game, lets watch a movie..." The morale is: Be very careful when you wish to limit a class and the possibility to set it up however people want, if you have a big issue with scouts having 700+ HP it tells me a lot about you as a player.... Edit: And how can a scout have more HP then the assault suits? Bad at math??? "if you have a big issue with scouts having 700+ HP it tells me a lot about the developer behind the game you're playing...." -> Fixed for correction because frankly if you're developing a game and you should be able to google what "light infantry" and "medium infantry" actually imply and create and maintain a game that corresponds to set interpretations and not assume "light = medium". .
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 448	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:19:00 - [13] - Quote Logis shouldn't have had triple damage mods with 1,000 ehp and the ability to 360 scan everyone, but we dealt with that **** for months and months. Scouts like any suit should be fit however the player wants to fit his suit. Just like how so many players took a logi suit and turned them into better assault suits before. You don't have the right to dictate how other players should fit their suits. Also, a scout that brick tanks is normally not a good scout and will get eaten alive by most true scouts. I know my 400 hp cal scout frequently melts these brick tanked wannabe assault scouts. TL;DR: Quit your biching. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
MINA Longstrike 531	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:22:00 - [14] - Quote To rephrase the quote from the caldari when the succeeded from the gallente federation "Scouts do not need you to tell them how to be scouts". You don't get to dictate how others play. Bricked scouts are crap - but necessary if you want to say actually be viable in a map like research lab domination. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2216	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:22:00 - [15] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: And that is?What type of player am I Babar? You're a player that comes to the forums and complain about one set of suits being able to put another 3-400 HP on their suits more than you'd personally like them to have. Thats what? 0.5 sec of extra surviveability? And thats supposed to be a game breaking issue? As a Gallente scout I've been experimenting with different fits. I've gone from 703 HP initially and down to the 478 I use now, its far far more effective as a combat unit than the tanked out variant. The insane strafing speed and gneral E-war bonuses (Which needs modules to be truly effective) is just vastly superior to having a fraction of a second of more surviveabilty. I love going up against tanked scout suits, they're normally very easy to kill. So let me ask you this? Are you a scout yourself this build and have tried different fits and found out that your super tanked scout suit is unfair to the others and you want it nerfed cause you feel bad? Or: Are you running another kind of suit and you think that a 800 HP scout suit is so insanely OP and unfair to you that want it nerfed? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 269	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:25:00 - [16] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Logis shouldn't have had triple damage mods with 1,000 ehp and the ability to 360 scan everyone, but we dealt with that ** for months and months. Scouts like any suit should be fit however the player wants to fit his suit. Just like how so many players took a logi suit and turned them into better assault suits before. You don't have the right to dictate how other players should fit their suits. Also, a scout that brick tanks is normally not a good scout and will get eaten alive by most true scouts. I know my 400 hp cal scout frequently melts these brick tanked wannabe assault scouts. TL;DR: Quit your biching. I doesn't matter if your killing them its the fact that the assaults are being out hp'd by scouts SCOUTS** Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3067	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:29:00 - [17] - Quote They aren't going to restrict anything. If they could have they would have done it. They would have done it with tanks. They would have done it with Logis. They would have done it with uplinks. They would have done it with everything else. Problem is, they have no idea how to do it. So they find work arounds. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:29:00 - [18] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Logis shouldn't have had triple damage mods with 1,000 ehp and the ability to 360 scan everyone, but we dealt with that ** for months and months. Scouts like any suit should be fit however the player wants to fit his suit. Just like how so many players took a logi suit and turned them into better assault suits before. You don't have the right to dictate how other players should fit their suits. Also, a scout that brick tanks is normally not a good scout and will get eaten alive by most true scouts. I know my 400 hp cal scout frequently melts these brick tanked wannabe assault scouts. TL;DR: Quit your biching. I doesn't matter if your killing them its the fact that the assaults are being out hp'd by scouts SCOUTS** When you can only factually say that "only a heavy can out HP a scout always" then there's just something gut-wrenching wrong about the Dust universe in general...
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 1143	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:30:00 - [19] - Quote Nerf scouts and op will complain about heavies. Nerf heavies op will complain about logis. Nerf logis op will complain about assaults. Nerf assaults op will complain about scouts again. Your post is making me facepalm very hard right now. Nyan!~~~~~=[,,_,,]:3 Nyain san is currently accepting hatemails.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 269	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:36:00 - [20] - Quote Babar I'm caldari scout with NK's you say big words of experience with scouts as a 1.8 scout l've been hear as a scout since the of 1.6 no tank because its useless and messes with balance. I've got all suits assault scouts heavys tanks snipers AV. I'm not coming hear to ***** or complain with regret. Nearly all your defences of tank scouts are insults to me and off topic. It's truly sad. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits

Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1282	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:43:00 - [21] - Quote A 10% more movement penalty to armor is possibly needed, we don't want to limit the customization which is key to the game. *Assassination is my thing.*
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 269	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:45:00 - [22] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: A 10% more movement penalty to armor is possibly needed, we don't want to limit the customization which is key to the game. You know what **** it. Lets do his idea. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 449	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:48:00 - [23] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Logis shouldn't have had triple damage mods with 1,000 ehp and the ability to 360 scan everyone, but we dealt with that ** for months and months. Scouts like any suit should be fit however the player wants to fit his suit. Just like how so many players took a logi suit and turned them into better assault suits before. You don't have the right to dictate how other players should fit their suits. Also, a scout that brick tanks is normally not a good scout and will get eaten alive by most true scouts. I know my 400 hp cal scout frequently melts these brick tanked wannabe assault scouts. TL;DR: Quit your biching. I doesn't matter if your killing them its the fact that the assaults are being out hp'd by scouts SCOUTS** When you can only factually say that "only a heavy can out HP a scout always" then there's just something gut-wrenching wrong about the Dust universe in general... My Corp mate has a min heavy with 2 kin cats that can keep up with my scout. By your logic this is OP and should be nerfed immediately. I also know of heavies that use light weapons, they need to be nerfed asap since heavies should only use heavy weapons. I have seen logis and commandos with cloaks which is problematic since cloaks should only be on scouts. I have seen heavy reppers on ADSs, which is wrong and OP since heavy reppers are for tanks only. I have seen tanks with small turrets which should not be allowed since they can also fit large turrets. I've seen shields on armour suits and armour on shield suits such is wrong, wrong, wrong. -end sarcasim- By your reasoning, CCP should just give us fully fit suits we can't change since you don't like how people are fitting them. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 787	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:50:00 - [24] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Gemini Cuspid wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Logis shouldn't have had triple damage mods with 1,000 ehp and the ability to 360 scan everyone, but we dealt with that ** for months and months. Scouts like any suit should be fit however the player wants to fit his suit. Just like how so many players took a logi suit and turned them into better assault suits before. You don't have the right to dictate how other players should fit their suits. Also, a scout that brick tanks is normally not a good scout and will get eaten alive by most true scouts. I know my 400 hp cal scout frequently melts these brick tanked wannabe assault scouts. TL;DR: Quit your biching. I doesn't matter if your killing them its the fact that the assaults are being out hp'd by scouts SCOUTS** When you can only factually say that "only a heavy can out HP a scout always" then there's just something gut-wrenching wrong about the Dust universe in general... My Corp mate has a min heavy with 2 kin cats that can keep up with my scout. By your logic this is OP and should be nerfed immediately. I also know of heavies that use light weapons, they need to be nerfed asap since heavies should only use heavy weapons. I have seen logis and commandos with cloaks which is problematic since cloaks should only be on scouts. I have seen heavy reppers on ADSs, which is wrong and OP since heavy reppers are for tanks only. I have seen tanks with small turrets which should not be allowed since they can also fit large turrets. I've seen shields on armour suits and armour on shield suits such is wrong, wrong, wrong. -end sarcasim- By your reasoning, CCP should just give us fully fit suits we can't change since you don't like how people are fitting them. Tbh, I cry a little whenever I see CalAss with more armor than shield Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2216	Posted - 2014.04.19 07:02:00 - [25] - Quote Tanked out Caldari scouts = 837,4 HP Tanked out Caldari assault = 1010,8 HP - Well the scout gets an extra compact nanohive, otherwise all weaponry is the same. Tanked out Gallente scout = 989.2 HP (switched from CR to a Duvolle) Tanked out Gallente assault = 1141,8 HP (Switched from CR to a Duvolle) Move speed of scout = 4.44, move speed of assault = 4,34 In the case of the Gal scout I can still fit an extra compact hive, a proto sidearm and proto nades, while I have a toxin SMG and basic flux nades on all the orther suits I've set up here. The Gallente scout is a suit with very very good fitting options. For me personally this gets negated due to the high cost and relative in-effectiveness of the Ferroscale plates, which I feel I need to fit to go head to head vs the other scouts. The main issue here is the ongoing armor vs shield imbalance. So it can definately be argued that the Gal scout is too easy to fit compared to the Gal assault. In any way or form however, your and the likes of you who keep claiming that you can fit more HP on the scout suits are obviously misstaken. I can't be bothered to do a comparison on the other two races, I'm quite sure we'll get similar results. Check out the facts before you make a tantrum on the forums next time please... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2216	Posted - 2014.04.19 07:19:00 - [26] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Babar I'm caldari scout with NK's you say big words of experience with scouts as a 1.8 scout l've been hear as a scout since the of 1.6 no tank because its useless and messes with balance. I've got all suits assault scouts heavys tanks snipers AV. I'm not coming hear to ***** or complain with regret. Nearly all your defences of tank scouts are insults to me and off topic. It's truly sad. LOL I ran as a scout through 3 of the 4 Beta builds, do you think Scouts are OP now? Not in the slightest compared to what they where in Beta with that horrid hit detection and the insane strafe speed we had back then. Ah now I get it, you're one of the "true scouts" are you? You choose to put other modules on your suit rather than going for max tank, like I do too. (I-¿m not gonna tell my exact fittings but E-war > max tank) - So if you agree with me that the scouts suits are better when you don't fit loads of HP on it? Then why complain about the ones that do? If tanking out a scout is "the best way", then do it. Don't chose a setup you actually find to inferior just because "this is the way it should be", and then come here and claim the setup you chose not to use should be nerfed. Don't you see how little valid your entire argumnt is? (Yeah sorry that you feel insulted but it has to be said, this is gaming forums, thick skins are needed, besides, I'm right and you're wrong.... And nothing I've said is off topic, understnding what motivation you have for your claim is hardly off topic...) FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 1192	Posted - 2014.04.19 07:26:00 - [27] - Quote Scouts should simply suffer higher penalties for stacking health mods. armor plates give 5%/7%/10% speed reduction, for example. Heavies, being built for tanking, suffer smaller reductions. 1%/2%/3% speed reduction on plates, as an example. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5174	Posted - 2014.04.19 07:34:00 - [28] - Quote Scouts are fine. Assaults need a buff. Problem? No problem.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 358	Posted - 2014.04.19 10:42:00 - [29] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Then lets have max 1500 HP on the fatties max 1000 for assaults and max 700 for logis. Oh and we should limit weapons as well: For primary weapon: Heavis can only use HMG's or Forge Assaults can only use hitscan rifle type weapons Logis can only use MD or any sidearm they want Scouts can use shotguns, Nova knives or any sidearm. And I could go on and on, equioment limitations, speed limitations, no med suits with dampeners and so on. So why should we not make all the suits pre fitted so that everything will be "balanced" from the DEV side? Freedom of choice and the ability to make insane combos like a Minni Fatty with KinKats or a Cal Logi with cloak and dampeners.... Any sort of restictions such as these will only diminsh the game, go and play KZ4 and you'll know what I mean. When I tried it I said to my friend: "OK, OK I know what I wanna do, I want that clas with this weapon and such and such as sidear and a nade, how do I set it up?" - He said: "You can't do that, with this class yu can only choose between those 4 guns, for the AR you want to use you have to use the assault class." My responce was actually: "Thats just stupid! His friend can carry an AR but my dude can't? Well screw this game, lets watch a movie..." The morale is: Be very careful when you wish to limit a class and the possibility to set it up however people want, if you have a big issue with scouts having 700+ HP it tells me a lot about you as a player.... Edit: And how can a scout have more HP then the assault suits? Bad at math??? LOL Babar..... Really??? lol You know why classes are locked down in other games? It's called balance - but ** it dude Im with you and i want a HMG on my Cal scout so ** balance. And FYI I have no issue with scout HP,slot layout or cloaking - all fine as far as I'm concerned.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1327	Posted - 2014.04.19 10:55:00 - [30] - Quote KingBabar wrote: and max 700 for logis. this statement just flushed your credibility down the toilet. logis need HP to be able to support in the frontline. and too reach hp values beyond 700 you gimp your movement speed down to heavy levels.



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