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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:26:00 -
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is actually anyone using them? they seem kind of useless when I fit 3 of them on a logi but I still cannot see a cloaked scout with zero damps. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:35:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:is actually anyone using them? they seem kind of useless when I fit 3 of them on a logi but I still cannot see a cloaked scout with zero damps. No and good, a med frame shouldn't scan a scout with any sort of damp tech on, passively
Closed beta vet
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3411
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:40:00 -
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Does any other suit get a bonus to precision enhancers? |
Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:47:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Does any other suit get a bonus to precision enhancers? Besides the Caldari scout no
@OP Precision enhancers are pretty useless on a non scout suit
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Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1044
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:01:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:is actually anyone using them? they seem kind of useless when I fit 3 of them on a logi but I still cannot see a cloaked scout with zero damps. No and good, a med frame shouldn't scan a scout with any sort of damp tech on, passively
Current active scanners don't scale fast enough to scan scouts actively. A Prototype Scanner is bare minimum requirement to scan even unskilled unmodded scouts. Any scout playing with one dampener or one cloak is going to avoid almost all active scanning too. You need to go with the highest meta level scanner on the Gal Logi suit for the bonus to start scanning scouts on the regular.
The Active Scanner should get a boost from any Precision Enhancers you have on your suit. This is how the Cloak already works. It Dampens you based on what your current Profile Dampening is at, which is dictated my your skills and mods. A scanner in the hands of a trained and modded user should be more powerful. That would lead to true EWAR Medium Frame builds. (This would also lead to people who dedicate themselves to something besides Bricking.)
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3411
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:07:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Does any other suit get a bonus to precision enhancers? Besides the Caldari scout no @OP Precision enhancers are pretty useless on a non scout suit
So there is the answer then
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Virtual Riot
Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
347
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:09:00 -
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Ivan Avogadro wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:is actually anyone using them? they seem kind of useless when I fit 3 of them on a logi but I still cannot see a cloaked scout with zero damps. No and good, a med frame shouldn't scan a scout with any sort of damp tech on, passively Current active scanners don't scale fast enough to scan scouts actively. A Prototype Scanner is bare minimum requirement to scan even unskilled unmodded scouts. Any scout playing with one dampener or one cloak is going to avoid almost all active scanning too. You need to go with the highest meta level scanner on the Gal Logi suit for the bonus to start scanning scouts on the regular. The Active Scanner should get a boost from any Precision Enhancers you have on your suit. This is how the Cloak already works. It Dampens you based on what your current Profile Dampening is at, which is dictated my your skills and mods. A scanner in the hands of a trained and modded user should be more powerful. That would lead to true EWAR Medium Frame builds. (This would also lead to people who dedicate themselves to something besides Bricking.)
^this
Fixing FGs > all
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1316
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:09:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:is actually anyone using them? they seem kind of useless when I fit 3 of them on a logi but I still cannot see a cloaked scout with zero damps. No and good, a med frame shouldn't scan a scout with any sort of damp tech on, passively seriously, when I invest 3-5 slots for passive scanning then it better should show cloaked scouts on my radar, otherwise its pointless.
because as a logi I then might aswell brick tank even more and use those slots for extra 400 HP to absorb the first shotgun hit from scouts trying to sneak up on me. |
RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:36:00 -
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My proto gal logi has a complex precision and complex range on it.
It might not pick up everything, but it does help me see a lot more, with which I can than blap the active scanner and show my team mates where the hostiles are. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:59:00 -
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Three complex precision on a logi GK.0 can get you a scan res of 23.71 and two range amps get you 45 m.
You can still run three or even four Duvolle Focused scanners, with their 21 db scans to find anything that won't show up on your passives.
If you then stack plates you can get to 780 ehp.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1316
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:02:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Three complex precision on a logi GK.0 can get you a scan res of 23.71 and two range amps get you 45 m.
You can still run three or even four Duvolle Focused scanners, with their 21 db scans to find anything that won't show up on your passives.
If you then stack plates you can get to 780 ehp. cloaked scout with an enhanced damp wouldnt show up for you.
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
897
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:15:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Three complex precision on a logi GK.0 can get you a scan res of 23.71 and two range amps get you 45 m.
You can still run three or even four Duvolle Focused scanners, with their 21 db scans to find anything that won't show up on your passives.
If you then stack plates you can get to 780 ehp. cloaked scout with an enhanced damp wouldnt show up for you.
You don't need to necessarily need to see them when they are cloaked, they will eventually decloak. All you have to know is that a scout is in the vicinity then you will be more aware of the shimmer.
Granted cloaks last a very long time and you are still open to shotty scouts if you're not careful.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
1984
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:52:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:My proto gal logi has a complex precision and complex range on it.
It might not pick up everything, but it does help me see a lot more, with which I can than blap the active scanner and show my team mates where the hostiles are. ^This. I have a fitting, even on my SVER 2H/2M logi that has proto damp and proto enh. You don't see everything, but when you're heading into a heavily contested building you'll see all the heavies and most of the meds.
I support SP rollover.
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs
146
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:10:00 -
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max your skill . use 4 . aim for the red chevron . head shot . |
Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4788
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:14:00 -
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Gallente logi wouldn't be a bad one to use it on
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2176
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:27:00 -
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They use no PG and less CPU than a shield recharger. I've been known to toss one on a suit to just avoid leaving a slot empty.
It might not do anything VS scouts but it's useful for fighting the same size frames at times.
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pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
432
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:52:00 -
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smh at the kids who are trying anything and everything to find cloaked scouts. you're using them wrong |
MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:56:00 -
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Ivan Avogadro wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:is actually anyone using them? they seem kind of useless when I fit 3 of them on a logi but I still cannot see a cloaked scout with zero damps. No and good, a med frame shouldn't scan a scout with any sort of damp tech on, passively Current active scanners don't scale fast enough to scan scouts actively. A Prototype Scanner is bare minimum requirement to scan even unskilled unmodded scouts. Any scout playing with one dampener or one cloak is going to avoid almost all active scanning too. You need to go with the highest meta level scanner on the Gal Logi suit for the bonus to start scanning scouts on the regular. The Active Scanner should get a boost from any Precision Enhancers you have on your suit. This is how the Cloak already works. It Dampens you based on what your current Profile Dampening is at, which is dictated my your skills and mods. A scanner in the hands of a trained and modded user should be more powerful. That would lead to true EWAR Medium Frame builds. (This would also lead to people who dedicate themselves to something besides Bricking.)
As a scout player, I would be okay with this. Especially if range amps widened the angle of scan - You might see something *other* than bricked gallente logi's.
However the downside is that you'd see cal-scouts start running scanners too.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5124
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Posted - 2014.04.18 15:00:00 -
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No, all other suits have scan ranges that are far too low to be effective.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5124
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Posted - 2014.04.18 15:00:00 -
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pyramidhead 420 wrote:smh at the kids who are trying anything and everything to find cloaked scouts. you're using them wrong I've been using my tactical binoculars, also called my eyes.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8517
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Posted - 2014.04.18 15:08:00 -
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If I didn't have only 7 slots on my assault suit and needed 2 of those to have a range of 21 meters and detect a fraction of the suits on the field, I MIGHT be using it.
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Goric Rumis
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.18 15:21:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Ivan Avogadro wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:is actually anyone using them? they seem kind of useless when I fit 3 of them on a logi but I still cannot see a cloaked scout with zero damps. No and good, a med frame shouldn't scan a scout with any sort of damp tech on, passively Current active scanners don't scale fast enough to scan scouts actively. A Prototype Scanner is bare minimum requirement to scan even unskilled unmodded scouts. Any scout playing with one dampener or one cloak is going to avoid almost all active scanning too. You need to go with the highest meta level scanner on the Gal Logi suit for the bonus to start scanning scouts on the regular. The Active Scanner should get a boost from any Precision Enhancers you have on your suit. This is how the Cloak already works. It Dampens you based on what your current Profile Dampening is at, which is dictated my your skills and mods. A scanner in the hands of a trained and modded user should be more powerful. That would lead to true EWAR Medium Frame builds. (This would also lead to people who dedicate themselves to something besides Bricking.) As a scout player, I would be okay with this. Especially if range amps widened the angle of scan - You might see something *other* than bricked gallente logi's. However the downside is that you'd see cal-scouts start running scanners too. But a Cal Scout wouldn't get any more benefit than a Cal Logi, due to the active scanner not being affected by the suit's base scan precision and the Cal Scout skill only impacting passive scan precision. You'd still have to determine whether the Precision Enhancement skill would affect scanners--since it's a level playing field with the Profile Dampening skill, it could go either way--but otherwise the only thing affecting it would be the number of precision enhancers you could fit.
It's a reasonable idea. The scout suit should be in a war against the active scanner, to the point where the most heavily modified active scanner at each level beats the most heavily modified, uncloaked scout at the same level and the most heavily modified, cloaked scout of the level below it. I don't see a good way of balancing that battle without allowing logis to mod scanners--otherwise you'll either have scanners that are too powerful against unmodded scouts, or modded scouts that are too powerful against scanners.
There should also be a single prototype scanner with significant downside that can scan even the most heavily modded, cloaked scout at the prototype level. Note that I say significant downside. It's the trump card, so it should be rare enough that players are careful about when they play it. I could get on board with a cloak variant that makes scouts impossible to scan even by the most powerful, modded scanners, but it would also have to have significant downside--the trump card in a battle always has to have a major weakness. I think it's easier to build a balancing weakness into a scanner.
The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.04.18 15:25:00 -
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Ivan Avogadro wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:is actually anyone using them? they seem kind of useless when I fit 3 of them on a logi but I still cannot see a cloaked scout with zero damps. No and good, a med frame shouldn't scan a scout with any sort of damp tech on, passively Current active scanners don't scale fast enough to scan scouts actively. A Prototype Scanner is bare minimum requirement to scan even unskilled unmodded scouts. Any scout playing with one dampener or one cloak is going to avoid almost all active scanning too. You need to go with the highest meta level scanner on the Gal Logi suit for the bonus to start scanning scouts on the regular. The Active Scanner should get a boost from any Precision Enhancers you have on your suit. This is how the Cloak already works. It Dampens you based on what your current Profile Dampening is at, which is dictated my your skills and mods. A scanner in the hands of a trained and modded user should be more powerful. That would lead to true EWAR Medium Frame builds. (This would also lead to people who dedicate themselves to something besides Bricking.) AAAAND scanner isop
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Badgerr Rager
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
778
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Posted - 2014.04.18 15:26:00 -
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I use Enhanced Precision on my suits that I use for solo play. If you are in a squad than there is no need as you should be supporting one another.
As for solo-play I do think it is beneficial and not useless to put it on a medium suit. As you know there are people who put cloaks on their med suit but they also put dampeners on their suit and when they arent cloaked you are able to see them even with their dampers.
Solo play- yes useful
Squad play- no point
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