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John Genericname
Shadow Company 514
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:47:00 -
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I'm trying to enjoy your game but you just wont let me. What's so hard about implementing a matchmaking system that has kept you from doing so. It's come down to a team of full squads vs a team of no squads every time. Even when I'm in a squad we're always steamrolled. HELP ME OUT HERE CCP! Matchmaking has been bad but now it's at its worst! we need something done urgently. My last match was the worst red line I've had in a while and I've been on the receiving end of some bad ones. Just do me a favor and look at the state of this game and tell me you're not happy with it. If so, at least we know this game will be better. If you finally get this game working I'll finally buy some Aurum or something, I don't know. Just help your game CCP, it really could use it.
Rant over.
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Stay Dusty My Friends
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General John Ripper
20109
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:50:00 -
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Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:51:00 -
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The player count is significantly too low to support a matchmaking system that plays well with the sp system. Untill we have PvE and a strong NPE, don't expect us to draw in and retain enough players for that to change
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Altus Nox
HELLRAIZERZ
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:54:00 -
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Plus right now all the try hards are running proto to farm you for points.
-Nox
-Omnes una manet Nox
(The same night awaits us all)
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:13:00 -
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Matchmaking will never be fixed. It is just something everyone has to settle on. CCP won't make the necessary efforts to build the player base and fix bugs like they should. It just is never going to happen. I'm, personally, mildly addicted to the game. I have self control to a degree but I am at 16.5 mil SP and will be closer to 17.5 mil after this event because of OMEGA's. I can hang with peeps now.
Again, matchmaking will never be fixed. If CCP stepped up their game (leadership I mean) then maybe within a year the game will be at a player base necessary to make the game just right or better in the matchmaking scheme of things. But by then the next gen will have become too concrete and the player base that currently exists will have moved on. There are people that actually have 70 mil SP.
I can tell you that after this event I am taking a break. Beating FFX, Platting FFXIII-3 (only 3 more trophies to go), beating Kingdom Hearts Re: mix, beating Witch and Hundred Knight, then playing and maybe beating DS2, then there are a slew of other games like Witcher 3 coming out, and I will have my PS4 in June so there are like 3 games there. I'm also back in training so gonna have even less time. Point is, I am only going to play occasionally after this because it's fun to play with certain people. The game is becoming antiquated and CCP's leadership is not doing what they need to in order for this to be the success it needs to be.
I would argue that they should disconnect it from Eve and sell Dust to another company that can do it right. Then they should 100% focus on Eve and only Eve. |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:16:00 -
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Altus Nox wrote:Plus right now all the try hards are running proto to farm you for points.
-Nox
Sad because it's true.
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:18:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote: I'm also back in training so gonna have even less time.
What are you in training for?
(Exercise Science dude here...and a D-1 track coach...athletics interest me...)
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:29:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:Eko Sol wrote: I'm also back in training so gonna have even less time. What are you in training for? (Exercise Science dude here...and a D-1 track coach...athletics interest me...)
It's a long story but I took a break from serious BJJ competitions and since I'm not at my home academy I don't feel at home training here. I expect to be moving back in the next 6 months and I want to be competition ready.
For strength and conditioning I use Drew Baye's method (baye[dot]com). I drill a lot and will be training locally again to get ready for my return home.
I also do a lot of judo and when I'm home I do JKD and am a training partner for Ammy MMA fighters.
I did track in high school but a judo throw went wrong a few year ago and smashed my tibia causing a knarly tibia plateu fracture. Can't run anymore. |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:51:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:Eko Sol wrote: I'm also back in training so gonna have even less time. What are you in training for? (Exercise Science dude here...and a D-1 track coach...athletics interest me...) It's a long story but I took a break from serious BJJ competitions and since I'm not at my home academy I don't feel at home training here. I expect to be moving back in the next 6 months and I want to be competition ready. For strength and conditioning I use Drew Baye's method (baye[dot]com). I drill a lot and will be training locally again to get ready for my return home. I also do a lot of judo and when I'm home I do JKD and am a training partner for Ammy MMA fighters. I did track in high school but a judo throw went wrong a few year ago and smashed my tibia causing a knarly tibia plateu fracture. Can't run anymore.
Nice!
I ran track in elementary school, junior high, high school, college, and post-collegiate...yet I had to take the last several months off due to a torn MCL. I started training seriously again last week and my knee is ****** up again, so I'm seeing a knee specialist tomorrow. And all this was after taking an extended amount of time off due to shoulder surgery courtesy of a motorcycle accident that left 3 screws in my shoulder.
I also boxed for four years in there during and after college, so I have a very big appreciation for martial arts of any kind and the conditioning they require. Precious few people understand (and I mean truly, truly understand) the level of conditioning it takes to excel at any kind of martial art. If you practice JKD I assume you've seen this video? Tommy C is the best JKD practitioner I've ever seen, certainly.
Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando
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Cinnamon267
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:59:00 -
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Matchmaking can't be fixed. The players who are playing now have lots of SP. What are you matchmaking against?
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:12:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:Eko Sol wrote: I'm also back in training so gonna have even less time. What are you in training for? (Exercise Science dude here...and a D-1 track coach...athletics interest me...) I need tips on running a 400 better fastest time is a 53 and I'm a freshman.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Omega Black Zero
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:32:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:Eko Sol wrote: I'm also back in training so gonna have even less time. What are you in training for? (Exercise Science dude here...and a D-1 track coach...athletics interest me...) I need tips on running a 400 better fastest time is a 53 and I'm a freshman. Get off the forums and go run... |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:39:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:Eko Sol wrote: I'm also back in training so gonna have even less time. What are you in training for? (Exercise Science dude here...and a D-1 track coach...athletics interest me...) I need tips on running a 400 better fastest time is a 53 and I'm a freshman.
53 for a freshman is good...but making you faster all depends on a laundry list of things including your fitness, training status, the periodization model your coach trains you on (if any), weight training, speed drills, the list goes on...
...oh yeah, adolescence (read: puberty) is huge in determining how fast a male runner will be...
But if you seriously want to pick my brain on it, email me at zaaeedmassani at gmail.
EDIT: Freshman in HS or college?
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:57:00 -
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John Genericname wrote:I'm trying to enjoy your game but you just wont let me. What's so hard about implementing a matchmaking system that has kept you from doing so. It's come down to a team of full squads vs a team of no squads every time. Even when I'm in a squad we're always steamrolled. My opinion is that matchmaking is something that is fundamentally impossible to resolve. The reason is that it depends entirely on the pool of players on at the same time you are, which allows for too much variation in the quality of the pairings.
Meta-level capped public matches is a much better solution. It allows players with different lifetime SP to compete with each other on a more even playing field. So long as the lower-sp player is skilled fully into core skills plus a couple choice weapons, it would make for more even, balanced matches.
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:28:00 -
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As long as the 6 player squad system exists in Public Contracts, you can forget about any kind of meaningful matchmaking.
Without the squad system, a matchmaker would be able to take 32 players, divide the 16 best from the 16 worst, then divide them each into groups of 8 and place them on opposing teams. Each team would have 8 good players and 8 bad players.
But with the squads, the game places squads and then fills up the spaces. This leads to incredibly unbalanced matches.
But of course, CCP will never remove squads from Public Contracts. (too many lonely and inadequate people who would cry in protest).
Dont get me wrong, i think squads have their place in Factional and Planetary. But Public Contracts is described as "For lone mercs for small squads". Should be 2 person max squads in Public. 2 person squads could evenly fit in the matchmaking.
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:34:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:
Dont get me wrong, i think squads have their place in Factional and Planetary. But Public Contracts is described as "For lone mercs for small squads". Should be 2 person max squads in Public. 2 person squads could evenly fit in the matchmaking.
Do you honestly believe that 3-4 person squads would be that out of line?
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:39:00 -
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John Genericname wrote:I'm trying to enjoy your game but you just wont let me. What's so hard about implementing a matchmaking system that has kept you from doing so. It's come down to a team of full squads vs a team of no squads every time. Even when I'm in a squad we're always steamrolled. HELP ME OUT HERE CCP! Matchmaking has been bad but now it's at its worst! we need something done urgently. My last match was the worst red line I've had in a while and I've been on the receiving end of some bad ones. Just do me a favor and look at the state of this game and tell me you're not happy with it. If so, at least we know this game will be better. If you finally get this game working I'll finally buy some Aurum or something, I don't know. Just help your game CCP, it really could use it.
Rant over.
Don't get mad, Get even, Boycott certain team, CCP will eventually listen if enough players stop playing the steamrollers.
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:00:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:
Do you honestly believe that 3-4 person squads would be that out of line?
It depends. In theory its plausible. 4 is a multiple of 16, so, theoretically, it could balance out.
However, in practice, that may not be the case. Lets say 4 of these 4 man squads are looking for games. So the matchmaker places the 2 best on each team and the 2 worst on each team. The 4 players on one team see that they are up agaisnt a squad of similar skill opponents, so they disconnect at the start of the game. That leaves just the bad 4 man squad on one side while the other side still has its good squad and bad squad. The game then queues and adds solo players to the side missing players. So now not only does 1 side not have a good squad, their space has been taken by random players. This would give the side with the squad that didn't quit a huge advantage over the other side, and the results would be similar to what we see today.
(not to mention incomplete squads with 2-3 players could also lead to unbalanced matchmaking).
With 2 player squads, you either have a partner or you dont. If a 2 man squad bails at the beginning of the match, its alot easier to find a similar skill range pair who are looking for a match and place them. Or find 2 solo players of the same skill range and place them.
With a 6 or 4 man squad, there is also potential for quite a gap in skill range. You could have a squad of pro players with one bad new player, or a squad of new players with a veteran leader. A 2 man squad narrows this down quite a bit and allows for a more customized fit to a team.
^Either way, the numbers and the methods are up for debate. But with the current system, its a catch 22; We dont have enough players for 6 man squad matchmaking, and having 6 man proto stompers in Public is hurting player retention which prevents there form being a large enough population for the 6 man matchmaking. |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:13:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:
Do you honestly believe that 3-4 person squads would be that out of line?
It depends. In theory its plausible. 4 is a multiple of 16, so, theoretically, it could balance out. However, in practice, that may not be the case. Lets say 4 of these 4 man squads are looking for games. So the matchmaker places the 2 best on each team and the 2 worst on each team. The 4 players on one team see that they are up agaisnt a squad of similar skill opponents, so they disconnect at the start of the game. That leaves just the bad 4 man squad on one side while the other side still has its good squad and bad squad. The game then queues and adds solo players to the side missing players. So now not only does 1 side not have a good squad, their space has been taken by random players. This would give the side with the squad that didn't quit a huge advantage over the other side, and the results would be similar to what we see today. (not to mention incomplete squads with 2-3 players could also lead to unbalanced matchmaking). With 2 player squads, you either have a partner or you dont. If a 2 man squad bails at the beginning of the match, its alot easier to find a similar skill range pair who are looking for a match and place them. Or find 2 solo players of the same skill range and place them. With a 6 or 4 man squad, there is also potential for quite a gap in skill range. You could have a squad of pro players with one bad new player, or a squad of new players with a veteran leader. A 2 man squad narrows this down quite a bit and allows for a more customized fit to a team. ^Either way, the numbers and the methods are up for debate. But with the current system, its a catch 22; We dont have enough players for 6 man squad matchmaking, and having 6 man proto stompers in Public is hurting player retention which prevents there form being a large enough population for the 6 man matchmaking.
My only issue with what you said is that you can't bakance matchmaking around the thought that someone might leave a game.
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:55:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:
My only issue with what you said is that you can't bakance matchmaking around the thought that someone might leave a game.
People always leave games for various reasons, whether they do it on their own or they are removed due to no fault of their own. (internet connection, something came up, ect). Rarely are big matches static in terms of players.
So you need a system that is able to do dynamic matchmaking. If we are talking about games with a total of 8 players, then yeah, you could say that disconnects are rare. But when we have 32 players, the chance one or more disconnects is much greater.
With a match making system that sorts players as singles or doubles, its easier to "fit the missing piece in".
There are upsides and downsides to everything. Im sure my idea has some unforeseen problems/effects that I haven't taken into consideration yet. |
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:23:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:Eko Sol wrote: I'm also back in training so gonna have even less time. What are you in training for? (Exercise Science dude here...and a D-1 track coach...athletics interest me...) I need tips on running a 400 better fastest time is a 53 and I'm a freshman.
Her is how I broke 52 (actually 49.1 4x4 split and 50.01 laser open).
1st) 80 meters should be 90% max speed at the minimum with short stride. The next 100 to 130 meters should be as open a stride as possible maintaining that speed. This will actually provide an acceleration factor. For the next 100 meters you should shorten your stride and then maintain the shorter stride sprinting at 100% until the end.
2nd) The first 200 meters you should shoot for only a bit slower than your fastest 200. My fastest 200 when I was at my peek was about 24.5 so I shot for a 25 for a 200m split. I had short legs so my legs hit the ground more often than other sprinters. I got to a point where I hit 24.6/24.7 splits but couldn't break an open 24.5 200m. I was a mid distance sprinter (400/800) and field events. Almost had deca scholarship but messed up meniscuses. Wanted to run track later for summer but then busted knee in judo training.
3rd) If you find that the 2nd split is more than 10% slower than your first then just tweak a little and be sure to do proper conditioning. I found doing 80m to 200m hills backwards twice a week helped so much it isn't even funny.
4th) On your low level meets, do the 800 and shoot for 56 and 57 400m splits. You will slowly gain confidence in your indurance and reach new levels of conditioning. I slowly broke 2 minutes but couldn't break 119.0. That was my PR. It started b/c I was running 55 splits and then 70 on the 2nd. Slowly, as my conditioning improved, I got to sub 120s. BTW, that isn't fast. I was almost last at all of the big meets. The only time I wasn't was when an alt was in or when I was 3rd leg in 4x800's.
5th) During competition season do not lift weights often. Don't do a track workout and then goto the gym and bang out dead lifts and squats. That's not healthy. Pro athletes do this with very strict diets and more than 8 hours of sleep a day. They don't have homework and school to worry about.
Hope this helps. BTW, When I was a freshman in HS I could only do 61 seconds for the open 400m. I trained with an exceptionally technical coach and will never forget anything I learned. By summer after my Sr. year I cracked a PR of 50.01. Before the end of Sr. Year I basically got a non laser of 51.00 BUT the coach believed there was a mistake and I was about .1/.2 faster since it clearly wasn't a tie for 3rd but they called it a time due to times being the same.
Lastly, if you are really serious. I mean REALLY SERIOUS then consider finding an elite level coach on the side. Just running your a$$ off isn't going to get you the results. There are techniques. Every single time your foot touches the ground, even while walking in the mall, should have significance. Every way you relax your body (your arms, face, etc.) it should be done perfectly. How to zone out opponents. How to use a teammate as a pacer. Down to the way and the voice of the person yelling out splits. Elite level coaches know this. When I was your age I wish I knew what I knew now about athletics. I trained twice to three times and day destroying my meniscus, sleeping 5 hours a night, working full time, and pulling my 3.5 gpa (out of 4.5). Then I would eat Top Ramen and peanut butter sandwiches. I didn't understand nutrition or when to sleep or just plain stop. Being an elite requires elite level coaching. If you want that 47 and 46 400m with a complement field event such as Long Jump or Tripple jump (like me) and not to mention, most strong 400m runners are extremely strong 800 meter runners. I hate to say this but 400 and 800 are sprint events. Some runners even consider the 1 mile a sprint. Rest, eat correctly, find elite coaching on the weekend or off season or what have you. |
Kaughst
Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.17 08:24:00 -
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I would rather we have a mode where there are no squads, it would be easier to match make people individually rather than looking at the squads themselves.
"He said he has a alt in STB."
"Everyone has a alt in STB."
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.04.17 08:42:00 -
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There is matchmaking.
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.04.17 08:56:00 -
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Altus Nox wrote:Plus right now all the try hards are running proto to farm you for points.
-Nox
Stop being so bad and you can afford to run proto all day to.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:13:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:
Her is how I broke 52 (actually 49.1 4x4 split and 50.01 laser open).
1st) 80 meters should be 90% max speed at the minimum with short stride. The next 100 to 130 meters should be as open a stride as possible maintaining that speed. This will actually provide an acceleration factor. For the next 100 meters you should shorten your stride and then maintain the shorter stride sprinting at 100% until the end.
2nd) The first 200 meters you should shoot for only a bit slower than your fastest 200. My fastest 200 when I was at my peek was about 24.5 so I shot for a 25 for a 200m split. I had short legs so my legs hit the ground more often than other sprinters. I got to a point where I hit 24.6/24.7 splits but couldn't break an open 24.5 200m. I was a mid distance sprinter (400/800) and field events. Almost had deca scholarship but messed up meniscuses. Wanted to run track later for summer but then busted knee in judo training.
3rd) If you find that the 2nd split is more than 10% slower than your first then just tweak a little and be sure to do proper conditioning. I found doing 80m to 200m hills backwards twice a week helped so much it isn't even funny.
Everyone is different. Something that worked for you may not work for him. I personally need more information before I'm willing to give any suggestions.
Quote:4th) On your low level meets, do the 800 and shoot for 56 and 57 400m splits. You will slowly gain confidence in your indurance and reach new levels of conditioning. I slowly broke 2 minutes but couldn't break 119.0. That was my PR. It started b/c I was running 55 splits and then 70 on the 2nd. Slowly, as my conditioning improved, I got to sub 120s. BTW, that isn't fast. I was almost last at all of the big meets. The only time I wasn't was when an alt was in or when I was 3rd leg in 4x800's.
If he's a short sprinter running the 800 is a terrible idea.
Quote: 5th) During competition season do not lift weights often. Don't do a track workout and then goto the gym and bang out dead lifts and squats. That's not healthy. Pro athletes do this with very strict diets and more than 8 hours of sleep a day. They don't have homework and school to worry about.
You can absolutely lift heavily and frequently during your competition season, you just have to be smart about it. Your lifting and running work outs, ideally, should have at least a 3-4 hour window between them. That is why it is so common at the elite level to have a morning lift session and an afternoon workout, or vice versa.
Quote: Hope this helps. BTW, When I was a freshman in HS I could only do 61 seconds for the open 400m. I trained with an exceptionally technical coach and will never forget anything I learned. By summer after my Sr. year I cracked a PR of 50.01. Before the end of Sr. Year I basically got a non laser of 51.00 BUT the coach believed there was a mistake and I was about .1/.2 faster since it clearly wasn't a tie for 3rd but they called it a time due to times being the same.
Lastly, if you are really serious. I mean REALLY SERIOUS then consider finding an elite level coach on the side. Just running your a$$ off isn't going to get you the results. There are techniques. Every single time your foot touches the ground, even while walking in the mall, should have significance. Every way you relax your body (your arms, face, etc.) it should be done perfectly. How to zone out opponents. How to use a teammate as a pacer. Down to the way and the voice of the person yelling out splits. Elite level coaches know this. When I was your age I wish I knew what I knew now about athletics. I trained twice to three times and day destroying my meniscus, sleeping 5 hours a night, working full time, and pulling my 3.5 gpa (out of 4.5). Then I would eat Top Ramen and peanut butter sandwiches. I didn't understand nutrition or when to sleep or just plain stop. Being an elite requires elite level coaching. If you want that 47 and 46 400m with a complement field event such as Long Jump or Tripple jump (like me) and not to mention, most strong 400m runners are extremely strong 800 meter runners. I hate to say this but 400 and 800 are sprint events. Some runners even consider the 1 mile a sprint. Rest, eat correctly, find elite coaching on the weekend or off season or what have you.
Coaching is key. Sport psychology is key. Again, I know nothing about his coach and his qualifications or how he trains his athletes so I would need more information before voicing an opinion.
For the record, here are my qualifications:
19 years competitive racing experience and counting. B.S., Exercise Science, Concentration in Sport and Exercise Conditioning (December 2014) ACSM CPT NASM PES NCSA CSCS (May 2014) Current Division I Cross Country and Track & Field Coach (3rd year at this institution) 4 years high school XC and T&F coaching experience
And just for fun, here are the PR's of some of the athletes I've worked with:
100m - 10.1 200m - 21.1 400m - 47.5 800m - 1:49 1500m - 3:49 1600m - 4:08 1 mile - 4:12 5000m - 14:37
And the list does go on. But I don't want you guys thinking I'm just some hack blowing smoke out my ass
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