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Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:52:00 - [1] - Quote Now, I'm fairly sure people know about this, but don't think too much about it. The Amarr Commando at maximum operations nets you a 10% (ten percent) bonus to laser weaponry. Why do I bring this up you ask? Well, for starters, it's because of our laser weaponry known as the Scrambler Rifle. Why is this important you ask? Because Scrambler Rifles at this current time have less efficiency than every other weapon (except maybe the AR) against enemies. Let's take a took here real fast: Laser weaponry damage profiles have a +20% to shields and a -20% to armor damage ratio. This means at base, a Scrambler Rifle will net you at a headshot within optimal range a 120% bonus. With maximum proficiency (I'm pretty sure), it's ~140%. Against armor, the headshot ratio drops to 80%. Let's look at the Amarr Commando's (superior) bonus at maximum operations: 10% increase to light Laser weaponry damage. What do you see here? 10% to shields or 10% to armor? The answer is both. If we assume you have PROF. 5 in both light laser weapons, you will do the aforementioned ~140% damage to shields and 80% to armor. With the Commando's (superior) bonus, this means: Laser weaponry (excluding ScPistols) will do ~150% damage to shields and 90% to armor. How is this relevant you may wonder? It is because of the Laser's weapon profile. By using the Amarr Commando, one can change the damage profile of laser weaponry (with PROF. 5 in weapons and OP. 5 in the suit) to ~+40% to shields and -10% to armor. HOW IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD?! Well, the reason it's good is because running a commando with maximum OP. skill will knock off 10% of that damage reduction allowing you to effectively out-pace the AR (Which has a +10% to shield and -10% to armor without any PROF.) and RR making it the second best weapon available to use. "Well, numbers don't matter, it's all about practicality!" Well, no shit. The damage profiles at base are as follows (unless they changed?): Gallente Plasma Rifle: +10%/-10% Caldari Rail Rifle: -10%/+10% Amarr Laser/Scrambler Rifle: +20%/-20% Minmatar Combat Rifle: -5%/+10% (or is it 20? Someone correct me on that, please.) Minmatar Mass Driver (Noob-tube): -20%/+20% I'm not at home currently to look at the other Commando bonuses, but from the list, it can be seen that Amarr is obviously meant to #REKT Caldari/Minmatar as they are partial to shields. From the gameplay during 1.8 though, it can be observed that everything can and will armor tank do to discrepancies to the shield/armor module scaling. So for all intents and purposes, we'll assume it from the game perspective (~600 armor scouts). By getting that Amarr Commando (and using it), you effectively just made your laser weapons (we'll assume Scrambler Rifle) assume the armor damage profile of the Gallente Plasma Rifle, except you do superior shield damage. I'll make it easier for you: Gallente Plasma Rifle: +10%/-10% (Assuming base, because I don't know the Gallente Commando bonus) Amarr Scrambler Rifle: ~50%/-10% "Well how in the hell does that make the Scrambler Rifle the second best weapon in the ARs?" Because it not only wipes out all shields in a single headshot (and most times body shot), it now has a 10% (ten percent) reduction to damage. The reduction to damage loss means you can use your Scrambler Rifle just like before 1.7/1.8. Using the Assault Scrambler Rifle is actually even better than the Gallente Plasma Rifle because of the profile change. Not only does it wipe out shields faster, but it has about the same RPM of shots and slightly higher damage (if I remember correctly). "But that makes it only better than the AR, still not second best." Well, the Scrambler Rifle has only a slight range disadvantage to a Rail Rifle, but that means nothing when in a ~40 meter fight between two armor tankers with one using a Rail Rifle and the other an AScR, they will no doubt win because of superior DPS even with the reduction to armor damage. In a fight between two Assault variant users, the ScR still outperforms the Rail Rifle in terms of DPS. It has a faster fire rate, larger magazine size and about the same accuracy. The only time one would lose this fight is from outside factors including the user's gun-game. "But the RR gets -10%/+25% in damage profile when you have PROF. 5!" That damage profile does not mean you'll win the fight given that the ScR will out-DPS you in any given situation (no lag, essentially). Now that I've covered why it's second best, I'll get to the final point: The Minmatar Combat Rifle will out-DPS any ScR user and will most likely win every encounter in almost all conditions. Why? Because of the following: Minmatar Combat Rifle (at PROF. 5): -5%/+25% Amarr Scrambler Rifle (at PROF. 5 w/ Commando): +~50%/-10% (Cont.) Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:52:00 - [2] - Quote The Minmatar Combat Rifle has superior DPS (in both burst and assault variants) and has about the same range and accuracy as a ScR. In a ~40 meter fight, the Combat Rifle will knock out your shields (let's say 250 as per the base with a commado at 5 Shield OP.) in ~1-2 bursts. This leaves you open to his punishment of +25% armor damage, and assuming he nets a straight headshot he will reduce you from ~800+ armor to less than 400 in a single burst. Since both users are Armor tanking, the only hope a ScR will have of winning is by consecutive maximum charge shots to the head, which is rare. Assuming both users were fighting with the assault variants, the mass DPS output of the assault variant would annihilate the AScR user with small-medium damage to his/her armor. In Closing: Combat Rifle stands on top because of its ridiculous -5% to shield damage. Laser weapons stand second top when using a Commando at OP. 5. Rail Rifles come third with their good range and accuracy. Assault Rifles come dead last because of the short range and lack of damage. NOTE: All percentages were based off of headshots. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 833	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote Awh sh*t. Here we go with the numbers again.
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:00:00 - [4] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Awh sht. Here we go with the numbers again. Aw shit, here we go with the Minmaturd being angry. EDIT: Are you so angry that you couldn't hit your heavy on a slope that you had to try and crap up someone else's thread? "M-MUH QQ" Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets*
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 163	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:07:00 - [5] - Quote Maths make my head hurt. I just like to melt faces with my Amarr Commando. I run Laz0r and ScR and do "ok" considering this is a new alt with only 1.5 million SP. I have still melted Heavies from 100~ Meters with my Laz0r though.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1945	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:08:00 - [6] - Quote i'm a proto lvl Amarr commando with prof 5 lazer rifle. It works. I assure you. In fact in my latest video you can see it kill a 867 HP heavy in 2 seconds Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote Sourdough Muffins wrote: Maths make my head hurt. I just like to melt faces with my Amarr Commando. I run Laz0r and ScR and do "ok" considering this is a new alt with only 1.5 million SP. I have still melted Heavies from 100~ Meters with my Laz0r though. I tried to make it simple and clear as I dislike maths as well. Just look at the good parts. Lasers with a Commando at OP. 5 means you do +30% to shields and -10% to armor. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
Horizen Kenpachi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 328	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:08:00 - [8] - Quote All biased what are the stats with commandos max skills with their racial gun at pro 5 and for lols then add dm's then take away all skill coz lets face it we spend half our time waiting for skills to kick in mental lag from clone transfer Hit me with your nerf bat.
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 78	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:10:00 - [9] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: All biased what are the stats with commandos max skills with their racial gun at pro 5 and for lols then add dm's then take away all skill coz lets face it we spend half our time waiting for skills to kick in mental lag from clone transfer Tell me if other Commandos/suits give a damage bonus to their respective ARs and at what percentage then I'll change it. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
Horizen Kenpachi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 328	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:10:00 - [10] - Quote Ps good post im currently runing this very set because of the templar set Hit me with your nerf bat.

Horizen Kenpachi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 328	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:16:00 - [11] - Quote Kaminoikari wrote: Horizen Kenpachi wrote: All biased what are the stats with commandos max skills with their racial gun at pro 5 and for lols then add dm's then take away all skill coz lets face it we spend half our time waiting for skills to kick in mental lag from clone transfer Tell me if other Commandos/suits give a damage bonus to their respective ARs and at what percentage then I'll change it. Isnt cal got +10 to rr gal the br min cr alll plus ten im baked so was trying to manipulte u to do all the math i dont really think ur biased coz good mercs spec most weopens sorry if i pissed u off like a said good post as i love the laser Hit me with your nerf bat.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9516	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:26:00 - [12] - Quote It still strikes me that the weapon with the best Damage Model is of course the Combat Rifle/ Projectile Weapons..... what are the calculations for OP 5 Combat Rifle? It's still by far the best weapon out to about 80m. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 80	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:29:00 - [13] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: Horizen Kenpachi wrote: All biased what are the stats with commandos max skills with their racial gun at pro 5 and for lols then add dm's then take away all skill coz lets face it we spend half our time waiting for skills to kick in mental lag from clone transfer Tell me if other Commandos/suits give a damage bonus to their respective ARs and at what percentage then I'll change it. Isnt cal got +10 to rr gal the br min cr alll plus ten im baked so was trying to manipulte u to do all the math i dont really think ur biased coz good mercs spec most weopens sorry if i pissed u off like a said good post as i love the laser Err... I got the last segment, but I think you're trying to say all Commandos give +10% damage to their respective race weapons at OP. 5? Quote: It still strikes me that the weapon with the best Damage Model is of course the Combat Rifle/ Projectile Weapons..... what are the calculations for OP 5 Combat Rifle? It's still by far the best weapon out to about 80m. I do not know the calculations to that, I won't be home for about another hour. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 392	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:37:00 - [14] - Quote So what you're saying is Commandoes are OP? Heheh, I think I've lost all respect for whoever the hell you are. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3940	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:40:00 - [15] - Quote You on crack m8? No.
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 80	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:41:00 - [16] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: So what you're saying is Commandoes are OP? Heheh, I think I've lost all respect for whoever the hell you are. I'm not saying they're OP. I am saying that the ScR and LR will become a completely viable option (more-so than they are now) if you get: PROF. 5 in LR and ScR OP. 5 in Amarr Commando. Had I said they were OP, I wouldn't have made such a long ass (double) post, sir. Plus, I care not for your respect towards me. Quote: You on crack m8? Prove me wrong, m8. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1191	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:46:00 - [17] - Quote Correction: gal commando brings AR to a 120/100 profile without prof. Amarr commando brings -bodyshot- damage to 130/90 Prof brings that to 145/90 laser, 135/100 plasma Headshots are a 25% on non-scrambler headshot(citation needed) and scramblers are 40% or something. For the record, explosives with commando V and prof V do 90/145 damage. General John Ripper is my 2nd best friend!
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 81	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:49:00 - [18] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Correction: gal commando brings AR to a 120/100 profile without prof. Amarr commando brings -bodyshot- damage to 130/90 Prof brings that to 145/90 laser, 135/100 plasma Headshots are a 25% on non-scrambler headshot(citation needed) and scramblers are 40% or something. For the record, explosives with commando V and prof V do 90/145 damage. Thanks for the addition. I figured Gallente Commando added 10% to AR. Since I based it on headshots the profile would be +45%/-10% on lasers. Fortunately, the Mass Driver is not an assault rifle, that is why I didn't go on about it, only giving the glance at its damage profile. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9517	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:49:00 - [19] - Quote Kaminoikari wrote: Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: Horizen Kenpachi wrote: All biased what are the stats with commandos max skills with their racial gun at pro 5 and for lols then add dm's then take away all skill coz lets face it we spend half our time waiting for skills to kick in mental lag from clone transfer Tell me if other Commandos/suits give a damage bonus to their respective ARs and at what percentage then I'll change it. Isnt cal got +10 to rr gal the br min cr alll plus ten im baked so was trying to manipulte u to do all the math i dont really think ur biased coz good mercs spec most weopens sorry if i pissed u off like a said good post as i love the laser Err... I got the last segment, but I think you're trying to say all Commandos give +10% damage to their respective race weapons at OP. 5? Quote: It still strikes me that the weapon with the best Damage Model is of course the Combat Rifle/ Projectile Weapons..... what are the calculations for OP 5 Combat Rifle? It's still by far the best weapon out to about 80m. I do not know the calculations to that, I won't be home for about another hour. I don't think the CR Modifier against shields can go positive....but it should be able to be reduced to such a negligible percentage that essentially..... and 5% is already negligible.... is non existant..... while buffing the standard +10% up to something like a 125% modifier against armour. Please correct me if I am wrong. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Erobthedude 0uter.Heaven Academy 73	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:50:00 - [20] - Quote Sorry, it's just... "Dear Lord, without you we are butt dust."

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4259	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:50:00 - [21] - Quote Kaminoikari wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Awh sh*t. Here we go with the numbers again. Aw shit, here we go with the Minmaturd being angry. EDIT: Are you so angry that you couldn't hit your heavy on a slope that you had to try and crap up someone else's thread? "M-MUH QQ" Don't make me stab you Kami.... I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 81	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:52:00 - [22] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Awh sht. Here we go with the numbers again. Aw shit, here we go with the Minmaturd being angry. EDIT: Are you so angry that you couldn't hit your heavy on a slope that you had to try and crap up someone else's thread? "M-MUH QQ" Don't make me stab you Kami.... I love you too, Kaisar. No homo. Quote:* I don't think the CR Modifier against shields can go positive....but it should be able to be reduced to such a negligible percentage that essentially..... and 5% is already negligible.... is non existant..... while buffing the standard +10% up to something like a 125% modifier against armour. Please correct me if I am wrong. No, you're right on the money there. CR needs to have a -10% to shields to make it in line with the other rifles. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9517	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:52:00 - [23] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Awh sht. Here we go with the numbers again. Aw shit, here we go with the Minmaturd being angry. EDIT: Are you so angry that you couldn't hit your heavy on a slope that you had to try and crap up someone else's thread? "M-MUH QQ" Don't make me stab you Kami.... Don't make me push an 80GJ up that un-sodomised ass..... Sorry I'm the kind of guy who likes to 1 up people if he can. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"* -Dagger Two
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5090	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:03:00 - [24] - Quote Im a CR/ACR user now. Yes, its OK for the SMG to have -5% shields and +10% armor. Its an SMG.It has like 10mts range XD But for anything that has the range,RoF and damage that like the CR it does not deserve the ssame damage profile. The Combat Rifle Deserves -10% shields and +10% Armor. Or An effective/Optimal range reduction to bring it in par with the AR's. Or my personal Favourite A HEAVY FITTING NERF. What makes the CR's Ridiculous is their EXTREMELEY LOW Fitting cost. (the MAIN reason i use it over the SCR, is that it costs a mere 8PG at proto level (Without fitting skills) and the CPU usage is not impressive at all either) Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6793	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:14:00 - [25] - Quote Kaminoikari wrote: Minmatar Mass Driver (Noob-tube): -20%/+20% MDs take more skill than any rifle in the game, especially the EZ-Mode hit-scan rifles. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6793	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:20:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Im a CR/ACR user now. Yes, its OK for the SMG to have -5% shields and +10% armor. Its an SMG.It has like 10mts range XD But for anything that has the range,RoF and damage that like the CR it does not deserve the ssame damage profile. The Combat Rifle Deserves -10% shields and +10% Armor. Or An effective/Optimal range reduction to bring it in par with the AR's. Or my personal Favourite A HEAVY FITTING NERF. What makes the CR's Ridiculous is their EXTREMELEY LOW Fitting cost. (the MAIN reason i use it over the SCR, is that it costs a mere 8PG at proto level (Without fitting skills) and the CPU usage is not impressive at all either) -10% / +10% is the Hybrid - Railgun profile. I think -5% / +5% would be the better way to go about things. Also, it may only have 8 PG, but it has 81 CPU. When you consider how PG starved Minmatar Suits are, that's pretty balanced. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 84	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:21:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: Minmatar Mass Driver (Noob-tube): -20%/+20% MDs take more skill than any rifle in the game, especially the EZ-Mode hit-scan rifles. Gr8b8m8. This thread is about why the Amarr Commando brings the Laser weaponry in line and outperforms other ARs (CR aside). This is not about your opinion on the Mass Driver. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4254	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:21:00 - [28] - Quote Shhhh we don't want the commando getting nerfed right after a buff :p Alpha Response Command (ALREC) The premier training corp for commandos. Apply today!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2313	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:22:00 - [29] - Quote Erobthedude wrote: Sorry, it's just... I lol'd so effing hard XD Anyways, those weapons are viable even without any bonuses. I enjoy the laser and do fairly well with the Scrambler.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6793	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:26:00 - [30] - Quote Kaminoikari wrote: Atiim wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: Minmatar Mass Driver (Noob-tube): -20%/+20% MDs take more skill than any rifle in the game, especially the EZ-Mode hit-scan rifles. Gr8b8m8. This thread is about why the Amarr Commando brings the Laser weaponry in line and outperforms other ARs (CR aside). This is not about your opinion on the Mass Driver. Sorry for being off-topic. Anyways, the Amarr Commando isn't as favorable because it only has 3 Weapons (LR, SCR, and ASCR) that gives it a damage buff. Your only good in 2 situations, while my MinCommando is good at just about any. Rifles aren't everything #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND



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