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Shavan D
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:54:00 -
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Jets need to be in the game. I say all the time that ADS are not jets, but people are trying to force them into that role they simply arn't designed for it. What do I mean when I say role? I mean being a fast attack aircraft that can carry heavey an assortment of hard hitting weapons. A Dropships role is to get people in or get people out, providing some light air defence in the process.
But I'm off topic.
I want to talk about air vehical controles and the problems with how jets might work with how vehical controles and modules are working. As of know R2 fuctions as a way to bring up the modula wheel which is incombersom in its own way but will get to that. The only way to yaw in this game is with the right anlog stick which also works to activate moduals on the wheel.
If you switch yaw controles to R2 and L2 you coud use the right stick to look around and aim better. This chamnge would benifit the ADS in shooting as well as the dropship in seeing if any threats are coming in from behind or side. Jets would be able to hover and in hover mode what ever the right stick did in flight mode would convert to this to better identify threats. Air vehicals would still be susceptible to damge, but with this new system you might be able to see that tank lining a shot off, you could also look the wrong way and not see the tank, the point is that being able to look to the left or right of you with out having to turn the whole ship around would help in so many ways.
Jet armaments
Not sure what the jet should be armed with? Should they be able to carry a number of small turrents or have a new set of weapons for just their class like how tanks can only use large guns. Should they have lock on missles, will they have the options for a nvagator, if so what will his/her job be. Wild idea, the fighter/jet could be jeryriged to be a light gunship with the right moduals, but thats just and off the wall idea.
[u]Air vehical battles and moduals [/u
] Any one who has ever flown and ADS or DS knows how utterly irritating it is to have an air fight in them. If both pilots know what they are doing they wont be able to kill the other. Meanwhile if one pilot is superior to the other and lands more shots the weaker pilot can just run and heal up and with how hard it is to fly dropships and the lack of a radar they will duck away and run, come back and repeat. A Python vs and Incubus (if the Python pilot is good) goes like this. Hit, hit hit hit, hit hit hit (goes into armor) (Python needs to reload) (Incubos heals back to half and begins to fly away) (Paython reloads, gives chase) (Incubos runs to his red line and unles the other pilot is pissed enough will go after him, he may or may not kill the other pilot and escape the red line safely.) |
Death Shadow117
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:36:00 -
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26 horrible spelling errors and i wasnt even past the first paragraph
NOVA KNIVES WTF Are Those
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:30:00 -
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- Spell check is your friend. Even if English isn't your primary language you can run your post through a spell checker of some kind.
- Features and Ideas is that way --->
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:34:00 -
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my most common scenario lately has been the python is usually an idiot who tries to ram my grimness when the dogfight isn't working out for him
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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Adell Shinzumakami
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:58:00 -
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Jets would be OP vs dropship players.
I GÖÑ RoadKill
Closed BETA vet - CLOAKING
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Shavan D
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:20:00 -
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Adell Shinzumakami wrote:Jets would be OP vs dropship players.
And Tanks are OP to jeeps, what's ur point? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:00:00 -
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Jets are a pointless dream that won't come for a very long time and are eminently unsuitable for Dust at present anyway.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Shavan D
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jets are a pointless dream that won't come for a very long time and are eminently unsuitable for Dust at present anyway.
Why? |
BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:42:00 -
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Shavan D wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jets are a pointless dream that won't come for a very long time and are eminently unsuitable for Dust at present anyway. Why?
Oh I don't know......maybe they wouldn't have a freakin counter for starters!
When the time comes......
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Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:49:00 -
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what about that AA Tank?! |
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:57:00 -
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Jet controls have been perfected in more games than I care to count, why bother reinventing the wheel?
Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando
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Do you even lift?
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:17:00 -
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how much sp does the op have into dropships to make his claims of what they are/supposed to be,
tldr where did he get his info
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:36:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:how much sp does the op have into dropships to make his claims of what they are/supposed to be,
tldr where did he get his info
Pretty sure it came from the twisted labyrinth that is his imagination.
Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando
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Do you even lift?
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:49:00 -
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EVE Valkyrie will be the Jets not Dust 514 I think
But I 100% agree... Don't listen to the forum QQer and haters - There is no reason there is not jets. Losers will also find ways to put ideas down before exploring them. |
Shavan D
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:18:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:how much sp does the op have into dropships to make his claims of what they are/supposed to be,
tldr where did he get his info
Been flying dropships since beta, half of my total skill points are in Dropships, my Carldary ADS is at level 5 and i have ponts in sheilds and turrents. I fly dropships all the time. Like I keep saying yes you can get kills with them but jets might do the job better or if not better at least it would fly diffrently. In dropship if point ur nose to the sky you fall back to the ground. |
KILLER EI ITE16
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:25:00 -
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We don't need them we need ways to keep players. |
Shavan D
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:30:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Shavan D wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jets are a pointless dream that won't come for a very long time and are eminently unsuitable for Dust at present anyway. Why? Oh I don't know......maybe they wouldn't have a freakin counter for starters! Not to mention Map Size.
You got that map size argument from someone else and it isn't an orignal thought.
AND JETS WOULD HAVE A COUNTER other jets and AV. If someone flies dum a forge gun or rail cannon will take them in one shot, pluse swarm missle will shoo them away if they try and get close.
Back to the map size argument and counter argument.
1. I'm pretty sure jet pilots could deal with the sizes of the maps, you forget air has nothing bellow them when they get high enough. To put it simply if their is a problem jet pilots would adapt just like DS and ADS pilots have adapted to the maps sizes.
2. Counters. Every single word you say could be put on tanks, jeeps, and DSs. You speak like "THEY WOULD NEVER BE SHOT DOWN EVER oh I'm so afriad."
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Shavan D
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:33:00 -
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KILLER EI ITE16 wrote:We don't need them we need ways to keep players.
Jets or the idea off jets in Dust are what made me and more then likly a fair number of people want to play dust. If you ever saw the 2009 Dust video you know what i'm talking about. Trust me, people see jets are in game they'll come. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:45:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Shavan D wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jets are a pointless dream that won't come for a very long time and are eminently unsuitable for Dust at present anyway. Why? Oh I don't know......maybe they wouldn't have a freakin counter for starters! Not to mention Map Size.
they could easily copy and paste some swarm launcher code to make missile turrets anti jet weapons
im also assuming if your good enough a jet could take maybe 1 or 2 forge gun hits tops
It'll help define roles, i promise:)
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KILLER EI ITE16
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:50:00 -
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Shavan D wrote:KILLER EI ITE16 wrote:We don't need them we need ways to keep players. Jets or the idea off jets in Dust are what made me and more then likly a fair number of people want to play dust. If you ever saw the 2009 Dust video you know what i'm talking about. Trust me, people see jets are in game they'll come.
Shavan but it won't get people to stay. First it would probably take more or the same amount of skill points to skill into an ADS, and if they aren't using a jet then they are getting protostomped.
All it would do would get people to try the game hate it and never play again. |
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