DUST Search - to those who say you can always see scouts

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Sorry OP but this is a better example, watch the video and see how many changes you can notice, then in the related bar watch the version without the flicker.
Your eyes work by taking a series of small snap shot images a second and stitching them together in your brain.

http://youtu.be/BLYsXpD8sSc

Kind of like how a panoramic shot on camera works, just a lot faster, if a unit is camouflaged/cloaked (just more difficult to focus directly on) the probability that you will completly miss it increase rapidly.

Since the cloak is hard to see (as by design) your eyes do not focus on it as an important object. Instead your brain in some cases will even filter it out, believing the subtle change in colour shouldn't be there.

This is why cloaks are difficult to spot, why you can't say use your eyes. Your eyes are the enemy especially when it comes to visual illusions.

thats another thing i kinda sorta knew about but couldnt explain.

if i remember corerctly since your eyes flicker AND the TV screen or miniter you use flickers is sorta compounds the issue doesnt it? making it more difficult then it would be in real life (if such a thing exsisted)?

mostly the cloak works because your brain filters it out as a sort of visual background noise


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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2535	Posted - 2014.04.16 11:11:00 - [1] - Quote Sorry OP but this is a better example, watch the video and see how many changes you can notice, then in the related bar watch the version without the flicker. Your eyes work by taking a series of small snap shot images a second and stitching them together in your brain. http://youtu.be/BLYsXpD8sSc Kind of like how a panoramic shot on camera works, just a lot faster, if a unit is camouflaged/cloaked (just more difficult to focus directly on) the probability that you will completly miss it increase rapidly. Since the cloak is hard to see (as by design) your eyes do not focus on it as an important object. Instead your brain in some cases will even filter it out, believing the subtle change in colour shouldn't be there. This is why cloaks are difficult to spot, why you can't say use your eyes. Your eyes are the enemy especially when it comes to visual illusions. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2535	Posted - 2014.04.16 11:33:00 - [2] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: you realise when they stand still there is no color right? No, I don't "realise" that because IT'S NOT TRUE. They're a lot less obvious while standing still, but they're still visible and the blue is still there. What I realise is that you can see cloaked players pretty easily if you're alert and have your TV colour settings decent EVEN when they're standing still. Quote: near perfect camouflage in any environment in any lighting the only real signs are a red marker when you aim at it and a slight light distortion that isnt so easy to pick up unless you followed the target untill it stopped. FAR from perfect camouflage in any environment, and worse in dimmer lighting. The only real signs are a red marker when you aim at it and a BRIGHT BLUE GLOWING EFFECT that gets EVEN BRIGHTER if you happen to catch them while they're moving. Here are the pictures provided by CCP where is the blue when standing still? http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/ Garrett if you can still see blue when they are standing still you need to A) Have someone sequence your genome to see if they can find a gentic marker to use in super genetically modified soilders B) Go to an opticians have them exam your eyes, see if they can find a physical difference which they can use in the future to repair damage eyes C) Get out of this discussion because you have an above average eyesight and therefore your point are null and void. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2537	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:34:00 - [3] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Sorry OP but this is a better example, watch the video and see how many changes you can notice, then in the related bar watch the version without the flicker. Your eyes work by taking a series of small snap shot images a second and stitching them together in your brain. http://youtu.be/BLYsXpD8sSc Kind of like how a panoramic shot on camera works, just a lot faster, if a unit is camouflaged/cloaked (just more difficult to focus directly on) the probability that you will completly miss it increase rapidly. Since the cloak is hard to see (as by design) your eyes do not focus on it as an important object. Instead your brain in some cases will even filter it out, believing the subtle change in colour shouldn't be there. This is why cloaks are difficult to spot, why you can't say use your eyes. Your eyes are the enemy especially when it comes to visual illusions. thats another thing i kinda sorta knew about but couldnt explain. if i remember corerctly since your eyes flicker AND the TV screen or miniter you use flickers is sorta compounds the issue doesnt it? making it more difficult then it would be in real life (if such a thing exsisted)? mostly the cloak works because your brain filters it out as a sort of visual background noise So your eyes work at approximately 55 FPS or something like that, it's been done somewhere as an experiment. Which is why people can tell the differemce between 60 and 30 FPS, however your TV monitor flickers at a much higher rate than that which is relative to the value of current. Because of this numerous things can happen. 1) Your screen every so often will only update by half a frame, this is why VSync was created, because doing so can cause lots of problems. 2) Your eyes will not pick up every frame meaning moving objects just appear to teleport. On top of this with the way your eye works only approximately 5% of an image is ever actually in focus at a time, even a 2D Image, your brain has to take these 5% samples and stich them together as flawlessly as possible. This is not always the case. The video I showed you was orginally hooked to a machine that could track your focus point. The computer would change sections of the image when you weren't looking, while hooked to the machine the average number of chamges spotted was . . . .0, that's right the majority of people didn't even notice the massive skycraper dissappearing. When observed as you saw it the average count was 3, it is because of stuff like that the cloak can be difficult to spot. In the middle of a firefight your eyes will concentrated on what your brain deems to be important, these will be objects that are large moving and more often coming towards you. It is unlikely you will notice a faint blue outline, in addition the fact that even at full sprint the cloak at further than 20m only appears as slight blue tinge on the background, your brain alot of the time will filter this out as an error before you get to actually see, this makes it hard to spot unless you happen to be concentrating DIRECTLY on the point the cloaker walks past as they do so. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2543	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:52:00 - [4] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Here are the pictures provided by CCP where is the blue when standing still? http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/ Garrett if you can still see blue when they are standing still you need to A) Have someone sequence your genome to see if they can find a gentic marker to use in super genetically modified soilders B) Go to an opticians have them exam your eyes, see if they can find a physical difference which they can use in the future to repair damage eyes C) Get out of this discussion because you have an above average eyesight and therefore your point are null and void. You're forgetting the most important one. D) People who have trouble should change the settings on their TV so they can see them too. It's really, REALLY not that hard. 1. Turn up contrast and colour. 2. Notice that all your games look better because this is the equivalent of a "dynamic mode" which is better for fast-paced movies as well as gaming. 3. Realise that those "sneaky invisible people" are suddenly, magically no longer anywhere near as invisible. Alternatively, there is another possibility which you also missed. E) Your TV sucks. Upgrade. My contrast and colour are always up My TV doesn't need an upgrade it's already 1080p. Your arguments consist of nothing more than 'it's not that difficult honest' , which is null and void because each person is different hence you can not make this arguement for everyone. Which instead means your arguments translate to, "Im fortunate because I can see them, ****you all", we can at least say it's a cloak and that is why as per its design it is difficult to see. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.