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Timbo101
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Posted - 2014.04.16 04:29:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Lets get something straight. They used this exploit for MONTHS when it was possible to create 100 million isk per battle by doing this. This is some high level exploiing here, they used one exploit that refunded clone packs, another that created a second battle to reap bio mass rewards, and a third to duplicate this process.
I will not retract my statements, I may furthermore investigate the extent of Eternal Beings knowledge of these actions. EB and KEQ have been trading that district back and forth for weeks now... Surely KEQ is a stronger corp than EB, This is just another form of locking, it is just a locking corp that also happens to be a real corp.
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Timbo101
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:33:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:21yrOld Knight wrote:This is hilarious. I am happy that I didn't tell any one what really happened last night.
wow. i eat 4 bags of popcorn lastnight rolling on the ground laughing at the nerd rage i haven't seen this much QQ in forever. I had a majestic orgasm last night, unrelated but I thought you should know cuse |
Timbo101
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:08:00 -
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LionTurtle91 wrote:Timbo101 wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:21yrOld Knight wrote:This is hilarious. I am happy that I didn't tell any one what really happened last night.
wow. i eat 4 bags of popcorn lastnight rolling on the ground laughing at the nerd rage i haven't seen this much QQ in forever. I had a majestic orgasm last night, unrelated but I thought you should know cuse Was it too the Super Mario Bros theme song again? You know it, only way I can get aroused anymore |
Timbo101
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:55:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The really damning issue for me is that a few months ago I sniped 2 KEQ districts on the same day. KEQ ticketed CCP when our battle fell last in the order (the one which would have been efficacious and would have resulted in their previous battles being nullified) because we didn't hit it first so CCP refunded the pack and said try again.
And then DID NOT REPORT it when the later battle on the same day had us going first but was obviously nullified due to a battle that occurred after.
Of course, having no knowledge at the time...I reported it to CCP but was unable to articulate exactly what happened, I blame myself for not recognizing the insidious nature of why they would report one set of clone packs hitting....but not report the other in the same manner. Now it seems to make perfect sense.
It was assumed I simply hadn't tried to re-attack after the win, and CCP only changed the clone count to reflect their battle loss.
KEQ reported the bug when it benefited them...and did not when they knew it favored them and that our win wouldn't count due to the glitch.
You're completely incorrect on what went down, Zat, which is understandable because you were able to see all of 1/3 of the information related to the corporations involved. I own the corporation which was locking KEQ's districts at the time, and which was party to many of the attacks in this particular instance. The multiple attacks which engaged were completely unintentional. The attempt was to prevent you from sniping the lock from the districts, so naturally there were multiple directors online in the locking corporation who were spamming attacks immediately when the districts became unlocked. You, similarly, had multiple people online. This was obvious since Fatal Absolution registered two attacks simultaneously against at least one of the districts (the thing which prompted you to report anything in the first place). The way this particular mechanic works, simultaneous attacking of a single district instigates it. Simultaneously attacking a single district is also the most efficient sniping/locking/attacking strategy under conventional mechanics. Two characters reported everything that went on that night- a director character from KEQ and the CEO character of the locking corporation. Your ticket and ours weren't touched until about 8 hours before the battles were set to occur. When they were, the intervention was mishandled. It turns out that battle SCHEDULING and district LOCKING are handled by two different parts of the infrastructure. Typically these pieces are interlinked in such a way that a district is always deemed UNDER ATTACK if a subsequent battle is scheduled on it. When GM's intervened, the districts were all but one rescheduled so that only one corp was attacking them. Additionally, each of those districts was forced into ONLINE status by the GM despite battles being scheduled on them. This allowed other corps to schedule MORE battles. This was rather early in the day- STB managed to attack one of the onlined districts, the rest were simply re-locked. Again, we had multiple battles from multiple corporations scheduled on each district. I filed a SUBSEQUENT ticket immediately and attempted to contact CCP personnel to further resolve these issues. In fact I actually skipped a class that day so that I could do it as fast as possible in order to give everyone the best chance of resolving the issue quickly. No additional administrative action was taken that day. There were two battles which involved Fatal Absolution. The first had been rescheduled in such a way that FA's attack was the only one against that district. You lost. The second battle was on a district which had been onlined by GM's. My corp was used to attack the district after it had been onlined in the middle of the day since STB had already attacked a district onlined in this way. Thus there was a battle subsequently scheduled on it for the NEXT day. This nullified the results of the match on that district, which we lost. That night I filed a THIRD ticket reporting all of these results. The district which STB had attacked didn't have any FA battles on it in the first place. The GM's decided to nullify STB's scheduled attack against that district. For whatever reason, their decision on the second district in line was to allow the current state to hold. Obviously we didn't file any more tickets because this was their last ruling on the entire thing. So yeah Zatara, it'd be best if you didn't go talking about situations where you know less than 1/3rd of the story. The only thing which was intentional, and ever has been, is using multiple directors to lock districts because it's the only strategy that makes sense. What else are people supposed to do? Allow their opponents to have a head start in aggressive, competitive scenarios because the background mechanics are bugged?
Hi Leither! Do you still play often? |
Timbo101
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:58:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The really damning issue for me is that a few months ago I sniped 2 KEQ districts on the same day. KEQ ticketed CCP when our battle fell last in the order (the one which would have been efficacious and would have resulted in their previous battles being nullified) because we didn't hit it first so CCP refunded the pack and said try again.
And then DID NOT REPORT it when the later battle on the same day had us going first but was obviously nullified due to a battle that occurred after.
Of course, having no knowledge at the time...I reported it to CCP but was unable to articulate exactly what happened, I blame myself for not recognizing the insidious nature of why they would report one set of clone packs hitting....but not report the other in the same manner. Now it seems to make perfect sense.
It was assumed I simply hadn't tried to re-attack after the win, and CCP only changed the clone count to reflect their battle loss.
KEQ reported the bug when it benefited them...and did not when they knew it favored them and that our win wouldn't count due to the glitch.
You're completely incorrect on what went down, Zat, which is understandable because you were able to see all of 1/3 of the information related to the corporations involved. I own the corporation which was locking KEQ's districts at the time, and which was party to many of the attacks in this particular instance. The multiple attacks which engaged were completely unintentional. The attempt was to prevent you from sniping the lock from the districts, so naturally there were multiple directors online in the locking corporation who were spamming attacks immediately when the districts became unlocked. You, similarly, had multiple people online. This was obvious since Fatal Absolution registered two attacks simultaneously against at least one of the districts (the thing which prompted you to report anything in the first place). The way this particular mechanic works, simultaneous attacking of a single district instigates it. Simultaneously attacking a single district is also the most efficient sniping/locking/attacking strategy under conventional mechanics. Two characters reported everything that went on that night- a director character from KEQ and the CEO character of the locking corporation. Your ticket and ours weren't touched until about 8 hours before the battles were set to occur. When they were, the intervention was mishandled. It turns out that battle SCHEDULING and district LOCKING are handled by two different parts of the infrastructure. Typically these pieces are interlinked in such a way that a district is always deemed UNDER ATTACK if a subsequent battle is scheduled on it. When GM's intervened, the districts were all but one rescheduled so that only one corp was attacking them. Additionally, each of those districts was forced into ONLINE status by the GM despite battles being scheduled on them. This allowed other corps to schedule MORE battles. This was rather early in the day- STB managed to attack one of the onlined districts, the rest were simply re-locked. Again, we had multiple battles from multiple corporations scheduled on each district. I filed a SUBSEQUENT ticket immediately and attempted to contact CCP personnel to further resolve these issues. In fact I actually skipped a class that day so that I could do it as fast as possible in order to give everyone (FA, KEQ, and our alliance mates) the best chance of resolving the issue quickly. No additional administrative action was taken that day. There were two battles which involved Fatal Absolution. The first had been rescheduled in such a way that FA's attack was the only one against that district. You lost. The second battle was on a district which had been onlined by GM's. My corp was used to attack the district after it had been onlined in the middle of the day since STB had already attacked a district onlined in this way. Thus there was a battle subsequently scheduled on it for the NEXT day. This nullified the results of the match on that district, which we lost. That night I filed a THIRD ticket reporting all of these results. The district which STB had attacked didn't have any FA battles on it in the first place. The GM's decided to nullify STB's scheduled attack against that district. For whatever reason, their decision on the second district in line was to allow the current state to hold. Obviously we didn't file any more tickets because this was their last ruling on the entire thing. So yeah Zatara, it'd be best if you didn't go talking about situations where you know less than 1/3rd of the story. The only thing which was intentional, and ever has been, is using multiple directors to lock districts because it's the only strategy that makes sense. What else are people supposed to do? Allow their opponents to have a head start in aggressive, competitive scenarios because the background mechanics are bugged? Quad attacks don't happen on accident.
I dont think you understand yet, everytime we lock we have multiple people locking, everytime we snipe we have multiple sniping. Everytime, without fail, why do you think we have so many people over there. |
Timbo101
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:59:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I'm sorry but outright cheating to make a match not count is never justified no matter how much you may hate your enemy. Use the tools in the game (no multi-attack exploiting isn't a tool) to accomplish your goals.
I'm sure CCP will make the right choices in dealing with the situation.
Who are you responding to Kain? I'm a little confused here, can you rephrase this maybe? Being serious too |
Timbo101
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:06:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Timbo101 wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The really damning issue for me is that a few months ago I sniped 2 KEQ districts on the same day. KEQ ticketed CCP when our battle fell last in the order (the one which would have been efficacious and would have resulted in their previous battles being nullified) because we didn't hit it first so CCP refunded the pack and said try again.
And then DID NOT REPORT it when the later battle on the same day had us going first but was obviously nullified due to a battle that occurred after.
Of course, having no knowledge at the time...I reported it to CCP but was unable to articulate exactly what happened, I blame myself for not recognizing the insidious nature of why they would report one set of clone packs hitting....but not report the other in the same manner. Now it seems to make perfect sense.
It was assumed I simply hadn't tried to re-attack after the win, and CCP only changed the clone count to reflect their battle loss.
KEQ reported the bug when it benefited them...and did not when they knew it favored them and that our win wouldn't count due to the glitch.
You're completely incorrect on what went down, Zat, which is understandable because you were able to see all of 1/3 of the information related to the corporations involved. I own the corporation which was locking KEQ's districts at the time, and which was party to many of the attacks in this particular instance. The multiple attacks which engaged were completely unintentional. The attempt was to prevent you from sniping the lock from the districts, so naturally there were multiple directors online in the locking corporation who were spamming attacks immediately when the districts became unlocked. You, similarly, had multiple people online. This was obvious since Fatal Absolution registered two attacks simultaneously against at least one of the districts (the thing which prompted you to report anything in the first place). The way this particular mechanic works, simultaneous attacking of a single district instigates it. Simultaneously attacking a single district is also the most efficient sniping/locking/attacking strategy under conventional mechanics. Two characters reported everything that went on that night- a director character from KEQ and the CEO character of the locking corporation. Your ticket and ours weren't touched until about 8 hours before the battles were set to occur. When they were, the intervention was mishandled. It turns out that battle SCHEDULING and district LOCKING are handled by two different parts of the infrastructure. Typically these pieces are interlinked in such a way that a district is always deemed UNDER ATTACK if a subsequent battle is scheduled on it. When GM's intervened, the districts were all but one rescheduled so that only one corp was attacking them. Additionally, each of those districts was forced into ONLINE status by the GM despite battles being scheduled on them. This allowed other corps to schedule MORE battles. This was rather early in the day- STB managed to attack one of the onlined districts, the rest were simply re-locked. Again, we had multiple battles from multiple corporations scheduled on each district. I filed a SUBSEQUENT ticket immediately and attempted to contact CCP personnel to further resolve these issues. In fact I actually skipped a class that day so that I could do it as fast as possible in order to give everyone (FA, KEQ, and our alliance mates) the best chance of resolving the issue quickly. No additional administrative action was taken that day. There were two battles which involved Fatal Absolution. The first had been rescheduled in such a way that FA's attack was the only one against that district. You lost. The second battle was on a district which had been onlined by GM's. My corp was used to attack the district after it had been onlined in the middle of the day since STB had already attacked a district onlined in this way. Thus there was a battle subsequently scheduled on it for the NEXT day. This nullified the results of the match on that district, which we lost. That night I filed a THIRD ticket reporting all of these results. The district which STB had attacked didn't have any FA battles on it in the first place. The GM's decided to nullify STB's scheduled attack against that district. For whatever reason, their decision on the second district in line was to allow the current state to hold. Obviously we didn't file any more tickets because this was their last ruling on the entire thing. So yeah Zatara, it'd be best if you didn't go talking about situations where you know less than 1/3rd of the story. The only thing which was intentional, and ever has been, is using multiple directors to lock districts because it's the only strategy that makes sense. What else are people supposed to do? Allow their opponents to have a head start in aggressive, competitive scenarios because the background mechanics are bugged? Quad attacks don't happen on accident. I dont think you understand yet, everytime we lock we have multiple people locking, everytime we snipe we have multiple sniping. Everytime, without fail, why do you think we have so many people over there. And we have had multiple people locking too, not once did we come down with a quad attack.
**** happens I guess? I thought you wanted to talk about it, as soon as I posted in our pub chat you left...
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Timbo101
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:13:00 -
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Stiddlefaxq wrote:STYLIE77 wrote: Honestly, I think this has less to do with the glitch and more to do with the fact that my warchief told the FA directors NO.
Actually, Wolfica made a thread complaining about the specific incident before we had a talk with your officers. We had our chat, your officers were disrespectful and rude and refused to solve the issue in a fair way. After that we did a bit of digging for evidence on the matter and found the gold mine that shows not only that you have exploited this glitch, but have been doing it for months flagrantly. We then unleashed the kraken. Technically I unleashed the kraken |
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