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Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:25:00 -
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Okay, so the DUST game has yet (after 2+ years of development) to add in the original purpose of the game. That purpose is for EVE pilots to CONTRACT the DUST Mercs to take specific Districts for them to use. Without a clear and definite goal, all the rest doesn't matter. Why control a district? Passive income, that is being found to be a bad thing now.
Honestly Mercs should not be producing income, they should not be receiving passive income (unless it's from a form of defense contract), and they should not be as short on cash as they are now.
What should be happening is that EVE players should WANT DUST players to take and hold districts for them. The EVE players should want it so much that they would be willing to pay hundreds of millions of ISK to get that district. Whether that happen by usage of a Warbarge and escort fleet or by shear ISK contracting, the EVE players need a REASON to want the DUST players to take that district.
So we need for you to give the EVE players a reason to want to own access to a district! Something where the EVE pilots can get some needed resource from districts that can be gotten no other way. Then this resource can be used to build other things like dropsuits, weapons, or vehicles for DUST or even implants and other things for EVE. Then the EVE players will start fighting one another for control of the new resources. This generates content not only for EVE, but for DUST as well.
It's such a simple thing to do, and it will add so much to both games.
So basically you need to add in a contracting system where an EVE pilot/corp/alliance can setup a contract for a DUST merc/corp/alliance to fulfill. Use the system you already have in the EVE game. Next you need to have Planetary Interaction or something similar to that start generating these new resources. Or maybe you don't have to add in any new resources. Maybe the only way to generate the current PI resources is by controlling the district? Maybe in highsec, PI resource generation is available because it's run by the different factions and they want the economy to continue, but in low-sec and null-sec only the group that controls the district is allowed to do any PI in that district.
Anyways, this creates a reason for EVE players to want to hire DUST players to take control of districts for them. Once you get this done, then it paves the way for the next step which is combining the markets of both games. I detail that idea here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154688
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Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:07:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Who cares? We are Mercs, they are pod peeps that point and click in Spaaace.  Seriously, the promo trailer shows one of the EVE pod peeps bailing on a contract with the Mercs down in the Dust being overrun because any typical EVE ganker, scammer and backstabbing jerk did what comes naturally in EVE. Just drop their pods on the surface with a new equipment module so we can force their pods open. Killing pod peeps would be good sport. 
Obviously a troll, but I'll respond...
As mercs you have no allegiance other than money and vice versa. So yeah, expect to be back-stabbed by the employer or have you totally ignored every movei, book, TV show, and role--playing game that covers this aspect of being a mercenary. Hell, even in Shadowrun you have to be careful which "Mr. Johnson" you take jobs from. Which is the point. If one guy offers you 1 million ISK to do a job and another one is offering 10 million ISK, then maybe there is a reason for that. But since the only people in the game that can offer ANY contracts for the battles right now are the NPCs and there is no NEGOTIATING with the NPCs, then we all get screwed out of any chance to make more ISK than what the devs see as "fair."
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Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:17:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Disagree.
The original purpose of Dust was not to be mercenaries, the original purpose of Dust was to take a closer look at New Eden and this world they had created. In fact, CCP should remove all traces of the word "Mercenary" from their marketing and such all together. To say that Dust players are mercenaries is shoehorning everyone into one role in this universe. But there are so many more things you can be in New Eden! Even with the limitation of being strictly combat oriented, you don't have to just be a mercenary. Like in EVE, we should be able to be loyalists, freedom fighters, empire builders, bounty hunters, and pirates, not just mercenaries. So far we can be loyalists through Faction Warfare and empire builders through Planetary Conquest, but we should be able to be anything else and really with as little limitation as possible. The game is supposed to be a sandbox, if you can think it than you should be able to do it.
You are wrong, the original purpose of DUST was ALWAYS to be mercs. However as a merc you are supposed to have the ability to negotiate contracts and pick and choose who you want to support and work for. You are supposed to be able to build up relationships with entities in EVE (ie. other players not the NPCs) and through that trust be able to garner more ISK for your work.
Yes they are shoehorning us into one position, and that is of the ground forces. We cannot do R&D and develop new technology for Tech Level II ships, or explore wormhole space to salvage alien tech to make Tech Level III ships. We do not mine asteroids or gas clouds or ice belts for materials used in manufacturing. We do not operate refineries and process those ores into raw materials. We do not take the blueprints from the R&D people and use them on a production line with raw materials to create ships and everything else.
Instead we FIGHT! And that is why we should be getting PAID for that! And by paid I mean the EVE players paying us millions of ISK more that we make now per battle.
Seriously! If a group of EVE pilots had a NEED to capture and control a specific district or planet for the purposes of ensuring that they continued to be able to make ISK on their side of the game, then they would be more than willing to contract DUST mercs to take and hold that place. LIke millions to take it and (imagine this) millions to sit on it too. Instead right now we have some stupid facsimile that the devs came up with that makes no sense and offers little to no reward for doing it compared to what EVE pilots would pay.
We are specialists compared to the EVE pilots. We are not blacksmiths, or carpenters, or cooks... WE ARE FIGHTERS! And that is our profession.
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Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:32:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I agree... in part. There's a huge issue with CCP assuming DUST players are mercenaries, as a large number of them are not. Many are businessmen, faction loyalists, alliance leaders, etc. Indeed the name "mercenary" should be struck from DUST's descriptions and marketing. The huge part of the New Eden image is that you can be whoever you want to be, and the same should be for DUST.
I never said that a merc couldn't ALSO be a businessman (kinda necessary if you are gonna NEGOTIATE your contracts), faction loyalist (is possible if you are allowed to choose the contracts you want to partake in), alliance leaders (leaders are always needed especially in a Merc setting), etc. I do NOT believe that the Mercenary part should be struck from the name until such time as we are actually allowed to do things not for money/contracts but instead to mine, research, produce... but we don't do those things. We fight and we destroy. We are the "spartans" of the new age. Our profession is to kill. We are not blacksmiths or cooks or carpenters.
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Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:41:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I would say I have never really been a mercenary in DUST. It's just something that's never occurred in my playstyle.
You earn ISK or LPs from playing in matches right? Then by definition you killed or destroyed equipment for money. Congratulations, you are a Mercenary.
Did you not pay attention to some of the corps you are fighting for in the public contracts? Hell one of them is QUAFE which is the equivalent to Coca Cola or Pepsi in RL.
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Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:59:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:But again, you're focusing on something we've been shoehorned into, rather than the life we choose to lead.
Yes I am, because that is and always has been the point of the game. It's not mincreaft or painting daisies... It's an F.P.S.!!!! We kill and blow stuff up. Don't loose sight of that important fact.
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Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Jadd Hatchen wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:But again, you're focusing on something we've been shoehorned into, rather than the life we choose to lead. Yes I am, because that is and always has been the point of the game. It's not mincreaft or painting daisies... It's an F.P.S.!!!! We kill and blow stuff up. Don't loose sight of that important fact. I never said I didn't blow stuff up. But I fight for my alliance, my space empire. I have no interest in fighting for other factions any more than the game currently forces me to do it to make money. I don't consider myself a mercenary, because when I am in game, I am loyal to my peeps. Just like many players are loyal to the Caldari faction or something. They would be better described as soldiers than mercenaries. The importance of this being a sandbox, is as much of the NPC and CCP-determined stuff needs to be phased out, and replaced with letting us do what we want, how we want.
And again you prove my point. It doesn't matter if you fight for ISK or LP or for an alliance. You are still fighting for something and you are a Mercenary. If that alliance were gone tomorrow, then you would still be a Mercenary. In order to make ISK so that you can fight for your alliance you do public matches and again you are a Mercenary. Stop denying yourself. |
Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:27:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:That doesn't even make any sense. Stop trying to tell me I am what I'm not.
You are a player in the game known as DUST 514! =P
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