| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1933
   |
Posted - 2014.04.15 08:47:00 -
[31] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:beside that, tripple rep fitting isnt optimal.
Hmmmm. That's a tough call. It swings on the way you play an engagement. Were slam into passive vs active here and there is no real correct answers to this one.
Everything Dropship youtube channel
my Community Spotlight
|
MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
398
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 08:48:00 -
[32] - Quote
Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Damage mods are 5% now judge yes but two damage mods as stated in the OP @ 5% and the commando (proto lvl) 10% damage bonus is 19.6% assuming the stack penalty starts on the first 5 not the base 10
Judge, do you have any friends or anyone who has minmando lv5 and swarms with prof 5 or at least 4? I would be willing to contribute unlimited amount of Madrugars to testing how Swarms really apply dmg.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
|
Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1933
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 08:49:00 -
[33] - Quote
I'll ask about, I think I know a minnie swarmer but can't remember his name. Hes on my regular playlist though so Ill see If I can get his help.
Everything Dropship youtube channel
my Community Spotlight
|
Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1933
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 08:51:00 -
[34] - Quote
Magnus Amadeuss wrote:
This is, case in point, the same way that penalties work in eve..
I will research further but I have not found anything to support this. As far as I can see innate skill based bonuses stack with no penalty, modules do get a penalty when stacked after the first of a type; high to low, but innates do not multiply the un-stacked penalty modifier as you are showing in your formula.
Everything Dropship youtube channel
my Community Spotlight
|
MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
398
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 08:54:00 -
[35] - Quote
Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:I'll ask about, I think I know a minnie swarmer but can't remember his name. Hes on my regular playlist though so Ill see If I can get his help.
Alright, because I've always wanted to get the results of different types of AV vs different types of vehicle fits captured on video in controlled environments. Of course I know controlled =/= "real battle" situation but it's a good indication of what could be in the perfect world.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
|
Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1933
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 09:09:00 -
[36] - Quote
-- my bad
Everything Dropship youtube channel
my Community Spotlight
|
Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
826
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 13:35:00 -
[37] - Quote
Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:
This is, case in point, the same way that penalties work in eve..
I will research further but I have not found anything to support this. As far as I can see innate skill based bonuses stack with no penalty, modules do get a penalty when stacked after the first of a type; high to low, but innates do not multiply the un-stacked penalty modifier as you are showing in your formula.
I am trying to figure out what you mean, because there is no stacking penalty applied to skills. Here lets look at that equation again:
5.25 * 1.4 * 1.05 * (1 + 0.08*1.03) * (1 + 0.08*1.03*0.87) = 8.9522 m/sec
I have to assume that you think that the bolded bit, 0.87, is a stacking penalty applied to the skill? Well that is not how it works, here let me show you something.
5.25 * 1.4 * 1.05 * (1 + X) * (1 + X * 0.87)
X=the module base (in this case 0.08 bonus or a 8% bonus) multiplied by the skill modifier ( 1.03 or a 3% bonus)
It doesn't matter what order those terms come because multiplication is commutative.
Ok so let me turn this around on you judge...
What is the equation you are using in your model?
Fixing swarms
|
MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
399
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 13:44:00 -
[38] - Quote
Judge, just come kill me ingame with your friends, I want facts, not maths, lol. Seriously tho, I really wanna see the outcomes of different situations.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
|
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6746
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 13:49:00 -
[39] - Quote
Delanus Turgias wrote:Why has nobody pointed out the fact that the Minmatar Commando bonus doesn't affect swarms? The explosive bonus is only for the Mass Driver, not the Swarm Launcher as well, CCP has stated this multiple times.
Wait....
What?!?!
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
-HAND
|
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6746
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 13:52:00 -
[40] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:Judge, just come kill me ingame with your friends, I want facts, not maths, lol. Seriously tho, I really wanna see the outcomes of different situations.
You mean a field study? Last time I checked, math is facts. 
I'll be happy to tag along with you.
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
-HAND
|
|
|
MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
399
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 13:59:00 -
[41] - Quote
Atiim wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Judge, just come kill me ingame with your friends, I want facts, not maths, lol. Seriously tho, I really wanna see the outcomes of different situations. You mean a field study? Last time I checked, math is facts. I'll be happy to tag along with you.
You got some serious AV weaponry with serious skills? And recording equipment? Cause I don't have recording equipment, I have that serious AV but then again I'm the crazy guy here offering unlimited amount of vehicles to be destroyed in a number of ways.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
|
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6747
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 14:01:00 -
[42] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:Atiim wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Judge, just come kill me ingame with your friends, I want facts, not maths, lol. Seriously tho, I really wanna see the outcomes of different situations. You mean a field study? Last time I checked, math is facts. I'll be happy to tag along with you. You got some serious AV weaponry with serious skills? And recording equipment? Cause I don't have recording equipment, I have that serious AV but then again I'm the crazy guy here offering unlimited amount of vehicles to be destroyed in a number of ways.
I've got all of my SL skills maxed besides specialization and reload speed.
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
-HAND
|
MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
399
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 14:10:00 -
[43] - Quote
Atiim wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Atiim wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Judge, just come kill me ingame with your friends, I want facts, not maths, lol. Seriously tho, I really wanna see the outcomes of different situations. You mean a field study? Last time I checked, math is facts. I'll be happy to tag along with you. You got some serious AV weaponry with serious skills? And recording equipment? Cause I don't have recording equipment, I have that serious AV but then again I'm the crazy guy here offering unlimited amount of vehicles to be destroyed in a number of ways. I've got all of my SL skills maxed besides specialization and reload speed.
But you have no recording equipment, right? So it would still be word against word in the end. And by facts I mean that maths just show how things should be and facts (field testing) shows how things actually are. We all know how wrong CCP can get their stuff.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
|
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1276
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 14:15:00 -
[44] - Quote
just save yourself the time because if you do the math (correctly unlike the OP) the tank would still survive the whole swarm clip |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6747
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 15:04:00 -
[45] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:Atiim wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Atiim wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Judge, just come kill me ingame with your friends, I want facts, not maths, lol. Seriously tho, I really wanna see the outcomes of different situations. You mean a field study? Last time I checked, math is facts. I'll be happy to tag along with you. You got some serious AV weaponry with serious skills? And recording equipment? Cause I don't have recording equipment, I have that serious AV but then again I'm the crazy guy here offering unlimited amount of vehicles to be destroyed in a number of ways. I've got all of my SL skills maxed besides specialization and reload speed. But you have no recording equipment, right? So it would still be word against word in the end. And by facts I mean that maths just show how things should be and facts (field testing) shows how things actually are. We all know how wrong CCP can get their stuff.
Well Judge does have an ALT with Swarm Launchers, so he could easily do the same.
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
-HAND
|
MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
401
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 15:46:00 -
[46] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Well Judge does have an ALT with Swarm Launchers, so he could easily do the same.
He could, but he's no showing, so to speak.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
|
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6750
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 15:49:00 -
[47] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:Atiim wrote:Well Judge does have an ALT with Swarm Launchers, so he could easily do the same. He could, but he's no showing, so to speak.
I'll just ask him in game then.
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
-HAND
|
Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1941
|
Posted - 2014.04.15 16:07:00 -
[48] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:Atiim wrote:Well Judge does have an ALT with Swarm Launchers, so he could easily do the same. He could, but he's no showing, so to speak.
I don't have a minie commando on that alt. Though I could spec into it.
Everything Dropship youtube channel
my Community Spotlight
|
CLONE117
True Pros Forever
770
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 21:18:00 -
[49] - Quote
the way i see passive tanking should be.it should have the ability to withstand multiple attacks over a long period of time.such as small attacks. which is what it does currently. but is extremely weak to anything to do with massive alpha dmg.which kills it pretty quick if sustained long enough.
active tanking i kinda feel should be the opposite in a way. strong durability against high alpha. but dies to the multiple attacks over time.
the way the tank performs is in fast recovery though. which is perfectly fine by me.any pause in an enemies small attacks and it survives the encounter.
thus why its efficient against single av units. or blaster turrets.
mlt vets are eternal. they shall be the bane to proto scrubs everywhere...
|
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
763
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 21:26:00 -
[50] - Quote
Delanus Turgias wrote:Why has nobody pointed out the fact that the Minmatar Commando bonus doesn't affect swarms? The explosive bonus is only for the Mass Driver, not the Swarm Launcher as well, CCP has stated this multiple times.
Woah there, pig. You're gonna need a source for that claim.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |