your math looks off as regards shield to armour pass-through. how are you calculating that?

I just modeled this and the math is off. The damage to shields is more like 1578 (assuming infinite shields) , if I read your build correctly. So this error effects the carry over.


In simple to read terms. The 6 missiles do 1320 base. Add 19.6% more due to the damage mods. So around 1578. This is the alpha that hits the shield. the reduction is 20% of this amount as swarms are 20% less efficient to shields. But its only 20% of the available shields. that's 240.

So the shield hit is 1578 - 240 = 1338. so shields are gone. 138 passes to armour.

I make it 3818 remaining HP after hit 1

Damage mods are 5% now judge

yes but two damage mods as stated in the OP @ 5% and the commando (proto lvl) 10% damage bonus is 19.6% assuming the stack penalty starys on the first 5 not the base 10

the distance wouldn't matter because since the missiles travel at the same speed and their going the same distance the only the that makes the missiles arrive at different times is the time between the volleys themselves

I hope you don't mind but I charted this for you OP (with corrected math) as many people won't make it past the wall of math text (which I totally enjoyed reading). This is when the tank is still and zero meters away and ther is no time between shots. This is not a realistic engagement


This is the tank is moving away as you shoot it chart with reloads factored, but assumes you never miss, no buildings get in the way and no-one interrupts your lock on.

Basically the second chart, which is very generous toward the swarmer means you are not killing that tank alone. ever. Real world with buildings and people trying to kill you looks like this.

The second chart means you might kill a bad tanker solo....but he would have to be sucking more than anyone in the history of sucking. In reality chart 3 is the one to look at.....You'll need a friend. That much is clear.

Oh, that red bar... that's you if he has a proto blaster turret.... Good luck.

just trying to clarify this Magnus

1) Commandos get a 10% damage bonus.

2) He adds a complex mod at 5%. That's 15% as this is the first mod so no stacking penalty.

3) Then another mod at 5% but this one has a stacking penalty.

This brings the total damage bonus to 19.6% as the initial 10% is not subject to a stacking penalty, nor is the first module as it is not stacked on anything.

I have not seen evidence to support the innate 10% increasing the modules % by 10%, making a 5% module do more than 5%.

Why has nobody pointed out the fact that the Minmatar Commando bonus doesn't affect swarms? The explosive bonus is only for the Mass Driver, not the Swarm Launcher as well, CCP has stated this multiple times.

Why has nobody pointed out the fact that the Minmatar Commando bonus doesn't affect swarms? The explosive bonus is only for the Mass Driver, not the Swarm Launcher as well, CCP has stated this multiple times.

CCP has stated this multiple times.

In every form of the equation i have seen, each damage module is multiplicative after the stacking penalty applies.

This menas that you would have scenerio where

[Damage through skills (proficiency if applicaable)] * [damage through skills (suit bonus if applicable)] * [1+1st module] * [1+(2nd damage module*1st stacking penalty)]and so on.

In this instance that would be

[1.10] * [1.05] *[1+(0.05*0.87) = 1.205

Actually the same math is applied throughout dust, so allow me a courtesy here. I will do two sprinting modules with the aforementioned math on my scout suit.

I have lvl 5 biotic(+1% per lvl to sprint speed) upgrades and lvl 3 kintec catalyzation (+1% per lvl to module efficiency)

Using the equation described above my sprint speed should be

base * sprint multiplier * biotic skill * (1+ [module * skill]) * (1 + [module*skill*stacking penalty])

I have an amarr scout so:

5.25 * 1.4 * 1.05 * (1 + 0.08*1.03) * (1 + 0.08*1.03*0.87) = 8.9522 m/sec

This is confirmed in-game. This means that the modules themselves are each individually multiplied to for the end result, rather than added.

EDIT: Crap, I totally forgot to adress your steps there.

1.1 (commando bonus)

add in one complex light damage modifier

1.1*1.05=1.155 or 15.5% more damage at this point

add in a third

1.1*1.05*(1+ [0.05*.87])=1.2052425 or +20.52425% damage

or you could just multiply the 2nd damage mod directly into the end result.

One last edit:

I should have enough to do kinetic catalyzation lvl 4 soon, I will do that and reapply the forumla to ensure accuracy, if you would like I can also post here with the results.

I think you are testing a bug with kincats not applying a stacking penalty or it being inverse, rather than the formula for innate skills effect on modules.

1320 base
15% from proficency (only against armor)
10% from commando bonus
9.56% from mods
+20% against armor
-20% against shields
shields 19.56% - 20% = -0.44%
armor 34.56% + 20% = 54.56%

damage vs shields = 1320 / 1.0044 = 1314.2 (1315)
damage vs armor = 1320 / 0.4544 = 2904.9 (2905)

wrong math is wrong.

(220 * 1,15 * 1,1 * 1.0956 * 1.2) * 6 = 2195 => this is your damage per volley against armor
(220 * 1,15 * 1,1 * 1.0956 * 0.8) * 6 = 1463 => this is your damage per volley against shields

Are you not applying the 15% prof against armour to shields here? (using the numbers provided as they are by the OP) is it not 1263? (assuming infinate shields)

I had better go double check the Minne prof skill description to be sure.