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ratamaq doc
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:46:00 -
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Tanks can be solo'd. It takes a lot of skill points and a lot of dedication to do it though. Everything has to go right for the AVer and wrong for the tanker.
It's Dropships that **** me off. With tanks, I can avoid them, hunt them, engage them on my terms if I plan correctly, and I have a multitude of AV options to use in conjunction to take them down. With Dropships, I can only engage when they choose, I have to spend much more time with my eyes off my surroundings (looking up), I'm extreamly limited in my AV options, and Dropships can very quickly avoid those weapon's ranges at the first sign of trouble.
I do keep a short list of tankers I watch out for, but it is ONLY Dropship pilots that I offer Milions of ISK to my squad mates for removing the ship from inventory.
I hope CCP increases swarm velocity, that is all that is really needed. It's utter BS that a transport can outrun a missle. These things aren't spyplanes, they're floating cargo containers with guns.
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ratamaq doc
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Posted - 2014.04.16 04:36:00 -
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Fellow AVers, we can take a high ground here. We shouldn't ask for too much more by way of buffing AV or nerfing tanks. Balance is really close. The only things I would like to see is a RoF nerf on the blaster coupled with a damage buff to keep the same DPS vs tanks but less effective vs infantry, third AV grenade back, or a buff to it's damage, swarm velocity increse, and fix the skill bonus bug to get forge back to where it's suppose to be.
Tanks ARE soloable now. Proof is in this video. If you want to hunt tanks alone, you need to use a combination of AV weapons to do it, you don't have to lay traps and wait, you can use an LAV to position yourselves. The fitting I used in that video cost 71k. All of that footage was shot in one night.
We don't need tanks back to where they were prior to 1.6. Back then I could neutralize damn near any tank alone with only AV nades for MLT and Av Nades and Swarms for anything larger. See this video if you forgot how easy it was for a single dedicated AV guy to shut a tank down before the rebalance.
If we demand too much than we are no different than the pilots who brought us 1.7.
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ratamaq doc
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:32:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Fellow AVers, we can take a high ground here. We shouldn't ask for too much more by way of buffing AV or nerfing tanks. Balance is really close. The only things I would like to see is a RoF nerf on the blaster coupled with a damage buff to keep the same DPS vs tanks but less effective vs infantry, third AV grenade back, or a buff to it's damage, swarm velocity increse, and fix the skill bonus bug to get forge back to where it's suppose to be. Tanks ARE soloable now. Proof is in this video. If you want to hunt tanks alone, you need to use a combination of AV weapons to do it, you don't have to lay traps and wait, you can use an LAV to position yourselves. The fitting I used in that video cost 71k. All of that footage was shot in one night. We don't need tanks back to where they were prior to 1.6. Back then I could neutralize damn near any tank alone with only AV nades for MLT and Av Nades and Swarms for anything larger. See this video if you forgot how easy it was for a single dedicated AV guy to shut a tank down before the rebalance. If we demand too much than we are no different than the pilots who brought us 1.7. both videos are the perfect examples how to not drive a tank, thanks for making yourself look stupid. if you want to show some evidence, atleast show some properly fit and driven full hp tanks being shot by AV and not some scrubs not moving in the middle of several enemies or even crashing into walls. btw a proper fit max sp armor tank in 1.6 could absorb tripple damage modded swarms from a single person for 15 seconds and move on. if you do not know how this was done then you are simply not entitled to talk about 1.6 tanks and tanks in general because you simply have no clue.
I didn't catch all the names of the people I killed in that video, but is Big Burns from Escrow a Scrub? He lost two tanks to me that night. How about 8213? Not sure of his piloting skills, but I see him here quite a bit, so I have to asume he knows a little bit about the game. Like I said, every tank that went down in the first video took place in one night. You can beat your chest and declair what your eyes see is not true all you want, even insult me (classy), but it doesn't change the fact that those were tanks, of various hull types, various pilots, on various maps, although all in Ambush, and they all went down. And this super duper god tank from 1.6 you speak of must have been so super secret only know by the very few, the best, cool guy, super 1337 pilots, that it never crossed my path. In 1.6 it was rare that I even pulled proto AV, Most of the time ADV was all that was needed. Didn't your corp teach you to Have some Class, and act like you've been there?
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ratamaq doc
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:29:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Jack McReady wrote:ratamaq doc wrote: ..snip.. Tanks ARE soloable now. Proof is in this video. If you want to hunt tanks alone, you need to use a combination of AV weapons to do it, you don't have to lay traps and wait, you can use an LAV to position yourselves. The fitting I used in that video cost 71k. All of that footage was shot in one night. We don't need tanks back to where they were prior to 1.6. Back then I could neutralize damn near any tank alone with only AV nades for MLT and Av Nades and Swarms for anything larger. See this video if you forgot how easy it was for a single dedicated AV guy to shut a tank down before the rebalance. If we demand too much than we are no different than the pilots who brought us 1.7. both videos are the perfect examples how to not drive a tank, thanks for making yourself look stupid. if you want to show some evidence, atleast show some properly fit and driven full hp tanks being shot by AV and not some scrubs not moving in the middle of several enemies or even crashing into walls. btw a proper fit max sp armor tank in 1.6 could absorb tripple damage modded swarms from a single person for 15 seconds and move on. if you do not know how this was done then you are simply not entitled to talk about 1.6 tanks and tanks in general because you simply have no clue. I didn't catch all the names of the people I killed in that video, but is Big Burns from Escrow a Scrub? He lost two tanks to me that night. How about 8213? Not sure of his piloting skills, but I see him here quite a bit, so I have to asume he knows a little bit about the game. Like I said, every tank that went down in the first video took place in one night. You can beat your chest and declair what your eyes see is not true all you want, even insult me (classy), but it doesn't change the fact that those were tanks, of various hull types, various pilots, on various maps, although all in Ambush, and they all went down. And this super duper god tank from 1.6 you speak of must have been so super secret only know by the very few, the best, cool guy, super 1337 pilots, that it never crossed my path. In 1.6 it was rare that I even pulled proto AV, Most of the time ADV was all that was needed. Didn't your corp teach you to Have some Class, and act like you've been there? lol oh well lets check the ambush tank hunting video, shall we analyze it? 1. unhardened, wasnt full hp & crashes into wall => scrub 2. unhardened, wasnt full hp & sitting in the open field doing nothing => scrub 3. militia tank which had remote explosive stacked on him already before, he charged right in front of you then was standing still. no comment 4. shield tank deep in armor already, true damage was done by another tank 5. unhardened shield tank with no booster sitting in the open with half shields => scrub 6. unhardened shield tank with no booster... and so on, we have a pattern here, most of them have a useless fit and do scrub moves because "its a tank". shall I continue? and just as I thought, you have no clue about 1.6 tanking. it was shown with vides and math was posted right in the forums when tank overhaul was announced, not my fault that you missed it.
Sure lets do that.
1. I wasn't alone for this one, had a partner on my Small Rail armed with ADV swarm, probably a scrub. 2. I wasn't the only one on this one as well, but most of his damage was due to him shooting off the REs I placed on him, swarms finished him off. Scrub, but smart enough to know to remove REs himself in the back field, he just didn't move far enough into the back field for me to cover the ground to reengage. Unhardened, but looking at his reps, he was trying the other "op" tank fitting. 3. was a maddy, hardened, not a milita. The REs stacked on him were from a previous life of mine, which is why I triggered. His hardened maddy dropped to a total of 3 swarm volleys, 2 ADV Pack AV grenades, and 2 REs, while in 2 lives, all damage inflicted by me. 4. This was Big Burns gunlogi. He escaped the first engagement where something else did dent his shields and caused him to activate his hardener. I continued to pelt him until he got out of range, then chased him down to finish him off. I didn't get the tank kill with the final 1 swarm, 2 AV Nades, and 2 REs, but I did get the kill on him when he tried to jump out of his doomed gunlogi. He was not 'Deep into armor' at our final engagement. Unless you were talking about the missile gunlogi that got away. I disengaged that guy because there was a Rail on the mountain that would've taken my LAV out if I continued to pursue the missile gunlogi. That tank possibly only survived because the game ended before I could finish him off. 5. Maybe you confused this one with 4? This was 8213, he was deep into armor, but that was from a prior from me where the only thing that saved him was a SG to the back while I was fighting him, which is why at the start of that clip I know right where to reengage.
Sure we could go on and one, but your statement implies that every tank on the field should be a fully fit gunlogi/maddy piloted by the best tankers in the game, and that all balance should be based around that. This is not the reality on the ground. I don't mind as much if one of them gets the better of me because he is invested in both ISK and SP into his role, and it is still a toss up vs me because I am coming at him with the best light infantry has to offer. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose as it should be.
I'm really not clear about the argument you're trying to make here, other than just to insult me for some reason? Most offer words, which are worth next to nothing, some offer math, which are only worth their values, I offer footage of real battle situations and you cry "but scrubs and maths and you're stupid"
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ratamaq doc
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:39:00 -
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IR Scifi wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Galthur wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:I am open to major AV buff once vehicles get the variety back. Also more direct and indirect AV weaponry to get the rock paper scissors, not rock paper nuke. Two words Plasma Cannon I read a lot of people saying it's good for killing tanks. I have actually said it's UP weapon on many occasions but then PLC users come and bash me for calling it UP. They are semi effective on shield tanks if the driver is dumb enough to stick around but they are pathetically useless against most armor tanks. Between the reload time and bonus to shields they can usually out-rep the damage. Edit: It's possible that the commando bonus could make up for the reload speed issue, I'm skeptical but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
I think the problem with the PLC is that it doesn't scale as well as the swarm launcher. Where the PLC gets the standard 5% increase between tiers, the Swarm gets an extra missle which amounts to a 25% then 50% increase in damage. This makes the PLC better vs shields at STD, but the swarm better vs shields at Proto due to raw damage output negating the shield bonus/resistence.
That being said, I'm not a PLC user and only pulled it out for laughs when the whole squad is drunk. So it may be a great weapon in the proper hands.
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