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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
81
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:22:00 -
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There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit. |
THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
658
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:30:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit. I wish my ADV suits would cost 37K
Mmmm Scout ak.0
Projects: TDBS | SDETool
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
178
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:01:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit.
If you aren't making profit in a 37k suit you need to learn to run cheaper gear when you're taking a hit. My ADV Logi costs 50k, if I die more than I want I switch to a 15k fit to maximise profit/minimise loss.
It isn't a hard concept to figure out, why can no one budget? |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1086
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:08:00 -
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I have said this before, but I wish they calculated other things into the equation, like what gear is being used vs each other in a particular kill.
Protobears should not get the same isk for killing a militia fitted player that a player in militia gear taking down a proto wearing player.
Likewise, players that stick around for an entire battle despite knowing they would lose, yet still not leaving or AFKing, should be rewarded accordingly.
As it stands, the game mostly rewards killing and not being killed, which will only encourage tank spam and protostomping (which can be funded by the blue waffle, and isn't something new or casual players can draw from).
Looking for the scout hangout?
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1840
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:18:00 -
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ISK payout is fine. Play smarter and die less, or drop down to standard/BPO gear for a while to build up an ISK buffer.
Nerdier than thou
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deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
327
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:23:00 -
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Anyone saying raise ISK payouts clearly has not taken the time to look at how the payout system even functions.
If you want a higher payout cause more ISK to be lost and score higher to get your cut of that money. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1279
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:19:00 -
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I should get a higher salary.
I can't afford to keep buying all these supercars.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3627
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:26:00 -
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Just like in real life, if you wanna be rich you have to work more jobs (play all Starter Fits on an alt and send the profit to yourself) or cheat (get bad scrub)
I GÖú Kittens.
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
85
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:00:00 -
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Rizlax Yazzax wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit. If you aren't making profit in a 37k suit you need to learn to run cheaper gear when you're taking a hit. My ADV Logi costs 50k, if I die more than I want I switch to a 15k fit to maximise profit/minimise loss. It isn't a hard concept to figure out, why can no one budget? I didn't say anything about profit I'm fine that way seems to me you would probably argue anything. All I said is there should be more Isk payout that's it. |
Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
85
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:02:00 -
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Buggers like to argue. |
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Vulpes Dolosus
Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance
1384
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:14:00 -
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I run STD and consistently place top 5 in pubs (+125k). My suits only cost ~16k and are marginally inferior to my ADV fits. I die maybe 2-4 times a match, and even my worst (+7 deaths) I turn a profit or only lose a small amount.
Me in my ADS: 1,2
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Shadowswipe
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
237
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:23:00 -
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Die less. Don't use advanced suits until you are dying less than 5 times a match. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3350
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:24:00 -
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Lots of pubs are boring. I think that is directly related to accountants, err... I mean mercenaries are being too cheap for the match to be fun.
I like fun. Why on earth do people argue against payout increases? This is like turning down a raise at work. It's weird.
Level 3 Forum Warrior
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
715
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:25:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit.
My advanced suits range from 45-55k, from Scout, Logistics, Commando, Assault and (surprisingly) my heavy is the cheapest at 25k.
And yet, I die 8-10 times a match, 5 on a good day. The payout is usually 130k - 280k. Which hardly ever covers the losses. There is absolutely no possible way to make up for this loss in the game right now. It's why everyone is always broke.
Newb
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
715
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:28:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:Die less. Don't use advanced suits until you are dying less than 5 times a match.
This is just dumb.
You wear cheaper suits, and you get less survivability (spelling?) which means you die more. Adv is a good area between the crap gear and the very good gear. Even in the very good gear your survivability is just (and by just I mean very slightly) above the crap gear. You will die instantly to a forge gun, instantly to a shot gun, instantly to an orbital, instantly to a blaster tank/rail tank, instantly to being run over, Remote explosive, etc etc in your proto suit as you will in your adv suit and basic suit.
They need to pay out more so that you can justify wearing at least advanced gear, otherwise there is no point to running anything above the militia blueprint set (which means dying a ton but making 100% profit... ) and there is no fun in that.
Newb
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
2016
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:29:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit. My advanced suits range from 45-55k, from Scout, Logistics, Commando, Assault and (surprisingly) my heavy is the cheapest at 25k. And yet, I die 8-10 times a match, 5 on a good day. The payout is usually 130k - 280k. Which hardly ever covers the losses. There is absolutely no possible way to make up for this loss in the game right now. It's why everyone is always broke. Git Gud Maybe?
ISK Donuts are delicious
Q_Q Moar
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Ion Crush
Altyr Initiative
162
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:33:00 -
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Payouts should be higher if you win a match. Gives people a reason to try. |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
925
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:44:00 -
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All the expected reply's. Run cheap or now non existent BPO fits. Die less when you have 1/60th the SP as half the people on the field. Be awesome like me and place in the top five. Kill more protobears and increase the payout.
All utter crap to someone just starting out, and I wager many are suggesting running cheap fits with low SP because they need someone to farm WP from. To those that didn't get the beta sale of their inventory ISK is a ***** to grind, thinking otherwise is ridiculous.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you!
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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PLAYSTTION
Universal Allies Inc.
91
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:44:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit. YES do this
-Open Beta Vet 20 mil sp-
Laser+Flaylock
Dust 514 recruitment link here.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1095
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:55:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:All the expected reply's. Run cheap or now non existent BPO fits. Die less when you have 1/60th the SP as half the people on the field. Be awesome like me and place in the top five. Kill more protobears and increase the payout.
All utter crap to someone just starting out, and I wager many are suggesting running cheap fits with low SP because they need someone to farm WP from. To those that didn't get the beta sale of their inventory ISK is a ***** to grind, thinking otherwise is ridiculous.
I didn't say just kill protobears, but it would help significantly if those just starting out got more isk for being forced to take on those in superior gear.
Likewise, discouraging vets from stomping on noobs by paying them less also helps out.
I fail to see how either of these factors would NOT be helpful to a new player, so if there is something concrete I am missing, I am all ears (eyes).
Looking for the scout hangout?
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Sir Dukey
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
788
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:06:00 -
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Rizlax Yazzax wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit. If you aren't making profit in a 37k suit you need to learn to run cheaper gear when you're taking a hit. My ADV Logi costs 50k, if I die more than I want I switch to a 15k fit to maximise profit/minimise loss. It isn't a hard concept to figure out, why can no one budget?
STFU, if you run cheaper, you are more likely to not have as much fun because you cannot fir what you want. I.E. proto nova knifes. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
649
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:10:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Lots of pubs are boring. I think that is directly related to accountants, err... I mean mercenaries are being too cheap for the match to be fun.
I like fun. Why on earth do people argue against payout increases? This is like turning down a raise at work. It's weird. no its like arguing against a million dollar an hour minimum wage increase
It'll help define roles, i promise:)
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Zack3000 Smith
SilenT AngelS
49
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:17:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:There needs to be bigger Isk payouts at the end of public matches I get anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000isk per battle depending on how many times you die it's not worth it I run all advanced my suit costs about 37,000 to fill the whole suit.
Dude.. Git Gud. This is not CoD. Stop dying so much or stop the run'gun tactic. |
deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
329
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:22:00 -
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Payouts go up if ISK lost in battle goes up.
As long as you are getting paired with newbs in starter fits you get what you deserve for killing them. If you can not kill enough newbs in starter fits with your basic fits to make a profit higher level gear is not going to fix your problem. |
Zack3000 Smith
SilenT AngelS
49
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:26:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:Die less. Don't use advanced suits until you are dying less than 5 times a match. This is just dumb. You wear cheaper suits, and you get less survivability (spelling?) which means you die more. Adv is a good area between the crap gear and the very good gear. Even in the very good gear your survivability is just (and by just I mean very slightly) above the crap gear. You will die instantly to a forge gun, instantly to a shot gun, instantly to an orbital, instantly to a blaster tank/rail tank, instantly to being run over, Remote explosive, etc etc in your proto suit as you will in your adv suit and basic suit. They need to pay out more so that you can justify wearing at least advanced gear, otherwise there is no point to running anything above the militia blueprint set (which means dying a ton but making 100% profit... ) and there is no fun in that.
that is why people calls it the grind..if you run ambush and do what you can. instead of being rambo you will make a profit fairly quickly. |
Egypt Musk
154
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:33:00 -
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This is one of those situations thats its tuff to pick a side .
I can agree that it isk payout need to be a bit higher not by much but marginally for those with out BPO's to be able to make some isk.
There is allays the issues of players wanting to play with fits outside there pay bracket causing bankruptcy. If you do not know how to balance your books your never going to turn a profit period.
My 3 money making fits ATM are
Templar Sentanl 1x Militia dmg mod bpo 2x Militia armor plate bpo Templar Scarmler pistol Heavy machine gun Flux grenade/av grenade/Militia locus grenade bpo
total cost 2200 isk non bpo variant 5000 isk
Large profit suit for sure
Amar Templar logi 2 x militia dmg mod bpo militia armor plate bpo militia armor rep bpo dren ar bpo/ Templar scrambler rifle bpo Templar scrambler pistol bpo Templar uplink bpo militia uplink bpo
cost 0 isk isk variant 5000 isk
Caldari commando
militia dmg mod bpo basic shield energizer dren ar bpo rail rifle
cost 6000 isk full is variant 6500
notice the prices for the fits I could die 50-100 times in a battle and still turn a profit ( even if I ran the full isk variants).
To the new guys out there get your core skills up and you will see these fits survivability sky rocket.
Find a truly cheap fit with a 7k isk max limit get your wallet up to min a 100m ( should take about a month for some one who caps weekly ) and problem solved. |
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