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Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:24:00 -
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Missile launchers in eve are a main weapon system to the caldari with a secondary main system in Minmatar but all the races have dedicated missile boats. I propose that Swarms become a race neutral weapon system with 4 different missiles be capable of being loaded into it with fitting damage profiles. What we have currently are minmatar missiles being shot out of the launchers.
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Starfire Revo
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:20:00 -
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If nothing else, this would give racial commandos a real choice for AV weapons. Right now the Minmatar commando has a large advantage because of it's ability to bring a serious AV light weapon to the table compared to other races.
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Deltahawk Durango
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:23:00 -
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twitter sent me here... definite +1
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:55:00 -
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Starfire Revo wrote:If nothing else, this would give racial commandos a real choice for AV weapons. Right now the Minmatar commando has a large advantage because of it's ability to bring a serious AV light weapon to the table compared to other races.
I use them on a gallente commando and I'm swimming just fine......
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2001
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:13:00 -
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Wait, Gallente..... oh wait nm I just remembered it lol
Anyways, any launcher is made by Caldari, so your comparison makes no sense. What you would actually be asking for is a suit bonused for just using swarms.
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
Armed-n-Hammered
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:17:00 -
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Slow down there, racial swarms would not fit. What we need is the rest of the racial AV weapons. The Caldari use the Forge Gun and Swarm launcher, rail and missile weapons, as they are Caldari.
Not racial swarms, but the rest of the AV weapons
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Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:18:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Slow down there, racial swarms would not fit. What we need is the rest of the racial AV weapons. The Caldari use the Forge Gun and Swarm launcher, rail and missile weapons, as they are Caldari.
Not racial swarms, but the rest of the AV weapons
I'm not asking for racial swarms. I'm asking for racial missiles to put in the swarms.
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Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:30:00 -
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The swarms Aren't a bad idea but there should be racial av weaponry the caldari having swarms is a joke, they don't have any racial bonus to swarm tech and the range is shorter than you'd expect from caldari at 175m, i think the forge gun is actually gallente( it'scloser to a plasma than any of the caldari tech in dust) but the amarr have nothing and neither do minmatar although they get a racial bonus for the caldari weapon .  |
Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
Armed-n-Hammered
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:34:00 -
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Snake Sellors wrote:The swarms Aren't a bad idea but there should be racial av weaponry the caldari having swarms is a joke, they don't have any racial bonus to swarm tech and the range is shorter than you'd expect from caldari at 175m, i think the forge gun is actually gallente( it'scloser to a plasma than any of the caldari tech in dust) but the amarr have nothing and neither do minmatar although they get a racial bonus for the caldari weapon .
The Forge gun is Caldari, because the projectile is accelerated along a rail. Keep in mind that the Gallente and Caldari both use 'Hybrid Weapons", Blasters, such as the assault rifle, and rails, such as the rail rifle, that work on the same principle (I don't know exactly but they are the same idea). The 'Ishukone' Forge Gun is obviously Caldari, as Ishukone is one of the 8 Caldari Megacorps. Swarms are missiles, and missiles are primarily used by the Caldari. Though Minmatar do use missiles, so that may explain the bonus they get (The Minmatar have a good number of missile boats in EVE, Talwar, Cyclone, Breacher, Typhoon), but projectile is their primary.
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Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services
Armed-n-Hammered
109
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:31:00 -
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Adelia Lafayette wrote:Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:Slow down there, racial swarms would not fit. What we need is the rest of the racial AV weapons. The Caldari use the Forge Gun and Swarm launcher, rail and missile weapons, as they are Caldari.
Not racial swarms, but the rest of the AV weapons
I'm not asking for racial swarms. I'm asking for racial missiles to put in the swarms.
If so then you'd be calling for the implementation of select-able ammunition, and I don't know how well that would work, as that would be very difficult and confusing in an FPS.
I say this because you'd end up with a lot of ammunition types for Hybrids, Projectiles, and Energy weapons.
For example, and if following the way EVE does it, Hybrid weapons would be able to load:
Antimatter Charge
Iridium Charge
iron Charge
Lead Charge
Plutonium Charge
Thorium Charge
Tungsten Charge
Uranium Charge
Every single one of these does something that affects the gun, tracking, damage, range, capacitor (an EVE only thing right now). Not only that, but how do you carry around the ammunition? Do you choose to put it on your suit when they are deploying? Have a bunch of copies of the same fit with different ammo? Could you change the ammo out?
However you are talking about swarms, and there are 4 different types of missiles in EVE
They are:
Scourge
Mjolnir
Nova
Inferno
Each does it's own damage type, Kinetic, EM, Thermal, and Explosive respectively. With only 4 it's a little easier, but if you do this for one weapon you do it for all weapons, which leads to problems
Edit: I'm not really disagreeing with you, but the problem is how that would work with the rest of the guns |
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
752
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:52:00 -
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This would be possible if weapon types and damage types in DUST were done as they are in EVE.
DUST has Laser, Hybrid - Plasma, Hybrid - Rail, Projectile, and Explosive weapon types and each weapon types has a set damage profile.
EVE has Energy, Hybrid, Projectile, and Missile weapon types along with EM, Thermal, Kinetic, and Explosive damage types. Every weapon does some combination of damage types i.e. Energy turrets do mostly EM with some Thermal. Missiles are selectable between the four damage types but only do one damage type at a time.
Shields and Armor in EVE have a standard resist profile against damage types, with Shields (typically) being weak against EM, strong against Explosive, and Armor (typically) being weak against Explosive, strong against EM.
The values of your ship's damage type resists can be adjusted by using various modules. The value of damage type your weapon does CANNOT be changed by any module, only the raw damage your weapon does can be increased.
See how EVE's system allows for much more flexibility?
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