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Awry Barux wrote:

Ziiro Celeste wrote:

Atiim, your argument is terrible.

139% to shields is TOO good making the scrambler rifle TOO specialized. There is never going to be a time where you will need to do that much shield damage.

Currently the tanking method is armor tanking and brick tanking. The massive damage the ScR does to shields simply means I get through shields quicker to do **** poor damage against armor since the proficiency skills changed.

Just because it is good at one thing doesn't mean it isn't UP. By your logic, the AR is fine since it does damage to shields primarily, but there are other factors such as range, DPS, ROF, etc that your thinking method shows you have simply chosen to ignore.

P.S. one line makes for a terrible argument, but I hope you enjoy your attempt for multiple "likes" you sad sad little man.

See, you say that, but I run a ~390 shield, 80 armor Ck.0 scout, and routinely get one-volleyed or OHKed by scrambler rifles. They're the weapon I fear most, precisely because they're so specialized. Not everyone bricks and armor tanks. The scrambler is fine, the problem is armor plates being too easy to stack and too effective for their low fitting cost.

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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6719	Posted - 2014.04.14 13:38:00 - [1] - Quote I saw a few threads talking about how Scrambler Rifles are underpowered, so I just wanted to ask. Are Scrambler Rifles effective against shields? #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
TCP Logihoe Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.04.14 13:42:00 - [2] - Quote No skill in my templar i still eat with it weopen requires skill like my post needs a spell check
Vulpes Dolosus Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1381	Posted - 2014.04.14 13:44:00 - [3] - Quote According to the newest DEV blog, they have a +20% effectiveness against sandwiches. Me in my ADS: 1,2
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 89	Posted - 2014.04.14 13:46:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim, your argument is terrible. 139% to shields is TOO good making the scrambler rifle TOO specialized. There is never going to be a time where you will need to do that much shield damage. Currently the tanking method is armor tanking and brick tanking. The massive damage the ScR does to shields simply means I get through shields quicker to do **** poor damage against armor since the proficiency skills changed. Just because it is good at one thing doesn't mean it isn't UP. By your logic, the AR is fine since it does damage to shields primarily, but there are other factors such as range, DPS, ROF, etc that your thinking method shows you have simply chosen to ignore. P.S. one line makes for a terrible argument, but I hope you enjoy your attempt for multiple "likes" you sad sad little man. The forgotten "A" in AAA
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1428	Posted - 2014.04.14 13:56:00 - [5] - Quote ^ This. ScR, while still effective in the right hands, is now too specialized in the shield destruction department. I, however, refuse to pick it up UNTIL they fix my heat build-up bonus. It is ridiculous that it is taking them this long to fix that specific problem because it is affecting all suits. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6720	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:05:00 - [6] - Quote Ziiro Celeste wrote: Atiim, your argument is terrible. 139% to shields is TOO good making the scrambler rifle TOO specialized. There is never going to be a time where you will need to do that much shield damage. What's wrong with specialization? Ziiro Celeste wrote: Currently the tanking method is armor tanking and brick tanking. The massive damage the ScR does to shields simply means I get through shields quicker to do **** poor damage against armor since the proficiency skills changed. So as opposed to fixing the balance between Shields and Armor, you think it would be a better idea to buff them? Have you ever thought about curing the disease, as opposed to the symptom? That last part is working as intended. As I've said 100 times over, it's a Laser Weapon Ziiro Celeste wrote: Just because it is good at one thing doesn't mean it isn't UP. By your logic, the AR is fine since it does damage to shields primarily, but there are other factors such as range, DPS, ROF, etc that your thinking method shows you have simply chosen to ignore. Well you would be correct, but if it's good at doing the one thing it's designed to be good at doing then it would indeed be working as intended. Though it's hard to guage DPS on a Semi-Auto weapon, and it's range and ROF is already in a good spot. The Gallente AR isn't underpowered either (well, at least not the vanilla variant). Perhaps you should try the Gallente Commando? [quote=Ziiro Celeste] P.S. one line makes for a terrible argument, but I hope you enjoy your attempt for multiple "likes" you sad sad little man. Well, it was't an argument, just a question. It became an argument when you decided to argue as opposed to answering the question. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Spike Slania CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 30	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:11:00 - [7] - Quote They only way I will ever pick up my Scrambler Rifle again is if I get my Amarr Assault again. That weapon should not be used by anything other then the Amarr Assault due to how fast it will over heat. With the dropsuit respec I went into Amarr Sentinels instead of Assaults to try something else. The Scrambler Rifle is great in the hands of the Amarr Assault, but any other suit and it's lack luster. Amarr Commando puts some polish on it, but still overheats way too fast to be able to stand up to other weapons like Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles. I'm not too far from you, I can't wait to see you, again and again
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1582	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:15:00 - [8] - Quote I feel like the scrambler rifle loses too much damage against armor, and has less killing potential than the rail/combat rifles due to armor being able to stack more HP than shield as well as armor being the last set of HP before killing someone. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1718	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:15:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: I saw a few threads talking about how Scrambler Rifles are underpowered, so I just wanted to ask. Are Scrambler Rifles effective against shields? I'm not a ScR user, but I am a dedicated Caldari assault dropsuit user... and HOLY **** YES THEY ARE EFFECTIVE AGAINST SHIELDS. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2755	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:21:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Atiim wrote: I saw a few threads talking about how Scrambler Rifles are underpowered, so I just wanted to ask. Are Scrambler Rifles effective against shields? I'm not a ScR user, but I am a dedicated Caldari assault dropsuit user... and HOLY ** YES THEY ARE EFFECTIVE AGAINST SHIELDS. Confirming. When I run minmatar assault the shield tanking fit is allergic to scrambler rifles. Victor Laszlo:** ... If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die.
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:22:00 - [11] - Quote I tried em out again recently and they do a ton of damage when charged. I've regularly dropped all shields and most armour of a suit with one good alpha strike to the face, then finish em off with a couple more shots (take the heat damage on your shields and run to recover) or your side arm. They are good but I agree they belong with Amarr Assault. Part time Logi, Full time heavy.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2945	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:24:00 - [12] - Quote One sharge shot almost always takes down someone's shields as long as they aren't a heavy. If you're using an amarr assault you can get two charge shots in without overheating. While it might not be the best weapon to use against an amarr or gallente heavy, it still absolutely tears through tanked caldari scouts, and other suits that rely on their shields. The 80% isn't that bad though. As long as you've got a good trigger finger, the only thing that's reallly against you is the overheat. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3927	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:29:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: I saw a few threads talking about how Scrambler Rifles are underpowered, so I just wanted to ask. Are Scrambler Rifles effective against shields? Of course it's effective against shields. But it takes 3 or 4 bursts to take out the bloody armour tanked scouts. That's all. I think the ScR is fine personally. It's users are just too used to taking people out in the first second of the engagement. TTK increases mean you need at least two bursts now. Which is a massive increase in TTK compared to the other rifles. No.
Lily Q Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:32:00 - [14] - Quote It is my primary weapon on the Amarr Scout and Amarr Commando. Shield suits are simple to take down, as are most scout suits. Heavies of all types can be a challenge, because they have so much armour, or resistance to the Scrambler, but this is how it should be. Gal Logi present a problem, but if you charge shot them you are into their armour, two to there more shots and switch to the sidearm to finish them. They just take a more cautious approach, I don't really see a problem with the Scrambler rifle right now. I am using only Advanced level light weapons, because most my SP is tied up in heavy weapons. If anything is a problem, it's the Proficiency bonus only affecting Shields which makes it less worthwhile to invest in because the weapon performs well without that bonus.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1445	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:34:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: I saw a few threads talking about how Scrambler Rifles are underpowered, so I just wanted to ask. Are Scrambler Rifles effective against shields? I don't see what the problem is... My SCR shoots just fine... Not insta Zaps people, it just takes 2-3 extra shots... (i don't charge that thing btw..)
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1837	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:36:00 - [16] - Quote Ziiro Celeste wrote: Atiim, your argument is terrible. 139% to shields is TOO good making the scrambler rifle TOO specialized. There is never going to be a time where you will need to do that much shield damage. Currently the tanking method is armor tanking and brick tanking. The massive damage the ScR does to shields simply means I get through shields quicker to do **** poor damage against armor since the proficiency skills changed. Just because it is good at one thing doesn't mean it isn't UP. By your logic, the AR is fine since it does damage to shields primarily, but there are other factors such as range, DPS, ROF, etc that your thinking method shows you have simply chosen to ignore. P.S. one line makes for a terrible argument, but I hope you enjoy your attempt for multiple "likes" you sad sad little man. See, you say that, but I run a ~390 shield, 80 armor Ck.0 scout, and routinely get one-volleyed or OHKed by scrambler rifles. They're the weapon I fear most, precisely because they're so specialized. Not everyone bricks and armor tanks. The scrambler is fine, the problem is armor plates being too easy to stack and too effective for their low fitting cost. Nerdier than thou
TCP Logihoe Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:26:00 - [17] - Quote It bleeds scouts the will to live pap pap ( what the helll) zzzzzzzzzz bam (HEADSHOT)
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 91	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:29:00 - [18] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Ziiro Celeste wrote: Atiim, your argument is terrible. 139% to shields is TOO good making the scrambler rifle TOO specialized. There is never going to be a time where you will need to do that much shield damage. Currently the tanking method is armor tanking and brick tanking. The massive damage the ScR does to shields simply means I get through shields quicker to do **** poor damage against armor since the proficiency skills changed. Just because it is good at one thing doesn't mean it isn't UP. By your logic, the AR is fine since it does damage to shields primarily, but there are other factors such as range, DPS, ROF, etc that your thinking method shows you have simply chosen to ignore. P.S. one line makes for a terrible argument, but I hope you enjoy your attempt for multiple "likes" you sad sad little man. See, you say that, but I run a ~390 shield, 80 armor Ck.0 scout, and routinely get one-volleyed or OHKed by scrambler rifles. They're the weapon I fear most, precisely because they're so specialized. Not everyone bricks and armor tanks. The scrambler is fine, the problem is armor plates being too easy to stack and too effective for their low fitting cost. You're one person out of 4000; the key is that the MAJORITY of players in this game brick/armor tank, not everyone is lucky enough to run into you every single engagement with a Scrambler. The forgotten "A" in AAA
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:33:00 - [19] - Quote Personally, I have no problem killing people with scrambler rifles. It takes longer, sure, making gun fights last a few seconds instead of the milliseconds of the rail rifle or half-second of the combat rifle, but that just makes the gunfight all the more fun. Seeing who dies first as we jump around through cover. Guess I'm in the minority for 'having fun' in a game.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2829	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:46:00 - [20] - Quote As steath scout ScR trust me i know when someone was shield tanked because they melt so fast i often think they are using newb gear. Cals are fun to chase around :-P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

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