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TTYL DUD
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Posted - 2014.04.14 00:53:00 -
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Well I KNOW that that the amarr and gallante having a sh*t to n of armor is core to the eve universe and so is the caldari having shields, but based on the appearance of the suits and vehicles this is blatantly wrong....
The caldari suits and vehicles have very severe armor sloping and angling, therefore (in real life) causing the amount of material that a projectile must penetrate to increase, thus maximizing the effectiveness of the armor.... Now having effective armor is not a chracteristic of the caldari race.
The gallente and amarr suits and vehicles have very round and thin looking material surfaces, thus indicating that these would need a strong shield to counteract the weak armor.
Now I know that the caldari will never (stock) have strong armor, and amarr and gallante will always have the strong armor, but I was wondering if anyone else noticed this.
I am not wanting to change core game mechanics, but I wanted to start a discussion on people's thoughts on this. |
Jonny D Buelle
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:11:00 -
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TTYL DUD wrote:Well I KNOW that that the amarr and gallante having a sh*t to n of armor is core to the eve universe and so is the caldari having shields, but based on the appearance of the suits and vehicles this is blatantly wrong....
The caldari suits and vehicles have very severe armor sloping and angling, therefore (in real life) causing the amount of material that a projectile must penetrate to increase, thus maximizing the effectiveness of the armor.... Now having effective armor is not a chracteristic of the caldari race.
The gallente and amarr suits and vehicles have very round and thin looking material surfaces, thus indicating that these would need a strong shield to counteract the weak armor.
Now I know that the caldari will never (stock) have strong armor, and amarr and gallante will always have the strong armor, but I was wondering if anyone else noticed this.
I am not wanting to change core game mechanics, but I wanted to start a discussion on people's thoughts on this.
It does make sense, however what I'm about to say will end this discussion. This game is apart of EVE Online, and in EVE, the Caldari ships are very angler with sharp points and ALOT of 90 degree angles. The Amarr are very rounded and rich looking. The Gallente are somewhat rounded with a little bit of sharpness. And the Minmatar are put together with duct tape and rust.
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TTYL DUD
Annunakei
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:21:00 -
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exactly because angular armor is way more effective than the armor of the amarr and gallante |
Jonny D Buelle
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:30:00 -
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TTYL DUD wrote:exactly because angular armor is way more effective than the armor of the amarr and gallante
Right, but what I'm saying is that each race has their own unique designs dating back to EVE Online which has been going since 2003. So why should they change the design of one race due to the fact that bullets would bounce of easier due to its design.
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:36:00 -
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The Armor on Amarr and Gallente suits are more than just simple metal plates though.
They are more akin to form fitting exoskeletons that harden upon impact to delfect incoming damage. Kind of like the nanosuit from Crysis.
Nanosuit>Angled Plates
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TTYL DUD
Annunakei
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:40:00 -
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Look at the last sentence I posted XD |
TTYL DUD
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:42:00 -
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Oh and the whole "hardening on impact" is not an excuse, because maybe the Calderon have that same armor in addition to the anglinh |
Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.04.14 02:39:00 -
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TTYL DUD wrote:Oh and the whole "hardening on impact" is not an excuse, because maybe the Calderon have that same armor in addition to the anglinh They don't.
The Caldari use simple Tritanium-Alloy plates over a thin kevlar like battle suit with a vast array of shield generators and shield computers. Their armor is resource and cost efficient, and isn't designed to take much damage. A Caldari suit has highly cost and resource efficient angled plates that are easy to mass produce. But they don't need any more than that, they have some of the best shields in the cluster.
So while their armor might be able to take a hit or three in some areas of the body, the thick self-hardening active armor on Gallente and Amarr suits are designed to take many hits even without their damage calculation computers offline.
The computers in armor (and shields) use sensor data to determine the angle, velocity, shape, structure, material, and density of incoming rounds, they use this data to harden the armor microseconds before impact, only in the areas that need to be hardened. The armors of Gallente and Amarr aren't efficiently designed, they are made for performance.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.04.14 02:57:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:TTYL DUD wrote:Oh and the whole "hardening on impact" is not an excuse, because maybe the Calderon have that same armor in addition to the anglinh They don't. The Caldari use simple Tritanium-Alloy plates over a thin kevlar like battle suit with a vast array of shield generators and shield computers. Their armor is resource and cost efficient, and isn't designed to take much damage. A Caldari suit has highly cost and resource efficient angled plates that are easy to mass produce. But they don't need any more than that, they have some of the best shields in the cluster. So while their armor might be able to take a hit or three in some areas of the body, the thick self-hardening active armor on Gallente and Amarr suits are designed to take many hits even without their damage calculation computers offline. The computers in armor (and shields) use sensor data to determine the angle, velocity, shape, structure, material, and density of incoming rounds, they use this data to harden the armor microseconds before impact, only in the areas that need to be hardened. The armors of Gallente and Amarr aren't efficiently designed, they are made for performance.
define 'efficient'
id say our armor IS efficient it what its meant to do: deflect damage. Amarr a bit more than Gallente. but Gallente armor can repair better than Amarr armor after taking damage.
as fore the designs, i thought the same thing as the topic poster. then i realised that its just racial architecture. Gallente things have more feminine curves than the jagged Caldari things. perhaps under the jagged points are shield generators and computers though.
the designs are fine. they are just part of the lore.
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.04.14 03:13:00 -
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General12912 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:TTYL DUD wrote:Oh and the whole "hardening on impact" is not an excuse, because maybe the Calderon have that same armor in addition to the anglinh They don't. The Caldari use simple Tritanium-Alloy plates over a thin kevlar like battle suit with a vast array of shield generators and shield computers. Their armor is resource and cost efficient, and isn't designed to take much damage. A Caldari suit has highly cost and resource efficient angled plates that are easy to mass produce. But they don't need any more than that, they have some of the best shields in the cluster. So while their armor might be able to take a hit or three in some areas of the body, the thick self-hardening active armor on Gallente and Amarr suits are designed to take many hits even without their damage calculation computers offline. The computers in armor (and shields) use sensor data to determine the angle, velocity, shape, structure, material, and density of incoming rounds, they use this data to harden the armor microseconds before impact, only in the areas that need to be hardened. The armors of Gallente and Amarr aren't efficiently designed, they are made for performance. define 'efficient' id say our armor IS efficient it what its meant to do: deflect damage. Amarr a bit more than Gallente. but Gallente armor can repair better than Amarr armor after taking damage. as fore the designs, i thought the same thing as the topic poster. then i realised that its just racial architecture. Gallente things have more feminine curves than the jagged Caldari things. perhaps under the jagged points are shield generators and computers though. the designs are fine. they are just part of the lore. Pretty much. It all boils down to lore.
The Amarr and Gallente armor is just so much more advanced that the angled design of the Caldari armor, while more efficient, just cannot compete.
Its like Kevlar vs Bronze. No matter how efficiently designed the bronze plates are, the Kevlar is just better. No amount of angling or honeycombing will allow it to stop a bullet better than the Kevlar will without simply using much more bronze.
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TTYL DUD
Annunakei
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:52:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:General12912 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:TTYL DUD wrote:Oh and the whole "hardening on impact" is not an excuse, because maybe the Calderon have that same armor in addition to the anglinh They don't. The Caldari use simple Tritanium-Alloy plates over a thin kevlar like battle suit with a vast array of shield generators and shield computers. Their armor is resource and cost efficient, and isn't designed to take much damage. A Caldari suit has highly cost and resource efficient angled plates that are easy to mass produce. But they don't need any more than that, they have some of the best shields in the cluster. So while their armor might be able to take a hit or three in some areas of the body, the thick self-hardening active armor on Gallente and Amarr suits are designed to take many hits even without their damage calculation computers offline. The computers in armor (and shields) use sensor data to determine the angle, velocity, shape, structure, material, and density of incoming rounds, they use this data to harden the armor microseconds before impact, only in the areas that need to be hardened. The armors of Gallente and Amarr aren't efficiently designed, they are made for performance. define 'efficient' id say our armor IS efficient it what its meant to do: deflect damage. Amarr a bit more than Gallente. but Gallente armor can repair better than Amarr armor after taking damage. as fore the designs, i thought the same thing as the topic poster. then i realised that its just racial architecture. Gallente things have more feminine curves than the jagged Caldari things. perhaps under the jagged points are shield generators and computers though. the designs are fine. they are just part of the lore. Pretty much. It all boils down to lore. The Amarr and Gallente armor is just so much more advanced that the angled design of the Caldari armor, while more efficient, just cannot compete. Its like Kevlar vs Bronze. No matter how efficiently designed the bronze plates are, the Kevlar is just better. No amount of angling or honeycombing will allow it to stop a bullet better than the Kevlar will without simply using much more bronze.
Haha I love the attention this is getting, but I have a question: What about the aromor plates that you can fit on the caldari suits? |
X7 lion
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Posted - 2014.04.14 07:10:00 -
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*looks at title, ignores topic* i hate the caldri too but really it would only be fair to kill them all along with the amarr as well.
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2014.04.14 07:52:00 -
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I suggest you read the in-game descriptions of the suits - they'll pretty much tell you why the suits are the way they are in terms of both aesthetics and shield/armor capabilities.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.04.14 10:32:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:General12912 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:TTYL DUD wrote:Oh and the whole "hardening on impact" is not an excuse, because maybe the Calderon have that same armor in addition to the anglinh They don't. The Caldari use simple Tritanium-Alloy plates over a thin kevlar like battle suit with a vast array of shield generators and shield computers. Their armor is resource and cost efficient, and isn't designed to take much damage. A Caldari suit has highly cost and resource efficient angled plates that are easy to mass produce. But they don't need any more than that, they have some of the best shields in the cluster. So while their armor might be able to take a hit or three in some areas of the body, the thick self-hardening active armor on Gallente and Amarr suits are designed to take many hits even without their damage calculation computers offline. The computers in armor (and shields) use sensor data to determine the angle, velocity, shape, structure, material, and density of incoming rounds, they use this data to harden the armor microseconds before impact, only in the areas that need to be hardened. The armors of Gallente and Amarr aren't efficiently designed, they are made for performance. define 'efficient' id say our armor IS efficient it what its meant to do: deflect damage. Amarr a bit more than Gallente. but Gallente armor can repair better than Amarr armor after taking damage. as fore the designs, i thought the same thing as the topic poster. then i realised that its just racial architecture. Gallente things have more feminine curves than the jagged Caldari things. perhaps under the jagged points are shield generators and computers though. the designs are fine. they are just part of the lore. Pretty much. It all boils down to lore. The Amarr and Gallente armor is just so much more advanced that the angled design of the Caldari armor, while more efficient, just cannot compete. Its like Kevlar vs Bronze. No matter how efficiently designed the bronze plates are, the Kevlar is just better. No amount of angling or honeycombing will allow it to stop a bullet better than the Kevlar will without simply using much more bronze.
yes, i realised this during my first few months of getting to understand New Eden's lore and history.
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TTYL DUD
Annunakei
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:48:00 -
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X7 lion wrote:*looks at title, ignores topic* i hate the caldri too but really it would only be fair to kill them all along with the amarr as well.
What? |
TTYL DUD
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:49:00 -
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I KNOW that this is part of the lore (I said this in the original post)!
BUT isnt odd that the shield focused race has very effectively angled armor unlike the gallente and amarr? |
Hecarim Van Hohen
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:57:00 -
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TTYL DUD wrote:I KNOW that this is part of the lore (I said this in the original post)!
BUT isnt odd that the shield focused race has very effectively angled armor unlike the gallente and amarr? I really don't see it as odd, wouldn't it make sense to maximize the defenses? Sloped armor, cheap and effective and that spells Caldari to me
X7 lion wrote:*looks at title, ignores topic* i hate the caldri too but really it would only be fair to kill them all along with the amarr as well.
Hold it with the unnecessary animosity and take your ignorance somewhere else, preferably far away from me.
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Marcus Stormfire
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:26:00 -
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Two words. Space Metal.
With that said just because it is angular doesn't mean it is effective. If you have a sheet of aluminum at the proper angle that doesn't mean it will deflect a .50 cal round. perhaps the caldari angle their armor plates that way because the materials are inferior to the Gallente due to all of their research being done to strengthen their shield doctrine.
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