I sense my new knife assassin days are coming to a cloak nerf end. I had some awesome decloak knife encounters. My fav: I was behind a wall, heavy was unkillable with SG in two shots and already had taught me the hard way that match! As he came to the corner I charged knives and side stepped out as he sprinted into me. There was a .5 second of him running into me and us both seeing nothing but armor motion. I released the knives and he fell +50 . It was great!

The Nano Knife and Cloak should work together to allow assassination. With the current cloak I still have to decloak, change weapons, charge knifes and stand right beside them. These kills are well earned and cloak nerfs will make this even more gimped. Promoting more shotgun assassins...

The shotgun not the cloak is the thing we should look at. No change since.. forever? The militia version is so close to proto its not worth the skill points or isk to fit anything but militia shotgun. FIT - the spread for lvl1 should be huge, by level 5 it focuses in to be more deadly CQC.

The shotgun has 2 variants!! You did not know? Ya there is a 2 shot SG that does more damage. But there is no reason to use it. This has been like this forever. Only the 2 shot SG should be assassinating any good fits. The 8 shot SG should take a bit more and be less effective verse heavies - promoting knife/cloak assassins.

A good heavy would not have died to one charged strike. He musta been literaly down to 1/2 to 2/3rds hp.

Sorry, but you don't know what your talking about and should go do the math. Many heavy fits fall under the knife charge damage :)

Nano Knife?

the reason your messing up the math is becuase charging actually does 2.5x damage not 2x

:P so about 1438 damage full skills in a minmatar scout no dmg mods

http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/356630

scroll down to the item labeled overheatintensity and read the number there.

then explain how exactly i do 1400dmg with a knife charge :P

the math works out at 2.5 but doesnt at 2.0

when in doubt testing shall provide the answer, the damage i do matches a 2.5x damage modifyer and doesnt match a 2.0 damage modifyer :P

therefore charging does 2.5x damage

knives used ZN-28, no prof, basic non scout suit.

Commando A/1

210/591 total hp 801

charged swipe #1
hp remaining 53hp
charged swipe #2
hp remaining 47hp
charged swipe #3
hp remaining 49hp

uncharged swipe #1
hp remaining 442hp
uncharged swipe #2
hp remaining 447hp
uncharged swipe #3
hp remaining 439hp

Charge multiplier is x2

What is happening is that there is a 1.25 multi in being applied to each swipe.

Your testing method was not thorough therefore your conclusion flawed, but I do stand corrected.

It took all that for you to admit your wrong.. wow... but thanks for at least admitting it.

I sense my new knife assassin days are coming to a cloak nerf end. I had some awesome decloak knife encounters. My fav: I was behind a wall, heavy was unkillable with SG in two shots and already had taught me the hard way that match! As he came to the corner I charged knives and side stepped out as he sprinted into me. There was a .5 second of him running into me and us both seeing nothing but armor motion. I released the knives and he fell +50 . It was great!

The Nano Knife and Cloak should work together to allow assassination. With the current cloak I still have to decloak, change weapons, charge knifes and stand right beside them. These kills are well earned and cloak nerfs will make this even more gimped. Promoting more shotgun assassins...

The shotgun not the cloak is the thing we should look at. No change since.. forever? The militia version is so close to proto its not worth the skill points or isk to fit anything but militia shotgun. FIT - the spread for lvl1 should be huge, by level 5 it focuses in to be more deadly CQC.

The shotgun has 2 variants!! You did not know? Ya there is a 2 shot SG that does more damage. But there is no reason to use it. This has been like this forever. Only the 2 shot SG should be assassinating any good fits. The 8 shot SG should take a bit more and be less effective verse heavies - promoting knife/cloak assassins.