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The-Beard
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:08:00 -
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Jade Tech wrote:
Currently, DNS is overthrowing CCP themselves, since there is nothing CCP can do to stop our revolution of the entire enslavement of the Molden Heath population.
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Ok, so here we have a classic sign of "stuck on stupid". DNS isn't overthrowing CCP, how can it? As for CCP doing nothing, why would they?
Ok, so you say "DNS broke PC". PC still works as intended. PC is corp lvl PvP that still functions because every corp still has the option to buy a clone pack and attack a district. The fact that the attacking corp will most likely lose because they face a better opponent does not break anything. The fact that most of MH districts are held by one alliance does not mean that PC is broken because other alliances still have the option to attack those districts via clone packs.
You fail to grasp that what DNS has done, is nothing game breaking, only something that was a possibility of the game which was intended to happen. You don't think they weren't expecting an entire alliance to take all of MH? CCP has been waiting to see how long it would take and if it could be done. Oh, and this meta game side of it.. they are loving it right now. It's part of the intended game to have this kinda of strife, but we the community are failing CCP by not really doing anything noteworthy. It is up to the community to do something, not CCP.
Your enslavement talk is pure meta game since you can only say that about fictional unseen people that live on DNS districts. If you're talking about the player base then you're idiot. You don't rent your districts, you haven't conquered public or FW matches and forced tribute from the community, and don't force the community to do your bidding. The last two things I would really love to see DNS do. Remember, you don't pay slaves, so you can't pay people to do stuff to do stuff and claim enslavement. Also, saying you're going to pay them and then turn around and not pay them is called scamming, not enslavement.
Congrats jade, you just made your entire alliance look stupid. |
The-Beard
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Posted - 2014.04.13 05:23:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:I am glad some finally see the light... the game is fundamentally flawed on the basis that there is NO economy of scale to it. People will always whine and moan about other who spent their time getting their sp, getting food, and saving/making isk. I saved up to my first 100 million isk... How about you?
For all of those who continue to talk on the forum and do not act, I got your food stamps in my pocket. Reach in there and grab em...
PC is meaningless, isk is meaningless, what you think you have achieved... whatever. Tell your boss you added a new skill to your resume, "I almost took a DNS district with a clone pack.... I mean... We had em by MCC but they cloned us..."
Excerpt from "a diary of a mad video gamer" |
The-Beard
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Posted - 2014.04.14 06:56:00 -
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Jade Tech wrote: I'm not necessarily saying that DNS broke the game. I'm saying that DNS has made it so that anybody that isn't in the alliance will never have a chance to participate in PC. I still love playing pubs and FW (Which is where corporation battle will now take place from now on) and they do indeed pose as the most popular part of Dust 514 (sadly). PC was a thing.
That's just it, anybody that cares to can still participate in PC. FW has always been the place that corp battles took place since CCP added it (it was a safe place where no one could steal your district should they won and decide to do so). Sure PFC was one where you could kinda do a corp battle, but it wasn't intended for that. So, we go to guys that set up thunder dome, that was the closest thing we could get for true corp battles. It was later proposed that there would be a thunder dome planet which sadly and thankfuly never came to be.
To say that anyone not in your alliance will never have a chance to participate in PC is not only erroneous, but ridiculous. Explain how DNS has denied participation in PC. You can't, because people can still attack DNS districts, they still have a chance to win those districts, and they still have a chance to hold said districts. Just because DNS is hard alliance to beat does not mean that they have denied anyone participation in PC. All DNS has done is make it more difficult to gain and hold districts. Comment on this one, I'd like to know if your logic holds weight, is flawed or if you just speak from arrogance.
Jade Tech wrote:I am being metaphorical when I say "DNS is overthrowing CCP." In Layman's terms, I'm trying to explain that CCP cannot do anything to kick us off Molden Heath or give anyone that isn't DNS a chance to be in Planetary Conquest, nor would they try unless it affected the player base count, which it will when I see multiple 10-20 man corporations saying that they want to own a district on Molden Heath one day (Trust me. I run into these types of people everyday). In truth, I believe Kain is trying to prove something to CCP about the gaming community of Dust so they are going to be forced to do something about it, but that's another topic. Again, why would CCP do anything? Then you redundantly again go into a spiel about anybody not in DNS having a chance in PC. So, lets stick with the question I asked. Kain might be trying to prove something or maybe he trying to be like Goon Swarm and get some notoriety. Either way, that is only something kain can answer, but you have to wonder if he will answer in honest or meta. |
The-Beard
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Posted - 2014.04.15 07:27:00 -
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Jade Tech wrote:I'm not trying to be arrogant. I feel for every corporation, big or small, as a whole, and I try to speak from a third person perspective. I tried to say that I did understand what you meant when you said PC is still viable as a community activity, no matter what corporation or alliance you were in. But my logic still holds up unless some out of nowhere corp that has been practicing in local pubs where no one can see them and has mastered the art of Dust kwon do, the power and massive number of people that DNS holds will indeed succeed over any kind of competition. However, that fact only holds up while Dust Nap Squad is still intact and functioning correctly. (Which goes back to what I said in the first place. They will crumble.) Do you know how difficult it is to take a district with a clone pack, too? It would take close to 100 mil per battle, have a risk factor of 50-80% of losing all your clones (Depending on the map and player strength), and not only would you have to field a team of 16 really good guys, but you'd have to do it three days in a row at the same exact time. To me, that looks like more of a chore than a game, and if the entertainment part of "electronic entertainment" is taken out, then I see no reason for it to be worth the trouble. PC was and always will be more work than it's worth, and now DNS has made it even harder for corps to participate in ACTUAL BATTLE with each other (Clone count ~300 per, no glitchy maps, 1-3 battles all at once). Sure, there are a few districts still untaken by DNS, but those corporations are cowering in fear and spamming their locks on the district to survive. That is no way to play Planetary Conquest. It's sad. Spamming clone packs, not losing more than 120 clones, winning each and every battle, and getting up to doing it over the course of three days to score a district that will only hold up for a day before DNS attacks it again. If that doesn't sound like a pain, then I don't know what does. So I'm not being arrogant, nor ignorant, impartial, or an ***. I'm being a realist. (So yeah, you can call me an *** ) Ok, so it's flawed logic with some arrogance mixed in. Clone packs, glitchy maps and locks have been repeatedly complained about to CCP since PC first came about. To say that DNS is showing CCP that this is a problem is beyond dumb. To say that no one will take and hold districts from DNS because of these known issues is arrogant. I was in all the PC wars and I gotta tell man, your logic is faulty. We had the same issues back then like we do now, the only differance in this war is TP isn't ducking behind a lock this time around and most of the best players are in one alliance.
Oh, but, but wait.. the 120 clone packs makes it so hard to take a district and it's so glitchy in PC matches. Ya, well, like said above, CCP already knows about it since people have been bitching about at the start of PC. To claim that your alliance is the proof that is needed for CCP... smh. Wow, just wow at how dumb you really are. Did you ever think that maybe taking a district is supposed take time? I get your response that it is kinda chore like, but lets be honest, PC would be nothing more then a high paying pub match if you could flip a district in a day. There would be no value to holding a district for resources at that point. You ever play eve? ever fight in any of those wars? You don't take sov (which in a way is like our PC districts) in a day from your enemy.
Sounds like you want to play planetside2 not dust.
That's the second time you made your alliance look stupid and with that, I'm done with you. Reply, don't reply.. You're not a realist, you're an idealist that wants dust to turn into planetside 2.
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The-Beard
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Posted - 2014.04.15 07:29:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:The-Beard wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:I am glad some finally see the light... the game is fundamentally flawed on the basis that there is NO economy of scale to it. People will always whine and moan about other who spent their time getting their sp, getting food, and saving/making isk. I saved up to my first 100 million isk... How about you?
For all of those who continue to talk on the forum and do not act, I got your food stamps in my pocket. Reach in there and grab em...
PC is meaningless, isk is meaningless, what you think you have achieved... whatever. Tell your boss you added a new skill to your resume, "I almost took a DNS district with a clone pack.... I mean... We had em by MCC but they cloned us..." Excerpt from "a diary of a mad video gamer" Fixed. I am not mad, but no one on these forums listen to even their own advice and what they type. They have the memory of a kid with ADHD who is mainlining pixie stix. They complain PC is closed... but it was closed before DNS because of district locking... they claim they want their own PC property... but only few of them attack, and even fewer of the forum warriors show up to be dropsuit warriors. I just try to inject a realist, logical point of view into an otherwise lost community.
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