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Retarn Dominus
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:07:00 -
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Just wondering how to work out shotgun damage as its clearly not 40/42 as stated.
Is this just the amount it dishes out at long range?
If so then how do you work out medium and close range damage. I'm thinking is gives out around 250 at close range without any modules and skills.
Anyway if anyone could shed some light on the matter then that would be great. 
What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1105
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:15:00 -
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Each pellet does that damage from what I have read. I am not sure if higher level Shotguns have more pellets.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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lrian Locust
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:19:00 -
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1 know one thing: if I'm close, they die. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1998
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:25:00 -
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i did some testing and the damage listed is the damage per pellet, and I'm pretty sure that it shoots 12 pellets per burst. as for the range, it's really hit and miss. sometimes you'll get almost no damage point blank, and other times, you'll one shot people from up to 10 meters away!
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Retarn Dominus
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
Lokun Listamenn
49
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:29:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i did some testing and the damage listed is the damage per pellet, and I'm pretty sure that it shoots 12 pellets per burst. as for the range, it's really hit and miss. sometimes you'll get almost no damage point blank, and other times, you'll one shot people from up to 10 meters away!
Mmmm that sounds about right. THANKS! 
What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
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Rifter7
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
377
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:31:00 -
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i believe it's 12, but i vaguely remember it being nerfed some time in the past, back in chrome when the shotgun twins still played iirc... so it's 10-12.
so just times it by either number for a general idea.
as for the shots not hitting.. i believe that's hit detection. it feels like its really off this build for the single shot weapons like the scr and sg. |
The Terminator T-1000
Skynet Incorporated
383
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:17:00 -
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How can a single pellet do more damage than a rifle bullet? |
Zetsumi Ravencroft
Ultramarine Corp
31
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:19:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:How can a single pellet do more damage than a rifle bullet?
Impact force, pellet composition, pellet speed... just a few ideas off the top of my head.
M.A.G - Former RAVEN
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Denn Maell
PIanet Express
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
267
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:20:00 -
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Accoring to profits, each shotgun fires 12 shots per round.
so that's 12 x 42 = 504 points of damage per trigger squeeze.
The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field:
One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5079
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:21:00 -
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Shotgun damage is listed per pellet.
Multiple players have tested in several builds and it always comes down to "pretty sure there are 12".
So... yeah, that. |
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
564
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:22:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:How can a single pellet do more damage than a rifle bullet?
Plasma Powered magic pellet.
Only at less than 10m range.
Hope that Answers your question.
The Ghost of Bravo
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
254
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:25:00 -
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Retarn Dominus wrote:Just wondering how to work out shotgun damage as its clearly not 40/42 as stated. Is this just the amount it dishes out at long range? If so then how do you work out medium and close range damage. I'm thinking is gives out around 250 at close range without any modules and skills. Anyway if anyone could shed some light on the matter then that would be great.
Shotguns have 12 pellets each doing a damage of 40-44 damage depending on what shotgun it is (std./adv./proto.) and prof. of course. So you can do about 400-550 damage per shot if all pellets hit, which in a majority of cases they don't the farther they are away from the target, unless it's point-blank range.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
254
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:29:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:How can a single pellet do more damage than a rifle bullet?
1. It's a shotgun
2. Range is ****
3. Hit detection is ****
4. ROF is pretty slow
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
937
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:51:00 -
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Retarn Dominus wrote:Just wondering how to work out shotgun damage as its clearly not 40/42 as stated. Is this just the amount it dishes out at long range? If so then how do you work out medium and close range damage. I'm thinking is gives out around 250 at close range without any modules and skills. Anyway if anyone could shed some light on the matter then that would be great.
Overpowered enough to 1 shot oroto suits with a std shotty no headshots, so ******* overpowered
Closed beta vet
Tears, sweet delicious tears
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1373
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:56:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Retarn Dominus wrote:Just wondering how to work out shotgun damage as its clearly not 40/42 as stated. Is this just the amount it dishes out at long range? If so then how do you work out medium and close range damage. I'm thinking is gives out around 250 at close range without any modules and skills. Anyway if anyone could shed some light on the matter then that would be great. Overpowered enough to 1 shot oroto suits with a std shotty no headshots, so ******* overpowered
what kind of shi t fit protosuit are you running that can be one shoted be a shotgun?
If you have more than 500 hp you can survive
Anyone who says the shotgun is OP is not to be taken seriously. |
Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
775
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:57:00 -
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According to stuff514 it's (40 or 42) x 12 pellets.
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Return dumbfire to Swarms
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
937
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:57:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Retarn Dominus wrote:Just wondering how to work out shotgun damage as its clearly not 40/42 as stated. Is this just the amount it dishes out at long range? If so then how do you work out medium and close range damage. I'm thinking is gives out around 250 at close range without any modules and skills. Anyway if anyone could shed some light on the matter then that would be great. Overpowered enough to 1 shot oroto suits with a std shotty no headshots, so ******* overpowered what kind of shi t fit protosuit are you running that can be one shoted be a shotgun? If you have more than 500 hp you can survive Anyone who says the shotgun is OP is not to be taken seriously.
374 shields, I use it, its overpowered as hell, I run it along with a proto magsec
Closed beta vet
Tears, sweet delicious tears
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1373
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:01:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Dexter307 wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Retarn Dominus wrote:Just wondering how to work out shotgun damage as its clearly not 40/42 as stated. Is this just the amount it dishes out at long range? If so then how do you work out medium and close range damage. I'm thinking is gives out around 250 at close range without any modules and skills. Anyway if anyone could shed some light on the matter then that would be great. Overpowered enough to 1 shot oroto suits with a std shotty no headshots, so ******* overpowered what kind of shi t fit protosuit are you running that can be one shoted be a shotgun? If you have more than 500 hp you can survive Anyone who says the shotgun is OP is not to be taken seriously. 374 shields, I use it, its overpowered as hell, I run it along with a proto magsec
Low hp and shield hp
It SHOULD ohk you.
Its a shotgun, if you get within 5m you should have a advantage
If anything it should get buffed as for the most part its useless on anything but a scout |
PARKOUR PRACTIONER
R 0 N 1 N
1115
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:01:00 -
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Made a post about it, have to find it.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1698073#post1698073
There it is.
Amateur Proficiency XCV
Autistic Mechanic and Engineer, I build stuff, take apart stuff, modify stuff, destroy stuff
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poison Diego
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
386
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:04:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Retarn Dominus wrote:Just wondering how to work out shotgun damage as its clearly not 40/42 as stated. Is this just the amount it dishes out at long range? If so then how do you work out medium and close range damage. I'm thinking is gives out around 250 at close range without any modules and skills. Anyway if anyone could shed some light on the matter then that would be great. Overpowered enough to 1 shot oroto suits with a std shotty no headshots, so ******* overpowered
wuuut, if its a scout then yea that pretty much a given but who has less than 500 armour on a proto medium frame suit??? and when Im fighting medium suits I almost never hit but 40-70% of the pellets unless u let me come REALLY close.
0.7x480=336 u must have a really sh*tty proto suit bro...
Why not just put cloaks on ADSs, Forgeguns on scouts and make heavies only be able to use sidearms?
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DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
608
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:44:00 -
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At 42x12=504 this is all shield damage and straight damage without proficiency.
With proficiency it's 579.6. But isn't a creo and duvolle 44? I can't get on dust to check but I think proto shotty is 44, k5 and crg is 42 and std is 40 unless I'm mistaken.?
If that's the case then 44x12=528 damage to shields or armor
Pro five @ 44x12= 607.2
That's shield damage so for example if to had 350 shields 200 armor you would lose all shields and the rest of the damage would come from the 528 if I understand correctly. But it still kinda makes no sence how it gets divided. Because the rest of the shield damage would become void and fall to regular damage and I'm not sure if it gets subtracted from 528 or if you basically multiply each pellet that equals the proficiency to the 350 then multiply the rest at standard damage but that sounds more reasonable so let's do that.
If you divide 607 by 12 your pellet damage is 50.5 assuming 44 is proto damage.
So that means 7 pellets knock out 350 shields with pro 5 an a pro gun.
Then the other 5 pellets get multiplied at listed damage, say 44.
44x5= 220 armor damage so a 350 shields and 200 armor suit gets ohk.
My sg numbers could be off but I'm pretty sure this is how damage is calculated regardless.
My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
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Denchlad 7
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
128
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:04:00 -
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Despite all the numbers shown here (which appear to be correct), for me only one word fits Shotgun damage with that bloody hit detection.
Inconsistant.
Was attempting to proto every weapon a bad idea? Yes. 10 so far
If you can't accept change, you will fail in this world
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DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
608
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:24:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:Despite all the numbers shown here (which appear to be correct), for me only one word fits Shotgun damage with that bloody hit detection.
Inconsistant.
Yup, yesterday I shot a min scout in the back 3 times only to see blue shields and get combat rifled to death, he sucked, my guns wouldn't switch and I died a very humiliating death
My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
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General John Ripper
19668
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:27:00 -
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Just played my first game in a long time. used shot gun.
went 8/3 and got 1600 points. It seems like I forgot how to play...
ohh and it was a dren shotgun if that makes a difference. I don't have any skill points into it.
My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 cpm petition
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1974
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:34:00 -
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dat' 4m optimal...........
click me
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
867
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:47:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Retarn Dominus wrote:Just wondering how to work out shotgun damage as its clearly not 40/42 as stated. Is this just the amount it dishes out at long range? If so then how do you work out medium and close range damage. I'm thinking is gives out around 250 at close range without any modules and skills. Anyway if anyone could shed some light on the matter then that would be great. Overpowered enough to 1 shot oroto suits with a std shotty no headshots, so ******* overpowered what kind of shi t fit protosuit are you running that can be one shoted be a shotgun? If you have more than 500 hp you can survive Anyone who says the shotgun is OP is not to be taken seriously.
This is what is so funny, if you cannot survive 1 shot from the shotgun you are a scout and not tanked at all. Very rarely will you hit with all pellets unless you are directly on top of your opponent or the enemy is an idiot just standing still.
Plus the shotgun has abysmal hit detection and rof. You CANNOT miss or you're done. The thing requires so much precision against a moving opponent as it's very easy to strafe a few pellets.
Anyone complaining about the shotgun one shotting must really fear the cloaked PlC scout. That thing can one shot anything but a heavily tanked logi or a heavy.
Really how much damage do people want the shotgun to do? Rifles lay more damage down range in the same amount of time but with 15x the range.
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Beeeees
Militaires Sans Jeux
528
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:59:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:as for the most part its useless on anything but a scout
My Min Heavy Shotgun fit would like a word with you.
TOLD514
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
285
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Posted - 2014.04.11 00:07:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Each pellet does that damage from what I have read. I am not sure if higher level Shotguns have more pellets.
higher level just has more damage per pellet.
40/42/44 in that order for normal varients.
i dont know the vlaues for the breach but it hurts alot. i tink the allotek breach shotgun is something like 56.5 a pellet.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
415
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Posted - 2014.04.11 00:15:00 -
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Rifter7 wrote:i believe it's 12, but i vaguely remember it being nerfed some time in the past, back in chrome when the shotgun twins still played iirc... so it's 10-12.
so just times it by either number for a general idea.
as for the shots not hitting.. i believe that's hit detection. it feels like its really off this build for the single shot weapons like the scr and sg.
There's still something massively wrong with shotgun hit detection. I've had several instances where I've been behind heavies and fired and did zero damage. Other times I've 2 hit them. On a rare occasion I'll even kill someone through a wall or box. It's fun, but also extremely frustrating to use at times.
Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
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RECON BY FIRE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
371
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Posted - 2014.04.11 00:17:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Shotgun damage is listed per pellet.
Multiple players have tested in several builds and it always comes down to "pretty sure there are 12".
So... yeah, that.
QFT
Stuff....?
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