DUST Search - Buff the Scrambler rifle - Nerf the combat rifle and HMG

axINVICTUSxa wrote:

LEHON Xeon wrote:

Being a very frequent CR user, I'm kind of biased against a CR nerf, but I can understand why we all need one so I'd "begrudgingly" support it lol.

As for HMG, I literally HATE that gun in its current form. That instant "stop" effect from it is a crutch for heavy users. I don't care what anyone says, IT IS. If I could completely immobilize a target with my AR, CR, or other weapon for a couple seconds, I could easily kill them almost instantly as well. No other gun in Dust, except maybe the laser, can do that (and nowhere near the capacity the HMG does). I was able to tolerate HMGs even before 1.8 I just learned to work around them and actually enjoyed the guys who were good at defending objectives with them (and still do); they made matches challenging and required more strategy.

However, now with the constant heavy spam BS, it is almost impossible to avoid them completely, particularly in Dom matches. It is starting to get to the point where I've gone up against teams using 80-90% heavy suits, all with an HMG. They're fricken FOTM scrubs. You have to use the currently most OP and in my opinion due to the "stoppage" broken gun, with a suit with built in resistances and a huge HP reserve just to get kills? You can bring in the sneakiest scout you want, or tankiest logi suit, or even another heavy, if there's 6-8 guys all in heavy suits with HMGs and a repper logi camping a single objective; there's NO way anyone is ever going to be able to get in there without an OB or a tank (and not always even then if it's in a building like the Gallente facility)

Actually, I'm all for these heavies. As a scout sniper pre-1.8, this stuff is fun for me.

Trust. Who needs armor modules and all that jazz, when you can snipe heavies from mountains for fun?

Its incredibly funny mind you when the entire enemy team is using slow ass heavies. Especially when they try to run up a slope you're sniping from..the truth is to kill me they have to keep running--but they can't kill me WHILE running. During that time, being such a big fat target, they've already accrued 800+ damage from my ML/STD Sniper rifle if not dead.

While a group of them charging up your slope is challenging (depending on their weapon), it isn't impossible.

I welcome the challenge more heavies bring. I think people finally realized running heavy suits is cheaper than proto-ass dropsuits that have less eHP than Sentinels and Commandoes.

And besides, its nice to have a few capable Cal and Galmandos around.


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LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 416	Posted - 2014.04.11 00:52:00 - [1] - Quote KingBabar wrote: As I have both as Close to maxed out it makes no difference, this is my opinion. The CR, burst edititon, is still insanely powerful, yes I know its supposed to shred People but come on! A 5-10% reduction to damage would put it more in the line with the other rifles. The Scrambler, single shot edition, has become another unicorn. I almost never see it anymore. I've tried it out, even With two complex damage mods and its a pathetic shadow of its fomer glory. Yes it will shred Shields but then it stops. The combined effect of the general damage reduction and the change to the profficiency skill has made this gun close to pointless. Try going up against a RR user who is armor tanked and the odds are greatly stacked against you. As far as I can remember I have only seen it in use twice since the launch of 1.8. I have huge problems killing any kind of somewhat properly tanked armor suit before overheating. Sidearms is often not an issue due to range. I suggest it gets back the 8.8% pr so base damage that got reduced With 1.8, the Assault scrambler is just fine the way it is. The HMG is in my opinion the most unbalanced gun in the game. The main problem here is the pushback effect of the bullets. When I get hit my character stops moving or is slowed Down to a crawl and I just have to take it. In practise it might aswell have been an auto shotgun With 3-4 times the range. It is just so blasted annoying to run by someone, if I get shot by any other gun I take damage but can still move out of the way, if it happens to be a HMG shooting me, my dude stops and just take it until he dies, a very short time after. I don't have any beef With the damage of the gun nor do I With the amount of HP etc. But that pushback effect combined With a relatively long range and very high damage is just too much. Or am I off here? Is th gun supposed to be that way? With a build in webifier or whatever its called? Tweaking these Three weapons would go a long way in terms of Balance and IMO it will increase the enjoyment for a lot of players. Being a very frequent CR user, I'm kind of biased against a CR nerf, but I can understand why we all need one so I'd "begrudgingly" support it lol. As for HMG, I literally HATE that gun in its current form. That instant "stop" effect from it is a crutch for heavy users. I don't care what anyone says, IT IS. If I could completely immobilize a target with my AR, CR, or other weapon for a couple seconds, I could easily kill them almost instantly as well. No other gun in Dust, except maybe the laser, can do that (and nowhere near the capacity the HMG does). I was able to tolerate HMGs even before 1.8 I just learned to work around them and actually enjoyed the guys who were good at defending objectives with them (and still do); they made matches challenging and required more strategy. However, now with the constant heavy spam BS, it is almost impossible to avoid them completely, particularly in Dom matches. It is starting to get to the point where I've gone up against teams using 80-90% heavy suits, all with an HMG. They're fricken FOTM scrubs. You have to use the currently most OP and in my opinion due to the "stoppage" broken gun, with a suit with built in resistances and a huge HP reserve just to get kills? You can bring in the sneakiest scout you want, or tankiest logi suit, or even another heavy, if there's 6-8 guys all in heavy suits with HMGs and a repper logi camping a single objective; there's NO way anyone is ever going to be able to get in there without an OB or a tank (and not always even then if it's in a building like the Gallente facility) Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 416	Posted - 2014.04.11 01:20:00 - [2] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Being a very frequent CR user, I'm kind of biased against a CR nerf, but I can understand why we all need one so I'd "begrudgingly" support it lol. As for HMG, I literally HATE that gun in its current form. That instant "stop" effect from it is a crutch for heavy users. I don't care what anyone says, IT IS. If I could completely immobilize a target with my AR, CR, or other weapon for a couple seconds, I could easily kill them almost instantly as well. No other gun in Dust, except maybe the laser, can do that (and nowhere near the capacity the HMG does). I was able to tolerate HMGs even before 1.8 I just learned to work around them and actually enjoyed the guys who were good at defending objectives with them (and still do); they made matches challenging and required more strategy. However, now with the constant heavy spam BS, it is almost impossible to avoid them completely, particularly in Dom matches. It is starting to get to the point where I've gone up against teams using 80-90% heavy suits, all with an HMG. They're fricken FOTM scrubs. You have to use the currently most OP and in my opinion due to the "stoppage" broken gun, with a suit with built in resistances and a huge HP reserve just to get kills? You can bring in the sneakiest scout you want, or tankiest logi suit, or even another heavy, if there's 6-8 guys all in heavy suits with HMGs and a repper logi camping a single objective; there's NO way anyone is ever going to be able to get in there without an OB or a tank (and not always even then if it's in a building like the Gallente facility) Actually, I'm all for these heavies. As a scout sniper pre-1.8, this stuff is fun for me. Trust. Who needs armor modules and all that jazz, when you can snipe heavies from mountains for fun? Its incredibly funny mind you when the entire enemy team is using slow ass heavies. Especially when they try to run up a slope you're sniping from..the truth is to kill me they have to keep running--but they can't kill me WHILE running. During that time, being such a big fat target, they've already accrued 800+ damage from my ML/STD Sniper rifle if not dead. While a group of them charging up your slope is challenging (depending on their weapon), it isn't impossible. I welcome the challenge more heavies bring. I think people finally realized running heavy suits is cheaper than proto-ass dropsuits that have less eHP than Sentinels and Commandoes. And besides, its nice to have a few capable Cal and Galmandos around. I don't mind commandos. I don't mind forge gun users. What gets me is all these scrubs with HMGs camping an objective, in all these sentinel suits. I guess what pisses me off is the magnitude of them in matches now. Before it used to be a couple guys that ran one and if you ran into one you were f'ed. Now you have 1/2 to 3/4 the other team using them. It's stupid. It's gotten to the point where you can't even go into buildings anymore without seeing at least two no matter where you are. Just like today my squad was doing a skirmish at the Gallente facility. One of our guys went out to hack an outside objective because we needed an extra letter as it was almost tied up and the MCCs were almost out of health. He went out in his usual logi suit even, and he couldn't even get in because they had 4 guys, every single one in a heavy suit, sitting on an outside objective. I guess being a sniper you don't really ever have to (or choose to) go and hack objectives or ever worry about them closing in on you with multiple HMGs as a rule, so while I understand what you think and why, I do not really find it applicable because you're not directly fighting them the majority of the time. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.