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Aika Nakata wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:

We came up with an idea while discussing this topic earlier.

the battles take place over various systems of various security status. so how about selecting which security space you want to fight in which determines what equipment can be used and how much reward you get?

1.0-0.5 MLT/STD gear. LAV only -10% isk payout

0.4-0.1 MLT/STD/ADV gear. 2 vehicles each side same payout as now

0.0 anything goes 4 vehicles per side. +20% isk payout

that way its lore firendly (DED controlled combat regulations prohibit use of experimental equipment in empire controlled space) and when we get new players in we can gradually build them up. those of us with high skills will still have an advantage over new players but limiting HAV spam and full stomps of higher tier suits would ease the pain up a bit. sure my covenant assault will have 20% more hp but a noob will at least kill me with thier militia/recruit rifle if they catch me off guard whereas in proto i can turn around. pick which testicle i want to take of and then shoot

There are several problems with this. The SP, experience, practice and knowledge of the maps, are much bigger differences than the gear. Vets wanting to pad their KD will still stomp new players in "highsec" matches with STD gear. The payout differential is minimal, and if you decrease it enough to disencentivise vets from playing these, you'll be crippling new players from building enough ISK to buy skills and try new things. If you "fracture" the limited playerbase into these gear-based tiers, and again by the 3 existing game modes, the matchmaker will have an even worse time getting balanced matches quickly. It would also decrease the liklihood that CCP could add additional modes in the future, because it would make the matchmaking problem exponentially worse with each new mode.

The better solution (as I stated earlier in the thread) is creating 1 new mode that is only available to players under some SP cap. New players can still join regular pub matches, FW, and even PC (not likely, but still technically possible), but they have a "kiddie pool" option to play against each other, learn the maps, develop tactics, earn enough SP to build a solid fit, etc.

To be fair mate, im brand new and generally wipe the floor with people in similar gear. Its the gear that seems to make the difference in my matches. Then again I come from playing the older classic rainbow six games. Like Athena sword, and rogue spear. So my gun game has to be up to snuff as well as positioning and situational awareness.

So it could just be experience on my end but most battles involving the same tier gear I come out on top. Win some and lose some but yeah. I think the idea has some merit. Just needs to be done correctly.

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Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 528	Posted - 2014.04.10 04:00:00 - [1] - Quote New player experience is terrible. I've just had a bunch of corp makes setup their new alts using my recruiter link and we;ve been running our new recruits for the past week or so and all agree there needs to be some re-working done. we've all tried our best to get friends in to the game but they all leave after constant frustration of re[eatedly dying game after game. yeah yeah many will say HTFU but that doesn't line CCPs pockets with gol.. Aurum. we came up with a few ideas. Rookie TDM game mode - infantry only ambush, smaller map sizes similar to chromo ambush. MLT/STD gear only. reasoning - the maps in ambush are currently too large and vehicles are far too overpowered. have this restricted to just STD gear so vets can go still go in with them to assist but still only using basic gear. like an advanced academy battle but with experienced players similar to how most businesses now have you shadow a co-worker when you first start. also by having maps smaller new players don't end up runnign around a huge map lost before they learn how to use scanners. Bring starter skillsets back. Sometime ago when you started you chose a pre-set 'role' which gave you certain skills already trained ot get you on your way... something like this needs to return. it requires far too many SP to get even basic items. build it into a new version of the tutorial. ensure new player have to play a match using an Assault type, Logi type and scout type. at the end of the turtoial they are asked to pick a starter role. when done so the skills are added as a reward. and yes i know this kinda defies wanting players to have all the freedome to make thier choices but it's far too much of a grind at the very start. you want new players to have a bit of a running start before the mind numbing grind starts. if not the above then... Double passive and active sp for 14 or 30 days for new players to help get them started. finally. much, much, much better match making in pub matches when they do move from the rookie pond. when your collective squad has 5million SP and you get plonked into a match with a full squad of each nyain and rainbow effect all running proto suits, weapons and vehicles there is something wrong. Rolling with the punches
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 530	Posted - 2014.04.10 22:27:00 - [2] - Quote We came up with an idea while discussing this topic earlier. the battles take place over various systems of various security status. so how about selecting which security space you want to fight in which determines what equipment can be used and how much reward you get? 1.0-0.5 MLT/STD gear. LAV only -10% isk payout 0.4-0.1 MLT/STD/ADV gear. 2 vehicles each side same payout as now 0.0 anything goes 4 vehicles per side. +20% isk payout that way its lore firendly (DED controlled combat regulations prohibit use of experimental equipment in empire controlled space) and when we get new players in we can gradually build them up. those of us with high skills will still have an advantage over new players but limiting HAV spam and full stomps of higher tier suits would ease the pain up a bit. sure my covenant assault will have 20% more hp but a noob will at least kill me with thier militia/recruit rifle if they catch me off guard whereas in proto i can turn around. pick which testicle i want to take of and then shoot Rolling with the punches
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 531	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:56:00 - [3] - Quote Aika Nakata wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: We came up with an idea while discussing this topic earlier. the battles take place over various systems of various security status. so how about selecting which security space you want to fight in which determines what equipment can be used and how much reward you get? 1.0-0.5 MLT/STD gear. LAV only -10% isk payout 0.4-0.1 MLT/STD/ADV gear. 2 vehicles each side same payout as now 0.0 anything goes 4 vehicles per side. +20% isk payout that way its lore firendly (DED controlled combat regulations prohibit use of experimental equipment in empire controlled space) and when we get new players in we can gradually build them up. those of us with high skills will still have an advantage over new players but limiting HAV spam and full stomps of higher tier suits would ease the pain up a bit. sure my covenant assault will have 20% more hp but a noob will at least kill me with thier militia/recruit rifle if they catch me off guard whereas in proto i can turn around. pick which testicle i want to take of and then shoot There are several problems with this. The SP, experience, practice and knowledge of the maps, are much bigger differences than the gear. Vets wanting to pad their KD will still stomp new players in "highsec" matches with STD gear. The payout differential is minimal, and if you decrease it enough to disencentivise vets from playing these, you'll be crippling new players from building enough ISK to buy skills and try new things. If you "fracture" the limited playerbase into these gear-based tiers, and again by the 3 existing game modes, the matchmaker will have an even worse time getting balanced matches quickly. It would also decrease the liklihood that CCP could add additional modes in the future, because it would make the matchmaking problem exponentially worse with each new mode. The better solution (as I stated earlier in the thread) is creating 1 new mode that is only available to players under some SP cap. New players can still join regular pub matches, FW, and even PC (not likely, but still technically possible), but they have a "kiddie pool" option to play against each other, learn the maps, develop tactics, earn enough SP to build a solid fit, etc. To be fair mate, im brand new and generally wipe the floor with people in similar gear. Its the gear that seems to make the difference in my matches. Then again I come from playing the older classic rainbow six games. Like Athena sword, and rogue spear. So my gun game has to be up to snuff as well as positioning and situational awareness. So it could just be experience on my end but most battles involving the same tier gear I come out on top. Win some and lose some but yeah. I think the idea has some merit. Just needs to be done correctly. to be fair yeah having it broken down into these types just helps even the equipment playign field. sure vets know the maps but as i said. its to have vets run with noobs out of the academy. i've been runnign with 5 recruits recently. they all have around 1-1.5m sp. when we're against people in similar suits to ourselves we can still hold our own. real world experience at FPS gaming accounts for far more than 45m sp. yeah my exile AR will do more damage than his, my suit will have a few more HP but if someone is better at flanking than i am then they can take me, whereas if am sat in my stacked out proto gallente logi he can flank me, shoot me, i turn around giggiling that his militia rifle tickles and then blast him in the face with my duvolle and wait for my complex repper to heal me back up in the time the next one comes along. i'm not saying vets will try and abuse it but at least in 0.5-1.0 it wont be constant proto and vehicle stomps. it will level the playign field some. look at game sliek BF4 and COD you can jump into them with guys who been playign months but all your guns are similar and you can stand a chance. proto doesnt make you a better player. actual experience does and having coupel of vets with a squad of noobs or even a squad of random noobs together they would stand more chance against a squad of nyains in STD gear than they would in STD vs nyains in proto gear Rolling with the punches