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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:34:00 -
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Stalken Pathfinder wrote:2-3 remote explosives = dead tank regardless of fit... Just because old AV tactics don't work doesn't mean there aren't new ones. Stop complaining and trying to force the game to do what you want it to. Adapt or just keep dieing, up to you in the end.
An RE deals out 1500 damage, are you telling me that there are no vehicle fits with more than 4500 HP? With hardeners? Tankers continually make arguments without checking basic facts. I've been told that a proximity mine can take out a tank, they deal 750 damage, I can deploy four, for 3000 damage. Would that take your tank out? I've been told by tankers that swarms will take them out, while it is virtually impossible to do so. How are you not just trying to keep the game to be the way you want to be, just like you accuse AV'ers of doing?
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:39:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Only vehicle users are claiming balance, everyone else still see that there is no balance between vehicles and infantry, not even close.
Blasters are still the best weapon in the game bar none, passive armor tanks are still immune to an AVer, tanks still require no teamwork while AV requires tons, tankers are still full of sh-t. But...the only tanks I can't solo as infantry AV are the ones designed to have a huge amount of HP and reps per second; sacrificing any ability to fight off other tanks. Any tank short of a double hardened PR triple dropped madrugar is an easy kill. I'd say that's working as intended. If someone builds a streamline dampened scout build or a pure HP heavy build or pure DPS sniper rifle build, how can you honestly say that it is imbalanced? I assure you that in my tank, which can take out 10 vehicles with ease, I am completely vulnerable to one AV guy with crap gear because missiles and rails rarely will land the first shot. You need to reassess your definition of balance because it seems you will not rest until you get 1.5-1.6 back. Do you also complain about invisible scouts when you don't run a cal scout or gal logi fit to find scouts? Do you also complain about heavies being too hard to fight cqc? Do scrambler rifles bother you because you run the plasma rifle? This game is very well balanced atm; so well balanced that the community cannot determine which suit is best. Yeah, scout ck0 + gk0, sentinal gk0, HAV, ADS, and Commando mk0 are front runners for FOTM, but it's still far more than any other build. Almost every weapon is powerful and working as intended, too. I seek balance for everyone.
Provide video of how easy it was to kill tanks and I will believe you. I have no doubt you can kill tanks with AV. I do it daily, but I have seen virtually no games where AV controlled tanks without their own vehicles contributing or having such a lopsided game that AV is free to do whatever it wants. That isn't balance. I hear many claims, many demonstrably false, from tankers who claim that AV/vehicle has been achieved but I have yet to see any statistical evidence or even verifiable ancedotal evidence to support these claims.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:15:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Stalken Pathfinder wrote:2-3 remote explosives = dead tank regardless of fit... Just because old AV tactics don't work doesn't mean there aren't new ones. Stop complaining and trying to force the game to do what you want it to. Adapt or just keep dieing, up to you in the end. An RE deals out 1500 damage, are you telling me that there are no vehicle fits with more than 4500 HP? With hardeners? Tankers continually make arguments without checking basic facts. I've been told that a proximity mine can take out a tank, they deal 750 damage, I can deploy four, for 3000 damage. Would that take your tank out? I've been told by tankers that swarms will take them out, while it is virtually impossible to do so. How are you not just trying to keep the game to be the way you want to be, just like you accuse AV'ers of doing? What's your point? An infantryman is easily able to solo everything except a highly tanked madrugar. 3 REs and 2 av grenades is more than enough to take out tanks that kill tanks. It is not the job of AV to kill the KDR chasing madrugars, it is their job to defend them against the madrigar hunting glass cannons. If AV was 100% effective vs all vehicles, then the madrugar with a blaster will be the only tank you see BC gunogi tank slayers will serve no purpose. Rock paper scissors has been achieved. Yes, AV needs a small buff, but balance is nearly at hand.
My point was that the statement made, like many statements I read on this topic, is factually wrong.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:22:00 -
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EverNub wrote:Stalken Pathfinder wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:
The DUELIST rail fit is back, gents. No redline. All risk. Intel ware are at its finest....
The two biggest noob tactics: redline rails and hardener stacking were nerfed. Once more, tank v tank requires skill....
+1 for these statements, I absolutely love tank v tank fights once again. Getting rid of redline rails was the best step yet. Not going to bother discussing AV/vehicle balance. It's pretty close to pretty good but no AVers will ever be happy unless they can solo kill tanks with ease circa 1.5-1.7 <---- I can 1v1 most tanks and dropships with Min Commando with proto Swarms and Prof 4! If i get caught in the open by a blaster im dead though for sure..but thats balance. If i hide and play cat n mouse i can usually come out victorious..but its enjoyable i do agree im having a blast! first time in months i can actually viably put a swarm launcher on a fit and not feel stupid about it...and make madd loot embarrassing tanks lol
I am sorry but I am skeptical about your ability to 1v1 a tank using swarms. Using proxies, RE'S, nades or a friendly forge, and swarms, yes, but only swarms? I haven't seen it.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:25:00 -
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EverNub wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Only vehicle users are claiming balance, everyone else still see that there is no balance between vehicles and infantry, not even close.
Blasters are still the best weapon in the game bar none, passive armor tanks are still immune to an AVer, tanks still require no teamwork while AV requires tons, tankers are still full of sh-t. But...the only tanks I can't solo as infantry AV are the ones designed to have a huge amount of HP and reps per second; sacrificing any ability to fight off other tanks. Any tank short of a double hardened PR triple dropped madrugar is an easy kill. I'd say that's working as intended. If someone builds a streamline dampened scout build or a pure HP heavy build or pure DPS sniper rifle build, how can you honestly say that it is imbalanced? I assure you that in my tank, which can take out 10 vehicles with ease, I am completely vulnerable to one AV guy with crap gear because missiles and rails rarely will land the first shot. You need to reassess your definition of balance because it seems you will not rest until you get 1.5-1.6 back. Do you also complain about invisible scouts when you don't run a cal scout or gal logi fit to find scouts? Do you also complain about heavies being too hard to fight cqc? Do scrambler rifles bother you because you run the plasma rifle? This game is very well balanced atm; so well balanced that the community cannot determine which suit is best. Yeah, scout ck0 + gk0, sentinal gk0, HAV, ADS, and Commando mk0 are front runners for FOTM, but it's still far more than any other build. Almost every weapon is powerful and working as intended, too. I seek balance for everyone. Provide video of how easy it was to kill tanks and I will believe you. I have no doubt you can kill tanks with AV. I do it daily, but I have seen virtually no games where AV controlled tanks without their own vehicles contributing or having such a lopsided game that AV is free to do whatever it wants. That isn't balance. I hear many claims, many demonstrably false, from tankers who claim that AV/vehicle has been achieved but I have yet to see any statistical evidence or even verifiable ancedotal evidence to support these claims. EverNub is my AV master... Come play a match with me and ill show u how much AV can change the matches now!
Ok, when do you play?
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:33:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Last night I made >768k from one battle netting >4,000 WP.
How? 10 vehicle kills and a few assists vs a squad of 3 ADS' and 3 HAVs.
I love love love it. Only lost a couple tanks doing so and one was a sica.
The DUELIST rail fit is back, gents. No redline. All risk. Intel ware are at its finest. Feels like running a scout ck.0 and a rail rifle.
CCP you made tanks awesome :)
The two biggest noob tactics: redline rails and hardener stacking were nerfed. Once more, tank v tank requires skill. Not to mention I'm angle to solo most HAVs with a scout c-1, cloak, adv av grenade, nerd SL, and f/45 combo.
The balance is back:
Infantry stomping madrugar best countered by ALPHA DMG rail or missile which can't tank infantry AV or hit them easily, who die to madrugars. Then drop ships counter everything but are also weak vs everything. Its so close to balance that I might explode.
Please don't spend 1.9 Nerding things. Work on content and buff assaults....and fix forge gun glitch. But that's it. Nothing needs a nerf, but just a couple buffs and fixes. I want my MN HAV. I want basic adv and pro tanks. I want new guns and a player market. None of this can happen if y'all keep Nerfing things instead of expanding the game. Hear, hear. I couldn't agree more. I have seen more weapons in the kill feed, less HAVs running rough shod over everyone and I think every suit on the battlefield. I am very happy with the game as it is and the suggestions you make are spot on.
The game is better than it was, I like iit. AV/V balance is better, limiting vehicles in Ambush is very good, but this does not mean that balance has been achieved or that posts are being made that are just factually and logically wrong. My opinion is that we aren't even close to true AV/V balance, this would entail that the average tankers kdr be in the 1.0 range just like infantry. I think most of us accept the imbalance and are arguing about what is acceptable.
Because, that's why.
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