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Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:32:00 -
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Numbers will always win the war. 
Tin foil hat time!
Secretly obtained corporation dossier
Many Bothans died to bring us this information.
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Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2668
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:48:00 -
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Let's review the points.
The Unholy Legion of DarkStar
=1,375 Members
-8.82 Billion ISK required to theoretically attack all districts at once.
-1300 people can run 10 games of normal ambush in an hour during a 100% tax day. Doing so earns 1.95 Billion isk per hour for the corporation.
-Matches can end even faster if several dedicated players suicide a match
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3572
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:50:00 -
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I GÖÑ instigators.
I GÖú Kittens.
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2802
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:55:00 -
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The next big war will most likely trigger after fanfest build when hords of vets come back tp try out this promised land. And kain quickly loses control of corp leaders who dont want to play nice.
Assuming fanfest build is awsome of course.
The donute could also collaspe due to paranoi that someone is going to strike first i know quite a few corps arming for the sudden but inevitable betrayal
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3240
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:13:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:The next big war will most likely trigger after fanfest build when hords of vets come back tp try out this promised land. And kain quickly loses control of corp leaders who dont want to play nice.
Assuming fanfest build is awsome of course.
The donute could also collaspe due to paranoi that someone is going to strike first i know quite a few corps arming for the sudden but inevitable betrayal
http://youtu.be/znxFrgql5dc
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
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Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2668
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:17:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:http://youtu.be/znxFrgql5dc
I can't express how happy this reference made me. 
+1 Mr. Spero
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Beld Errmon
1584
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:25:00 -
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Except for all those other times when numbers didn't win the war....
I know from putting all the members of another large corp I was in on my contacts list and watching activity that only about 20% of 300 of that corps members got more then 1 kill during a week and only about 20 of those got more than 200 kills.
Maybe other corps are different to one degree or another, but my point stands, numbers mean jack if you can't field 16 good players and win a battle.
Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
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Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2668
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:29:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Except for all those other times when numbers didn't win the war....
I know from putting all the members of another large corp I was in on my contacts list and watching activity that only about 20% of 300 of that corps members got more then 1 kill during a week and only about 20 of those got more than 200 kills.
Maybe other corps are different to one degree or another, but my point stands, numbers mean jack if you can't field 16 good players and win a battle.
True. Yet, playing a shell game with the enemy players helps. If you spam enough attacks en mass, it becomes difficult to decide where to defend.
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Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2668
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:31:00 -
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For example, seed 50 clone packs but only occupy a quarter of them for the first five minutes of a match. Back out and send scouts to remaining matches turn objectives, win matches in the confusion.
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Spirax Sarco
Swiss Bank of New Eden
31
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:41:00 -
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just the idea of this is what makes Dust good....
C.R.E.A.M.
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3244
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:05:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:For example, seed 50 clone packs but only occupy a quarter of them for the first five minutes of a match. Back out and send scouts to remaining matches turn objectives, win matches in the confusion.
Tactics win battles but logistics wins wars. I love this kind of thinking. I hope you guys can do it with clone packs that aren't utter crap though.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
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Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2668
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:29:00 -
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To reiterate, the community has the power to change the landscape of Molden Health if they are genuinely determined to think outside the box.
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2805
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:32:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:The next big war will most likely trigger after fanfest build when hords of vets come back tp try out this promised land. And kain quickly loses control of corp leaders who dont want to play nice.
Assuming fanfest build is awsome of course.
The donute could also collaspe due to paranoi that someone is going to strike first i know quite a few corps arming for the sudden but inevitable betrayal http://youtu.be/znxFrgql5dc
:-D:-D:-D
Dam i miss that show....curse u fox :-(
But really will some one hurry up and start a war i can do only so much fourm trolling to stoke tention
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Jack Kittinger
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
210
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:32:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:I GÖÑ instigators.
I GÖÑ forums that are easy to instigate
just like sparks next to a powder keg, it's only natural
Proud winner of the 'Templar BPO Raffle' by Castor Crave!!
Lucky Number 29
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12169
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:33:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:For example, seed 50 clone packs but only occupy a quarter of them for the first five minutes of a match. Back out and send scouts to remaining matches turn objectives, win matches in the confusion.
I have always loved the idea of this tactic.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2668
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:34:00 -
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Shameless Plug for Sabotage Challenge,
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153209&find=unread
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Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2668
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:41:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:For example, seed 50 clone packs but only occupy a quarter of them for the first five minutes of a match. Back out and send scouts to remaining matches turn objectives, win matches in the confusion. I have always loved the idea of this tactic.
That's why it's nice the clone pack are an 'inexpensive' 36 million compared to the 80 million clone packs for 200 clones Kane Spero is proposing....
Kane Spero's suggestions
Kain Spero wrote:I think we all realise that Planetary Conquest has some holes in it still and I think simple changes could be made to dramatically improve how PC 1.0 plays out. The current situation I think exemplifies some of the numerous issues from clone pack size to passive ISK being better than fighting. I have a series of proposed ideas that I'd like to hear the community's thoughts on.
- 1. Increase Clone Pack Size to 200 Clones at 80 (or 60) million ISK a piece. Alternate option is go back to 150 clones at 45 million ISK.
- 2. Turn off clone auto sale or reduced passive clone sales to 60k and increase biomass from battle to 160k
- 3. Make it where you only get ISK for clones killed in battle, which will tie up some loose ends potential locking for profit.
- 4. Make clone moves a minimum of 200 clones so that a district is weakened when an attack is launched and help minimize the snowball effect of owning many many districts.
- 5. Explore the idea of opening another Region of space in Dust 514 Planetary Conquest to spur activity, but only if the issues with passive ISK are addressed.
- 6. Implement a district transfer function so that a corporation doesn't have to use a clone pack to get into PC and also open up possibilities in terms of how conflicts are resolved outside of battle. (Probably can't be done in a hotfix)
- 7. Add an option at the end of battle to liquidate loot for ISK, so that even when a battle is lost you still have a way to make ISK out of it or come close to breaking even (Probably can't be done in a hotfix). Alternate idea is to just give some amount of ISK even when losing.
- 8. Add the ability for any Eve pilot to connect to a district and fire for either team. This would allow freedom of association when it comes to alliance membership and allow Dust matches to be content for all of New Eden.
- 9. Add the ability to bring up the map for upcoming battle while in the War Barge. (Probably can't be done in a hotfix)
- 10. Make attacks generate mail notifications like defenses currently do.
Thanks to Eugene Killmore for helping get some of the brain juice flowing in this discussion. Edit: Points Updated to Reflect Discussion
#tinfoil hat time
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2443
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:09:00 -
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How exciting, I made about 100 million off the FEC war in 1.3. I would welcome some additional income! |
noobsniper the 2nd
Inner.Hell
383
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:25:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:The next big war will most likely trigger after fanfest build when hords of vets come back tp try out this promised land. And kain quickly loses control of corp leaders who dont want to play nice.
Assuming fanfest build is awsome of course.
The donute could also collaspe due to paranoi that someone is going to strike first i know quite a few corps arming for the sudden but inevitable betrayal
THE GRAMMAR IT HURTS
"things are made of stuff"-Bill Nye
MAG vet raven ftw
Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2805
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:28:00 -
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noobsniper the 2nd wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:The next big war will most likely trigger after fanfest build when hords of vets come back tp try out this promised land. And kain quickly loses control of corp leaders who dont want to play nice.
Assuming fanfest build is awsome of course.
The donute could also collaspe due to paranoi that someone is going to strike first i know quite a few corps arming for the sudden but inevitable betrayal THE GRAMMAR IT HURTS
youve not been here long have you :P
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
2316
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:35:00 -
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Stats show that Kain and Jadek regularly post on each other's threads. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2331
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:57:00 -
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not going to happen ^^
even if darkstar wanted into pc it's a waste of effort, let's pretend the AE alliance didn't show up to any pc fights and let you have every single district without a fight.
they would then enjoy the process of taking them back from you, while dark star would get burnt out from the attacks.
morale of the story even if you want in PC AE obviously wants it more then you, you are just giving them what they want, bragging rights and a fight.
this is sadly true of just about ever corp currently in dust, at least the ones not already within the AE alliance. |
Jadek Menaheim
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2681
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Posted - 2014.04.10 10:30:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Stats show that Kain and Jadek regularly post on each other's threads.
And the rabbit hole goes deeper...
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Jadek Menaheim
Ancient Textiles.
2943
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Posted - 2014.05.08 04:42:00 -
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I am curious to see how the landscape of Molden Heath will change in the coming months.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10194
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Posted - 2014.05.08 04:51:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Except for all those other times when numbers didn't win the war....
I know from putting all the members of another large corp I was in on my contacts list and watching activity that only about 20% of 300 of that corps members got more then 1 kill during a week and only about 20 of those got more than 200 kills.
Maybe other corps are different to one degree or another, but my point stands, numbers mean jack if you can't field 16 good players and win a battle.
Yup all those times those superior numbers were bottle necked into arbitrary 16 vs 16 fights....... thats how the Spartan's did it at Thermopylae....
Xerxes: Attack my 1,000,000 men!
Leonidas : Whoa bro cool your jets, you can only fight my 300 dudes at schedules times of the day in 16 vs 16 combat.
Markdown:
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Jadek Menaheim
Ancient Textiles.
2943
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Posted - 2014.05.08 04:57:00 -
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Yes, the best you can hope for with a force of Xerxes is a long drawn out endurance battle with the enemy in multiple coordinated 16 v 16 combat zones.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1684
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:15:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:I am curious to see how the landscape of Molden Heath will change in the coming months.
Months?
MONTHS?
LOL!!
Its been a few DAYS since Fanfest Red Wedding Betrayal edition.
Numbers are DOWN by 600 on a Wednesday .
In July its PS4 Destiny Beta.
By September you are lucky to MAYBE get 1000 players still playing DEAD Dust 514.
Talk to the sig.
F U C K Legion.
Planetside 2 , Destiny, Watchdogs, Division, Witcher, Order on PS4
Dust Deserters Alliance
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1684
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:19:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Yes, the best you can hope for with a force of * crickets * is a long drawn out endurance battle with the enemy in multiple coordinated 3 v 5 combat zones.
Fixed.
Being optimistic on those numbers since in a bit it will most likely be 2 versus 3 or just ONE versus NONE.
Talk to the sig.
F U C K Legion.
Planetside 2 , Destiny, Watchdogs, Division, Witcher, Order on PS4
Dust Deserters Alliance
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THE 2000 SWINE
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:14:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Yes, the best you can hope for with a force of * crickets * is a long drawn out endurance battle with the enemy in multiple coordinated 3 v 5 combat zones. Fixed. Being optimistic on those numbers since in a bit it will most likely be 2 versus 3 or just ONE versus NONE. Talk to the sig.
yeah, but the players will be MasterRacetards in Sentinels suits redline sniping with MD's,,could be strategic battles of manoeuvre warfare..EPIC FPS SKILLZ!
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Jadek Menaheim
Ancient Textiles.
2945
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:19:00 -
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Red line sniping with mass drivers?
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CEOPyrex CloneA
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
697
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:34:00 -
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Funnily enough i managed to lure Josh out of his man cave for a few moments recently with the promise of pop tarts and hemp where we discussed the potential all out attack on Moldey Hatch.
We then realised that we have lives and do go out and touch boobs from time to time so given the 'crying baby' mechanic that relies on quite a large group of people not having jobs, lives, souls, brains we are going to pass.
To think, we lost corp battles for PC - makes me want to cry, anyone remember our corp 'ARSE LAB' sessions? ahhh such good times trying to load a tank onto 2 dropships and take off.......
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THE 2000 SWINE
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:44:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Funnily enough i managed to lure Josh out of his man cave for a few moments recently with the promise of pop tarts and hemp where we discussed the potential all out attack on Moldey Hatch.
We then realised that we have lives and do go out and touch boobs from time to time so given the 'crying baby' mechanic that relies on quite a large group of people not having jobs, lives, souls, brains we are going to pass.
To think, we lost corp battles for PC - makes me want to cry, anyone remember our corp 'ARSE LAB' sessions? ahhh such good times trying to load a tank onto 2 dropships and take off.......
Moldy snatch and boobs, with a stoner strung out on pop tarts...now i gotta hear this!
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THE 2000 SWINE
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:51:00 -
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sorry didn't have my glasses on, my eyes aren't as laser focused as they once where. |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3302
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:51:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Funnily enough i managed to lure Josh out of his man cave for a few moments recently with the promise of pop tarts and hemp where we discussed the potential all out attack on Moldey Hatch.
We then realised that we have lives and do go out and touch boobs from time to time so given the 'crying baby' mechanic that relies on quite a large group of people not having jobs, lives, souls, brains we are going to pass.
To think, we lost corp battles for PC - makes me want to cry, anyone remember our corp 'ARSE LAB' sessions? ahhh such good times trying to load a tank onto 2 dropships and take off.......
Actually, I work from home and PC is still a pain in the arse.
When I was out of work on a mad one for a bit, it was still a pain in the arse.
Now if your a 9-5 guy..........you must have mental problems to be doing PC lol.
Well that was fun
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3302
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:01:00 -
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And pyrex you sound like you live reasonably near me, I'm just a bit more rough around the edges. I would really like to buy a copy of the card game and even fund a batch so other dusters can have a pack as a momento.
We were all here together at the cutting edge of a game revolution almost.
Well that was fun
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CEOPyrex CloneA
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
698
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:40:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:And pyrex you sound like you live reasonably near me, I'm just a bit more rough around the edges. I would really like to buy a copy of the card game and even fund a batch so other dusters can have a pack as a momento.
We were all here together at the cutting edge of a game revolution almost.
Were workin on this, The Dust / Legion thing may have thrown a spanner in the works...... |
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