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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:28:00 -
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There are a lot of rich Mercs in Dust 514 but there is more Mercs with very little Isk.When we turn on Dust ccp give us skill points for playing everyday capping at 6000 skill points.What I think would be better is that ccp gives us daily Isk not the skill points if ccp was to do this it would make things easier for the Mercs that don't have enough Isk to play.What do you guys think. |
Death Shadow117
Endless Hatred
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
36
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:31:00 -
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+100,000,000
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aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
620
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:34:00 -
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No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3565
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:34:00 -
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PvE (if ever released) should be a prime spot for gaining ISK.
Til then, biomass farm some alts.
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
71
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:36:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness.
Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk. |
The Headless Horseman
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
169
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:36:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:There are a lot of rich Mercs in Dust 514 but there is more Mercs with very little Isk.When we turn on Dust ccp give us skill points for playing everyday capping at 6000 skill points.What I think would be better is that ccp gives us daily Isk not the skill points if ccp was to do this it would make things easier for the Mercs that don't have enough Isk to play.What do you guys think.
What are you smoking?
NEVER EVER gonna happen.
people would have 30 alts collecting isk daily. Dust would be ruined...........oh wait
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
71
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:38:00 -
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The Headless Horseman wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:There are a lot of rich Mercs in Dust 514 but there is more Mercs with very little Isk.When we turn on Dust ccp give us skill points for playing everyday capping at 6000 skill points.What I think would be better is that ccp gives us daily Isk not the skill points if ccp was to do this it would make things easier for the Mercs that don't have enough Isk to play.What do you guys think. What are you smoking? NEVER EVER gonna happen. people would have 30 alts collecting isk daily. Dust would be ruined...........oh wait
Just a suggestion that is all I know it will never happen and I know what I'm smoking |
Kosakai
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
53
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:40:00 -
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more SP (free SP) ---> better gear ----> more ISK .... dont have ISK ? buy AURUM  good job CCP 
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Donwalis
Carbon 7
33
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:40:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness.
So true the reason they give you sp is to skill up and make more isk Because you had more isk them sp you will still get your butt beat in a milita suit you will not be effective |
The Headless Horseman
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
169
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:41:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:PvE (if ever released) should be a prime spot for gaining ISK.
Til then, biomass farm some alts.
LMAO, u go right ahead. You don't think they know? Oh I can't wait........ -2,000,000,000
All those tears.
The EULA states ONE account per ps3.
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
71
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:44:00 -
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The Headless Horseman wrote:Rynoceros wrote:PvE (if ever released) should be a prime spot for gaining ISK.
Til then, biomass farm some alts. LMAO, u go right ahead. You don't think they know? Oh I can't wait........ -2,000,000,000 All those tears. The EULA states ONE account per ps3.
-2,000,000,000 don't understand do they take back money that you farm from other alts? |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
620
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:45:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk.
What you are asking is a bit too much.
CCP gives us SP every time we log in after a downtime because SP is not easy to earn. ISK on the other hand is rewarded everytime a battle finishes and how much you get is depending on how much you contribute in battle.
But this suggestion is just like saying that you can go to your office everyday and leave immediately but still payed for it because you entered the office, even without doing any work.
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
71
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:50:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk. What you are asking is a bit too much. CCP gives us SP every time we log in after a downtime because SP is not easy to earn. ISK on the other hand is rewarded everytime a battle finishes and how much you get is depending on how much you contribute in battle. But this suggestion is just like saying that you can go to your office everyday and leave immediately but still payed for it because you entered the office, even without doing any work.
Skill points is easier to get then Isk the payouts at the end of the matches is a joke everybody has to agree with that |
Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
445
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:51:00 -
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Nope. I'm still in SP debt. Play for an hour, you can make 1,000,000 ISK and around 20,000 SP. I'll take the many thousands of SP of any amount of ISK.
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aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
621
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:57:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk. What you are asking is a bit too much. CCP gives us SP every time we log in after a downtime because SP is not easy to earn. ISK on the other hand is rewarded everytime a battle finishes and how much you get is depending on how much you contribute in battle. But this suggestion is just like saying that you can go to your office everyday and leave immediately but still payed for it because you entered the office, even without doing any work. Skill points is easier to get then Isk the payouts at the end of the matches is a joke everybody has to agree with that
Wrong.
It is easy to get 150k - 220k ISK per match if you make an effort to play, that means assist you teammates and relive them or maybe even get some kills will increase your payout. |
Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
71
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:03:00 -
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Man you buggers like to argue. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3570
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:18:00 -
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The Headless Horseman wrote:Rynoceros wrote:PvE (if ever released) should be a prime spot for gaining ISK.
Til then, biomass farm some alts. LMAO, u go right ahead. You don't think they know? Oh I can't wait........ -2,000,000,000 All those tears. The EULA states ONE account per ps3.
In the past, they have stated that this is acceptable.
If they're not going to remove ISK gained through district locking abuse, they're not going to **** with the rest of us for putting in some extra work in an attempt to keep up.
It makes their activity numbers look better against all of Dust's detractors.
What's the worst that could happen?
Remove the ill-gotten funds? With what reliable stat tracker?
Ban the account of somebody that was already having a bad run and had to result to money laundering? Yes, lose more players for victimless activities. That'll bode well with reviews and an already miniscule playerbase.
More Proto ISK items on the field means more tryhards spending Aurum to combat them.
More Aurum sales, better player retention - farming alts is a good thing.
I GÖú Kittens.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2636
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:20:00 -
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SP >> ISK.
/thread
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
889
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:23:00 -
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SP > ISK
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2636
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:26:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:SP > ISK
lol, you are missing a '>''
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1096
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:37:00 -
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The bonus SP is actually a rather large amount every day.
Think of it like this:
190,400 a week from Active Bonus.
168,000 a week from Passive.
42,000 a week from log in.
358,400
That is an extra 11.7% SP from logging in every day. It is less significant if you are using boosters but it is still a healthy.
In order to equal 6,000 SP, I would need to play 6 games after cap. In those games, say I bring in 1,000,000 isk (in truth, it could be double that). In order for the daily bonus to be worth more than 6 games, it would need to be a million or more. That means, with 3 guys on your account, you are pulling in 3 million a day. Say they cap it to one per account, you will have those people farming accounts. If you thought PC Locking was bad, wait until you see the people taking 20 minutes a day to log in 10 accounts. Against the EULA but I don't think that would stop everyone.
SP and the Skinner Box "gotta cap out!" drives so many people. That at least gets them logging in every day. Money wouldn't. I have run ISK positive for months and months; ISK doesn't mean too much to me.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2158
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:40:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:There are a lot of rich Mercs in Dust 514 but there is more Mercs with very little Isk.When we turn on Dust ccp give us skill points for playing everyday capping at 6000 skill points.What I think would be better is that ccp gives us daily Isk not the skill points if ccp was to do this it would make things easier for the Mercs that don't have enough Isk to play.What do you guys think.
No. SP are worth way more than some ISK you can farm without a problem. SP is the best thing CCP can give you. I don't care about ISK at all. Heck: I threw about 10 - 15 million ISK into the gutter just to cap out the Commando/Sidearm-event and I would do it again without a second thought.
If you have ISK problems I have a simple tip for you: Run cheaper gear. Because obviously you can't afford what you're running.
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Myron Kundera
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
58
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:21:00 -
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I would rather gain SP than Isk, but, i would like to get more Isk from pub matches when you cap out, say, 25% more?
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
1264
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:38:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk. What you are asking is a bit too much. CCP gives us SP every time we log in after a downtime because SP is not easy to earn. ISK on the other hand is rewarded everytime a battle finishes and how much you get is depending on how much you contribute in battle. But this suggestion is just like saying that you can go to your office everyday and leave immediately but still payed for it because you entered the office, even without doing any work.
where do you think all my forum warrioring gets done? While I'm in my office. Sounds like you need a better job my friend
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The Headless Horseman
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
172
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:55:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:The Headless Horseman wrote:Rynoceros wrote:PvE (if ever released) should be a prime spot for gaining ISK.
Til then, biomass farm some alts. LMAO, u go right ahead. You don't think they know? Oh I can't wait........ -2,000,000,000 All those tears. The EULA states ONE account per ps3. -2,000,000,000 don't understand do they take back money that you farm from other alts?
If your lucky! I HIGHLY doubt you would continue to exist on any alt. Its coming!
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m twiggz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
464
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:11:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:PvE (if ever released) should be a prime spot for gaining ISK.
Til then, biomass farm some alts.
The time it takes to farm 250k ISK from Alts and biomassing is a bad tactic. 250k ISK can be made in less than 10 minutes by running an ambush in free/BPO suits. If you cannot succeed in making 250k ISK in one ambush then perhaps this isn't the game for you. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3576
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:33:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:Rynoceros wrote:PvE (if ever released) should be a prime spot for gaining ISK.
Til then, biomass farm some alts. The time it takes to farm 250k ISK from Alts and biomassing is a bad tactic. 250k ISK can be made in less than 10 minutes by running an ambush in free/BPO suits. If you cannot succeed in making 250k ISK in one ambush then perhaps this isn't the game for you.
This is true.
But if done right, you can profit 4.5 million ISK a day - hassle free, off of just 3 accounts.
120,000,000 a month without dealing with Scotty, etc....
I'll take that.
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
716
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:36:00 -
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Playing this game a lot teaches you nuances that allows you to be a better player even in lower tier gear but the point is running solo (which you shouldn't do but most newer players are pretty much driven to do) nets next to nothing in sp per battle. On my alts, I use that daily sp to help boost their skills as they are low level. All my skills are in core so I still have starter fits. I still manage to make 1 mil in 4 matches running ambush doing nothing but support and sniping.
Budgeting is really not that hard. New players are stuck on the idea that gear = win. What almost always wins is tactics and teamwork. A lot of new players are stuck on the gear concept in their head and keep bringing in expensive gear expecting a different outcome with the same bull rushing style play and assuming the other players are winning simply because they can spam more of the expensive gear.
Average match pay / suit cost = can lose x amount of suits before losing money.
can lose x amount of suits before losing money - 2 suits = profit each match by switching to starter fits
Flanking wins. Learn that running away is a valid tactic. Fight on your own terms. Stop being eager.
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Vinny Gar
grief thief
25
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:54:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk.
Sure...
That's like saying, "Hey doctor, I have this friend who has this std. Do you think you could prescribe me some medication for my friend to use?"
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Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
890
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:11:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk. What you are asking is a bit too much. CCP gives us SP every time we log in after a downtime because SP is not easy to earn. ISK on the other hand is rewarded everytime a battle finishes and how much you get is depending on how much you contribute in battle. But this suggestion is just like saying that you can go to your office everyday and leave immediately but still payed for it because you entered the office, even without doing any work. Skill points is easier to get then Isk the payouts at the end of the matches is a joke everybody has to agree with that Wrong. It is easy to get 150k - 220k ISK per match if you make an effort to play, that means assist you teammates and relive them or maybe even get some kills will increase your payout.
Yeah but when you make an effort to play you end up dying, usually multiple times (which when running anything but a free suit can really add up. And yes I know how the forum demigods can utterly kick ass in cheap suits but most people get instagibbed in those same suits) unless the enemy is complete sh!t. In which case even when you do make an effort you don't get much because everyone else on the team has roughly the same WP's.
I find it amazing how a lot forum users are against any suggestion that will make more players competitive. It's almost like they're afraid of competition.
On the topic however, I don't think they should replace the log in bonus sp with isk; they just need to increase the reward from pub matches. Not only the isk payout but the chance of getting salvage as well. Though the salvage is kind of iffy, because while I've maybe gotten 10-15 things in the past 3 months; there are people that get stuff after almost every other match.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
643
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:17:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:
Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk.
I usually have anywhere between 5 and 30 million ISK. I also run proto 1/3rd of the time.
You're broke because you're bad.
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
890
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:33:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:SP > ISK lol, you are missing a '>''
> means greater than, so I could have said: "SP greater than ISK"
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
75
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:27:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:
Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk.
I usually have anywhere between 5 and 30 million ISK. I also run proto 1/3rd of the time. You're broke because you're bad.
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
United Brotherhood Alliance
452
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:32:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk.
If you want isk GO PLAY MATCHES. Run cheap fits and do ambush matches, get out of your damn merc quarters. I use vehicles I know what it's like to be constantly low on isk - and y'know what I do when I want to run my shiny toys? Spend time playing matches where my goal is solely to make isk. |
Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
772
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:43:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:aden slayer wrote:No.
If you want ISK you should get your ass out of the merc quarters and fight.
Getting payed for logging in is pure laziness. Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk.
He's not trolling was he is saying is true.
You know what I do when I'm poor? I play ambush and throw on a free medic militia fit, and run around and just stick people, after an hour if it's a bad one 1million isk if it's a good one 3million. Guess what, I'm not poor anymore. (from my perspective, feck all of you reading this and thinking that's pocket change.)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2640
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:29:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:SP > ISK lol, you are missing a '>'' > means greater than, so I could have said: "SP greater than ISK"
Indeed it does. You may have missed a post right above yours:
John Demonsbane wrote:SP >> ISK.
/thread
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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MythTanker
The Phoenix Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:32:00 -
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Enki Kalgarian wrote:There are a lot of rich Mercs in Dust 514 but there is more Mercs with very little Isk.When we turn on Dust ccp give us skill points for playing everyday capping at 6000 skill points.What I think would be better is that ccp gives us daily Isk not the skill points if ccp was to do this it would make things easier for the Mercs that don't have enough Isk to play.What do you guys think.
ISK comes and goes. SP is permanent.
Heavies are OP? Say that to the buisness end of my HMG you peasent.
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MythTanker
The Phoenix Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:38:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Enki Kalgarian wrote:
Hey troll I'm not asking for myself I'm asking for all the Mercs that have no Isk.
I usually have anywhere between 5 and 30 million ISK. I also run proto 1/3rd of the time. You're broke because you're bad.
Or he could have isk management issues... Being poor has nothing to do with skill. Obvious troll is obvious.
Heavies are OP? Say that to the buisness end of my HMG you peasent.
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