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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:28:00 -
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So, a large railgun shot is 80GJ?
Well. Considering how fast a railgun can charge up, that indicates that the power output of a large railgun is in excess of 140 GW.
140 Gigawatts. That's... somewhat concerning.
Consider, for example, the peak power consumption of Britain on record: approximately 60 GW.
Then consider the power consumption of France: 100 GW.
That means that every time you fire a large railgun, you are consuming as much power for that shot as the peak power consumption of Britain and France combined.
Pretty wimpy railguns for 80GJ. Not that I actually want them to raze the entire battlefield automatically when they fire.
This does beg the question of where the power is coming from as well. It's not coming from the tank's power grid, considering that's measured in megawatts.
Also, a small 20GJ railgun on my LAV might have a little problem with destroying the entire map if it really outputted its full power.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Sev Alcatraz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
524
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:31:00 -
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Me and my corp mates discussed this one night, we came to the conclusion that there are a few large capacitors (one for every shot) that are charged by a high output cold fusion reactor.
closed beta Vet
"The mashed up corpses of red Berrys make for great track lube"
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1pawn dust
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:31:00 -
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Have you seen capacitors in the Eve universe? Hell the gun might be 80GJ but I bet you a ton of money that its not receiving it  |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3276
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:32:00 -
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Railgun is UP
I should be able to nuke the entire map and win the game in 1 shot |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:36:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Railgun is UP
I should be able to nuke the entire map and win the game in 1 shot
Oh, you. 
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6460
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:38:00 -
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The power of CCP's Nerf Bat far exceeds 80GJ.
Ratamaq Doc: The Best Swarmer Who Ever Lived.
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:40:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Railgun is UP
I should be able to nuke the entire map and win the game in 1 shot
Well it is AV (technically), so I wouldn't have a f*ck to give.
Ratamaq Doc: The Best Swarmer Who Ever Lived.
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
742
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:42:00 -
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time travel
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1080
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:42:00 -
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This topic has been discussed before.
"Just the thing being fired would pretty much kill anything around it. 80 GJ is a hell of a lot of force. 1 ton (2,000 pounds / 907.185 kilos) of TNT gives off 4.184 GJ of energy. Even the puny side blasters give off over four and a half tons of TNT, with a rate of fire of 857.1 rounds a minute. "
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
8187
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:51:00 -
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Who knew, CCP actually made Caldari less powerful than they're supposed to be, for once.
My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone.
If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:52:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:This topic has been discussed before."Just the thing being fired would pretty much kill anything around it. 80 GJ is a hell of a lot of force. 1 ton (2,000 pounds / 907.185 kilos) of TNT gives off 4.184 GJ of energy. Even the puny side blasters give off over four and a half tons of TNT, with a rate of fire of 857.1 rounds a minute. "
So it has, so it has. It's quite amusing, nonetheless.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
988
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:56:00 -
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425mm Railgun I
Activation Cost 21 GJ
"Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads."
-CCP Logibro
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Krom Ganesh
Nos Nothi
1497
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:01:00 -
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It's not that unreasonable. The US Navy's Railgun can use 33 megajoules and they hope to bring it up to 64 megajoules. Granted these are weapons intended to be mounted on a ship and not a tank. Link |
WUT ANG
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:06:00 -
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Ccp is sorry the dev that renames thing's has been on vacation for 1.5 years.
Minmatar all the way.
Weapon sp refund please
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Izlare Lenix
Arrogance.
376
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:08:00 -
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20,000 years in the future they probably have watch batteries with 80gj of juice.
Just look at how far cell phone batteries have progressed. They have gone from large and weak to very strong and very small.
20,000 years is a long time to improve batteries and power generation.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:14:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:20,000 years in the future they probably have watch batteries with 80gj of juice.
Just look at how far cell phone batteries have progressed. They have gone from large and weak to very strong and very small.
20,000 years is a long time to improve batteries and power generation.
If I had a watch battery with the energy storage of a small nuclear weapon I would be terrified.
Also, that doesn't mean matter magically became much more resistant to vast quantities of energy being chucked at it. Firing one of these things, if it truly threw out 80GJ, would literally vaporise the battlefield.
A 1kg thorium round with 80GJ of energy would be millions of degrees centigrade and travel at many times the speed of sound.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
446
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:23:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:It's not that unreasonable. The US Navy's Railgun can use 33 megajoules and they hope to bring it up to 64 megajoules. Granted these are weapons intended to be mounted on a ship and not a tank. Link
Megajoules and GIGAjoules are worlds apart you know... |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1082
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:35:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:20,000 years in the future they probably have watch batteries with 80gj of juice.
Just look at how far cell phone batteries have progressed. They have gone from large and weak to very strong and very small.
20,000 years is a long time to improve batteries and power generation. If I had a watch battery with the energy storage of a small nuclear weapon I would be terrified. Also, that doesn't mean matter magically became much more resistant to vast quantities of energy being chucked at it. Firing one of these things, if it truly threw out 80GJ, would literally vaporise the battlefield. A 1kg thorium round with 80GJ of energy would be millions of degrees centigrade and travel at many times the speed of sound.
The main thing isn't so much the amount of energy consumed but what the end result would be.
Let's say that the 80gj is the amount of force that the round has. Whatever it hit would have been hit with the same amount of energy released in 19 tons of TnT. It wouldn't so much be a projectile 'bullet' at that time but rather a 'force missile.' Would basically cause an explosion everywhere it hit.
MythBuster detonates a 1,000 pound bomb.. It wouldn't work quite like that as would more likely pierce and not release all of its power but the energy level is terrifying.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:40:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:20,000 years in the future they probably have watch batteries with 80gj of juice.
Just look at how far cell phone batteries have progressed. They have gone from large and weak to very strong and very small.
20,000 years is a long time to improve batteries and power generation. If I had a watch battery with the energy storage of a small nuclear weapon I would be terrified. Also, that doesn't mean matter magically became much more resistant to vast quantities of energy being chucked at it. Firing one of these things, if it truly threw out 80GJ, would literally vaporise the battlefield. A 1kg thorium round with 80GJ of energy would be millions of degrees centigrade and travel at many times the speed of sound. The main thing isn't so much the amount of energy consumed but what the end result would be. Let's say that the 80gj is the amount of force that the round has. Whatever it hit would have been hit with the same amount of energy released in 19 tons of TnT. It wouldn't so much be a projectile 'bullet' at that time but rather a 'force missile.' Would basically cause an explosion everywhere it hit. MythBuster detonates a 1,000 pound bomb.. It wouldn't work quite like that as would more likely pierce and not release all of its power but the energy level is terrifying.
The energy lost as heat from an 80GJ round would be enough to sublimate the environment around it.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
4992
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:40:00 -
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So railguns came pre Nerfed huh lol
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
League of Infamy
459
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:04:00 -
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This sort of reminds me of my speculations of what an 8000 m/sec forge projectile's atmospheric displacement and sonic boom should do just passing near an infantry unit if there were any realism to it.
I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
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Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
446
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:09:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:20,000 years in the future they probably have watch batteries with 80gj of juice.
Just look at how far cell phone batteries have progressed. They have gone from large and weak to very strong and very small.
20,000 years is a long time to improve batteries and power generation. If I had a watch battery with the energy storage of a small nuclear weapon I would be terrified. Also, that doesn't mean matter magically became much more resistant to vast quantities of energy being chucked at it. Firing one of these things, if it truly threw out 80GJ, would literally vaporise the battlefield. A 1kg thorium round with 80GJ of energy would be millions of degrees centigrade and travel at many times the speed of sound. The main thing isn't so much the amount of energy consumed but what the end result would be. Let's say that the 80gj is the amount of force that the round has. Whatever it hit would have been hit with the same amount of energy released in 19 tons of TnT. It wouldn't so much be a projectile 'bullet' at that time but rather a 'force missile.' Would basically cause an explosion everywhere it hit. MythBuster detonates a 1,000 pound bomb.. It wouldn't work quite like that as would more likely pierce and not release all of its power but the energy level is terrifying. The energy lost as heat from an 80GJ round would be enough to sublimate the environment around it.
Indeed.
Most likely it would ignite the air like a thermobaric bomb of ridiculous proportions.
Also I have to say I'd share your fears about a 20 GJ watch battery. Your average watchbattery weighs what, a couple of grams give or take? Any substance containing 20 GJ of chemical energy in only a couple of grams would most likely be quite volatile and not something I'd like to wear around my wrist.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12135
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:11:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:
Also I have to say I'd share your fears about a 20 GJ watch battery. Your average watchbattery weighs what, a couple of grams give or take? Any substance containing 20 GJ of chemical energy in only a couple of grams would most likely be quite volatile and not something I'd like to wear around my wrist.
Frankly, I'd rather throw these watch batteries at my enemy as grenades than throw the grenades we have.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
446
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:13:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:This sort of reminds me of my speculations of what an 8000 m/sec forge projectile's atmospheric displacement and sonic boom should do just passing near an infantry unit if there were any realism to it.
Thank god for dropsuits then. 
Make no mistake, it's perfectly reasonable for most weapons in Dust to be way more destructive than current conventional weaponry. (you'd have to pack quite a punch to bypass the sci-fi defenses of any given dropsuit)
But... In certain areas I think the developers went a bit "derp physics?"  |
Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
446
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:14:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:
Also I have to say I'd share your fears about a 20 GJ watch battery. Your average watchbattery weighs what, a couple of grams give or take? Any substance containing 20 GJ of chemical energy in only a couple of grams would most likely be quite volatile and not something I'd like to wear around my wrist.
Frankly, I'd rather throw these watch batteries at my enemy as grenades than throw the grenades we have.
Hehehe, you trustq your throwing arm that well? Once it hits it might well enough take you with it in the blast.  |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:15:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:
Also I have to say I'd share your fears about a 20 GJ watch battery. Your average watchbattery weighs what, a couple of grams give or take? Any substance containing 20 GJ of chemical energy in only a couple of grams would most likely be quite volatile and not something I'd like to wear around my wrist.
Frankly, I'd rather throw these watch batteries at my enemy as grenades than throw the grenades we have. Hehehe, you trustq your throwing arm that well? Once it hits it might well enough take you with it in the blast.
No. I don't.
That's why I plan to have an uplink... oh, about a kilometre away.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Fibo Gjenn
UN3VERSAL BONDAGE
2
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:23:00 -
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Well it is Caldari, so a certain element of marketing, must be taken into consideration. How else can you explain a "rail" gun with a 300 m range. My potato canon can out range it on a good day.
I think we can conclude, that there has been government mismanagement of funds, in the colonial defense department , on an epic scale. And that some Caldari contractor made a killing. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
518
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:26:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Who knew, CCP actually made Caldari less powerful than they're supposed to be, for once.
In dust everyone knows that Caldari sucks .
Gal
Amarr
Caladri / Minmatar running neck and neck and you know that a Mimi is faster .
Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12137
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:40:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Who knew, CCP actually made Caldari less powerful than they're supposed to be, for once. In dust everyone knows that Caldari sucks . Gal Amarr Caladri / Minmatar running neck and neck and you know that a Mimi is faster .
Right, Caldari sucks, sure... That's why rail rifles account for 40% of all light weapon sales and Caldari sidearms account for over 50% of all sidearms. Yeah. Right.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2749
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:46:00 -
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The Caldari where better dual tankers than the actual dual tankers when it was a legitimate role. And every single one of there weapons that was released excluding the mag and bolt was OP.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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