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Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.08 02:40:00 -
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This is a two fold topic. One beingon jets and the other being on passive scanning.
Passive scanning
I'm not going to lie, how the f...k does it work? Doesur suit have passive scanning already and mods make it better and how what are the diffrent types of scanning. Like I siad I dont get it.
Jets We need them, assult Dropships are not jets and they don't surve the role properly. They're slow and don't have enough fire power to kill on a strife. The only way to get kills with a dropship is to stop moving, look down and become a sitting duck to a forge gunner, rail gun, swarm missles, or rail tankon either side of the map. Lets also not forget the LARGE design flaw of the assult dropship. You can't look up or down far without the dropships body getting in the way. No other vehical has to deal with that. Also, the main turrent likes to swivile up even you want it to stay down. Not only does that make aiming dumb but its an unneeded discomfort while flying. Also, no one really uses dropships the way they are ment to be used. I call in a dropship and wait for people to pile in but no one does. I see someone else calling in a dropship and the ass hole fly's away, its not like they don't see me, they just fly away, and the dropships arn't even assult dropships they are normal. That means they guy just flew off defensless, nor does he even try to give anyone a short lift to the objective. I'm not tell CCP to get rid of dropship or get ride of the VERY LARGE DESGIN FLAWS with the dropship, just saying add in the vehical that people really want to fly. AND for everyone thinking of saying, "the maps are to small," or "I want a bomber." CCP has already shown that they are making jets and they have the air mechanics bult into the game, (dropships 1st person veiw flight and controles) They just need to put in what needs to be in. And for anyone saying we need to raise the player cap.....I saw 7, 7! Tanks in one match. The game doesn't need 32 people. |
Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:32:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Clearly you have no idea how to use an assault dropship. Please stop talking about the camera or they will try and change it again! Its perfect where it is.
I knew someone was going to say something like, "Get good with the camra scrub" or something like that. The Camra placment is a design flaw and I'd be cool with it if it wasn't for the turrnet always trying to right itself when i don't want it to. F skill that crap is annoying, tanks don't have to deal with that crap not really. With the turrent like this a pilot hase to not only aim, worry about running his tail end into something, shoot wich causes the redical to jump, not only that but the blast from the turrent can cause the dropship to shift because of the force of the turrent. |
Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:41:00 -
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Doctor Day wrote:Jets would be to op flyign around scanning fo ur team and squad Bombing tanks the PROTO missile lauchers and if it has 2 slots, damage mod Ramming dropship Assault Dropship skill becoming useless because of blaster turrets going around it,railgun turrets,and missile turrets Jets would need a nerf
Do you fly dropships or are you one of those guys who just crashes them into other people for the hell of it?
They'd be op....becuase they would be doing their job.
They'd be op.... becuase they would be doing their job.
They'd be op.... becuase they would be doing their job.
So that means Jets can never come in. Hell, tanks are op becuase they have alot of armor and a high damge weapon. We should take them out of the game. The Assult dropship is op becuase it can fly and has a small turrent. The jeep is op becuase it can just skirt around damge like its nothing.
As for assult dropship being usless, first off I really feel like they add that becuase people wanted to fly and attack thing without the need of 2 dumb gunners. If jets had been added long ago I have a feeling their wouldn't even be an ADS, but maybe I'm wrong and the Assult dropship was laways intended to be in game. That desn't mean that it will become opssilate. People still use all the suits don't they? |
Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:49:00 -
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JP Acuna wrote:1.-Passive scanning: All dropsuits have a scan precision and a scan radius. Inside that radius, they scan (see) every unit that has a scan profile equal or higher in number to their precision ("the lower the number, the more precise the scan is", hence the lower the number of a scan profile, the less it can be detected). That's why scouts are good for passive scanning, because they have a larger radius and can catch more profiles due to their precision. there are modules to enhance all these atributes: lower profile, enhanced precision and increased radius. Also different suits have different stats.
2.-Jets: Nah, assault dropships can be really fast when you learn how to fly them, and very effective killing infantry after some practice. I don't see how jets would fit in this game, not for the size of the maps, but because there's no point in being faster than a dropship and probably you couldn't hit anything at that speed. About people not using dropships correctly, it's because when you're not in their squad the time it takes to let you in is too long. If you want to transport people or be transported, you should use it in a squad, so you can coordinate on comms and request transport to certain destination or take others where they want to go. I do this all the time when i have a squad, we take uplinks to strategic places or move all together at the beginning of a match (especially useful in domination). When playing solo, i just use my dropship to reach a high place, and i don't want blueberries to get in, because later they won't get out when i try to recall my ship and most of the time they'll steal it and crash it.
I just wrote this whole long thing but pressed cancel instead of post and lost it all.
Thaks for the scanning info.
Ur not trying to figure out what role a jet has and it has a role.
U just don't want them in because ur afraid of them. Just becuase people are afriad of them is no reason not to have them in the game. Hell, its already hard to kill tanks. Jets would be powerful but not unbeatable.
What role do tanks actuly sureve becuase as far as i can tell they just go off killing things on their own. Yes they can block objectives but I don't think they should be abble to do that.
Dropships can kill things but that is not their intended job and to really be affective u need a gunner, tanks don't really need gunners to be effrective.
Not everyone can buy or wants to talk on a head set. There should be some way to communicate with out a mic. Like with the command wheel, why cant for vehicals they add a get out get in command for everyone around.
If this seems odd i'm giving u the TLDR verson of what I said. |
Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:29:00 -
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JP Acuna wrote:Galvan Nized wrote:
They would find their place in the food chain.
Not sure how they could scan for an entire team/squad? DShips can already do this.
We really have no idea what weapons it could have, I think tanks would undoubtedly have some defense against bombing runs.
Jets would have to cost similar money to DShips, can't Dships just ram each other now anyways?
ADS wouldn't be useless, it's the cross between a transport and gunship. We just don't have gunships yet. ADS would most likely be able to attack jets albeit ineffectively. Jets should serve as top of the air food chain but very ineffective at attacking ground troops. Air superiority is their main goal.
Jets would deny dropships, they wouldn't have a way to fight back and would be easy targets. Nowadays there are already too many threats to DS's. How would you flight a dropship having jets in the sky, forgegunners and swarms on the ground, plus tanks? I just think they will never fit.
Jets are ment to controle the skys, dropships would be defended by frendly jets, Dropships arn't ment to be attackers, they can be jarry riged into being killers but that is not their primary role and they don't do it well anyway. Right know to kill anything in a dropship you have to put ur self in a open vurnable position, which an air attack vehical shouldn't have to deal with atleast not in the way the dropship does.
Just be hoenst. Anyone who doesn't want jets is just afriad. Afriad of what jets "could" do and the power they "might" have. Hell, the way I hear it from people Jets will be black streakes in the sky, blowing up jets left and right, being the scurge of the ground. You an everyone must beforgetting that you will most likly be able to call down jets as well.
And just to make things a bit even, have it so that their is no milita varint of the jet. That way no on;ly didicated flyers will be in the air and their can't be a complaints about miltia vs everything else. |
Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:35:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I really cannot see jets being implemented in any way that wouldn't end in either 1) ADSs being completely outclassed and useless or B) Jets being completely useless and UP.
ADS ARN"T MENT TO BE MAIN ATTACK SHIPS.
They are ment to drop a small group in, and do some light enemy clean up with the help of the group it brought in. I don't see anyone complaining about how the jeep can't kill a TANK....having said all of this, their would most likly be ways a dropship could kill a jet. A jet can't fly backwards, nore can it have side gunners to agment its stregth and give tabs to the pilot on were the enemy its fighting is.
Do people just run the worst case scenario in their head? |
Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:43:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Shavan D wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Clearly you have no idea how to use an assault dropship. Please stop talking about the camera or they will try and change it again! Its perfect where it is. I knew someone was going to say something like, "Get good with the camra scrub" or something like that. The Camra placment is a design flaw and I'd be cool with it if it wasn't for the turrnet always trying to right itself when i don't want it to. F skill that crap is annoying, tanks don't have to deal with that crap not really. With the turrent like this a pilot hase to not only aim, worry about running his tail end into something, shoot wich causes the redical to jump, not only that but the blast from the turrent can cause the dropship to shift because of the force of the turrent. I'm glad you knew someone was going to say you aren't good with a dropship, that means you show some sign of your scrubliness. Everything that I read in your op tells me you know very little about assault dropships and how they operate. Not that your bad with the camera (though you clearly are) but that you seriously don't know much about flying an assaul dropship in general. The camera placement is not a design flaw, it allows you to see above and below the ship and a good FOV for your peripherals as well. I don't know if you were around for the camera changes in 1.3,.4,.5,.6 but they were all different aspects that you are currently whining about. 1.4 was great for shooting things with the pilot gun, but you couldn't see the back half of the dropship and would crash a lot because you couldn't see your engines or anything to the side. Of all the cameras I have seen 1.6 is the best (the one we have now) I would hate to have my gun reticule stick, its nice to have it come up level so if I have to get out I don't have to reposition the camera to fly, as well as turn on my AB as well as maneuver away from the threat etc etc. Its not a problem, in fact it really helps you when you don't fight it. It takes a lot of getting use to but that's just the way dropships are, you have to learn from every death. So yeah get better with the camera scrub, practice untill your f****** eyes bleed. I'm sorry you don't want to aim but its something you have to do, that's where the skill comes in. I fly with gunners so a lot of my time is spent flying, not shooting, and the only time I really ever shoot is on a hard target like an installation or a tank that requires the extra dps. Otherwise my gunners can kill infantry 100x faster than I can and can hit more accurately too, wasting less ammo and reducing the time the dropship is exposed. Furthermore I can do orbits with skilled gunners so I don't have to stay still to engage targets. When I have two gunners we can kill a tank in a single strafe run, even in the redline. Some people call this teamwork. I can understand your frustration, sh-íts tough man. Dropships have never been easy and never will be. The camera has already gone through changes and we found this is the best option. When did you start flying assault dropships?
I've been palying since beta when dropships were easy to fly and you could park them up on the old skirmish map and rain down missle fire. I've been fly dropships with every change thats come to them. With the ADS i've killed ground, tanks and even shot other dropships out of the sky. I've been shot down, crashed, and ramed. I know how dropships work.
Going to the ADS, it being in the game does not mean we can't have jets. The ADS like all dropships is ill eqiped for the job, it can do it but it the eqivlent to giving a light suit a rifle and sending him to the front lines. They can get kills to but thats not their best role. The dropship is not aero dynamic, turning to hard to one side can send you careening into a tower or the ground.
Also, like you said the dropship needs extra hands to be effective while the tank and jeep don't. Yes they can do ither roles. Besides, I've killed tanks, by myself with no help before.
Also, I can kill with the ADS controles the way they are, I just don't like them and I know i would bee more effective if I atleast had the option of turing the turrent adjstment off. Unlike you I can fly with out my sight righting, and then you want to call people scrubs when you can't. Not everyone is you, and likes the turrent fighting them.
When did you start playing Dust and fly ADSs, last year? |
Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.09 02:20:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote: I transport ppl every night with DS but i dont rely on random blues to fill my ship. I network here and in game with ppl so saying in absolute that the dropship doesn't feel a transport role because no ones boarding yours is only you perspective of it. The reason ppl are not letting you on their dropship is because your some random blue they don't care to wait around for because that risks taking a railgun while landed waiting on some random blue berry who will were a probably just shoot at the MCC anyway and waste all my ammo like a moron. The dropships are fine you just need to practice more. If you were an actual serious pilot since the days of free calls then you wouldn't be here saying dropships are worthless only new low SP pilots say that stuff.
WHEN DID I EVER SAY THE DROPSHIP WAS WORTHLESS? When? I said that they don't do the role properly, I said they can kill but thats not their main job, jets would do the job of air domance much better. I never said the dropship was worthless just that its doing a job that another vehical would do much better. Imagin if the game started out with just the jeep, it could get kills but a tank will always be better.
Did anyone actully read what i wrote?
As to people not picking me up, what I tend to see is a guy calling in a dropship I keep my distance to show that I know this is his dropship and I wont try and steal it, but then he gets in and 3 people want to get a quick lift but the ass doesn't even do that, he just takes of with an empty dropship, and it not like he can't see us. |
Shavan D
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Posted - 2014.04.09 02:31:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Shavan D wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I really cannot see jets being implemented in any way that wouldn't end in either 1) ADSs being completely outclassed and useless or B) Jets being completely useless and UP. ADS ARN"T MENT TO BE MAIN ATTACK SHIPS. They are ment to drop a small group in, and do some light enemy clean up with the help of the group it brought in. I don't see anyone complaining about how the jeep can't kill a TANK....having said all of this, their would most likly be ways a dropship could kill a jet. A jet can't fly backwards, nore can it have side gunners to agment its stregth and give tabs to the pilot on were the enemy its fighting is. Do people just run the worst case scenario in their head? It doesn't matter what you think an ADSs role is, jets will either be OP or UP against dropships. ADSs have no defense against jets. Heck even shooting another ADS is difficult enough. If jets are strong enough to kill ADSs, ADSs are boned because they can't fight or defend, whether with with a squad or otherwise. Why bother using a +400k, 5 person ship when it's just as effective as a throwaway, 35k 7 seater? If they aren't strong enough to attack ADSs, what's their role? What could they attack? Infantry is difficult when you're constantly strafing, and the only vehicle plausible to attack might be an LAV.
Every time I hear some say they will be op all I hear is them saying, "They will kill things and i fear them so don't put them in." No one ever complains about a tank killing a jeep or a jeep not being able to kill a tank.
Also, Dropships do have defense armor and sheild tanking. Even though I deplore the mechanic its there. Also dropships can manuver through cover and hover and would be able to go under things while a jet might wiz over. If jets can go vetol it will just be take off and hovering would be more dangrous for them because hovering is not how they are intended to be used and doing it all the time would be dangrous.
Having said that, ITS A ******* JET. IT WOULD BE DOING ITS JOB, it could still be counter by another jet and it would still be suseptable to missles and rail gun weaponry like the forge gun. Unless jets can see every person on the ground they wont be able to see anyone targeting them on the ground.
No one really thinks about this stuff. They're just to afriad of the possiablity so they say keep it out. |
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Posted - 2014.04.09 02:40:00 -
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[/quote] Helicopters can kill why not Dropships
Dropships=Helicopter[/quote]
Banges head on table.
Never said dropships couldn't kill....never said that. I just mean jets would serve the air domance role more effectively. A helicopter can kill yes, but its not a jet. U call in a jet when you need to put men on a building and provide some support. U bring in a jey when you want that building wiped off the face of the earth. Jets in dust would never be able to do this. My point is that one is a support tool, no matter how hard you can fly it will always be desgined for that, the other is designed for speed and damge. Both have streagths and wwakenss.
Jet weakenss
Can really fight in urban area no provide very close air support. Nore can it carry a grooup of men into a fight.
Chopper weakness
Can hover and land in tight areas and provide close ground support.
I hope people get what I'm saying. |
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