DUST Search - Gearing up for Conquest

Evolution-7 wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

So with 1.8 being the most popular update for a long time. I thought prehaps it would be a good idea to start considering the feasibility of conquest matches. As many of you may/may not know, most of the maps are only 1/25 of their maximum size.

Conquest matches are supposed to be massive however, what about the logistics?
We are supposed to have things like bombers and fighters, globemasters with 2 full squads on them. Artillery turrets for tanks, all of that kind of thing.

So what about the MCC's surely they are gonna have to be bigger?
What about the fighters where will they take off from?

Will MCC's have runways, or valkariy esque launch tunnels?
Will MCC's be able to move? provide ground support to friendly troops?

How many people will be required to operate it?
What about Communication, Squad Commands, organization, will that all be run from the MCC?
What about the MCC will we be able to own our own ones? Will we be able to out fit them ourselves as corporations?

Will the goal of conquest even be to destroy the MCC?
How long will they survive?

VTOL fighters and multiple moving MCCs.

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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2391	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:06:00 - [1] - Quote So with 1.8 being the most popular update for a long time. I thought prehaps it would be a good idea to start considering the feasibility of conquest matches. As many of you may/may not know, most of the maps are only 1/25 of their maximum size. Conquest matches are supposed to be massive however, what about the logistics? We are supposed to have things like bombers and fighters, globemasters with 2 full squads on them. Artillery turrets for tanks, all of that kind of thing. So what about the MCC's surely they are gonna have to be bigger? What about the fighters where will they take off from? Will MCC's have runways, or valkariy esque launch tunnels? Will MCC's be able to move? provide ground support to friendly troops? How many people will be required to operate it? What about Communication, Squad Commands, organization, will that all be run from the MCC? What about the MCC will we be able to own our own ones? Will we be able to out fit them ourselves as corporations? Will the goal of conquest even be to destroy the MCC? How long will they survive? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 960	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:08:00 - [2] - Quote Fix the game before dreaming big. Redberries
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 700	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:10:00 - [3] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Fix the game before dreaming big. Agreed, there are too many things to be fixed but we also need things to keep the game entertaining. Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2392	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:19:00 - [4] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Fix the game before dreaming big. There is a lot less that needs fixing now then before, also would you rather spend all day whining about things? Or potentially give CCP something to work with so tney don't release more stuff that's broken? It's a valid point about a gamemode that has been rumored to be under development. I want to know what people think? Should the MCC be bigger for these kind of gamemodes? How do we facilitate the user of fighter aircraft which mau/may not have V/STOL capabilities? How does having an MCC nearby assist/support the team? Or do you just move it around to get shot less? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4666	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:22:00 - [5] - Quote da GAND wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Fix the game before dreaming big. Agreed, there are too many things to be fixed but we also need things to keep the game entertaining. Such as? Seems ready to me. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7950	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:26:00 - [6] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: da GAND wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Fix the game before dreaming big. Agreed, there are too many things to be fixed but we also need things to keep the game entertaining. Such as? Seems ready to me. Thank you. Game is pretty good right now, people are grossly overexaggerating how much improvement the core gameplay needs. I say it's time to start adding meaningful content to the game. Amarr are the good guys.
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 494	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:46:00 - [7] - Quote Ahh I remember the days when the mcc used to move, and if I am correct the fighters are like VTOLS so runways need not apply closed beta Vet "When in doubt, C-4"
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2396	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:52:00 - [8] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Ahh I remember the days when the mcc used to move, and if I am correct the fighters are like VTOLS so runways need not apply I though they might be, but bombers as well? And what about GlobeMasters? Even if none of them REQUIRE a Runway, are you really just gonna call in an expensive fighter jet with very little tank at ground level, where tanks and lavs and remote explosives can get to them? Also if not a Runway, "Helicopter Pads" Even then Imagine a Minmatar MCC with runway across it's roof or Caldari MCC with an Interior Runway and a Hamger Hatch. It's as much about the FEEL as the ability. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 702	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:53:00 - [9] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: da GAND wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Fix the game before dreaming big. Agreed, there are too many things to be fixed but we also need things to keep the game entertaining. Such as? Seems ready to me. Not having the core skills when you spawn, still fked up terrain, things not rendering st certain distances, oh and sometimes awful lag. Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
Evolution-7 The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 427	Posted - 2014.04.06 19:22:00 - [10] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: So with 1.8 being the most popular update for a long time. I thought prehaps it would be a good idea to start considering the feasibility of conquest matches. As many of you may/may not know, most of the maps are only 1/25 of their maximum size. Conquest matches are supposed to be massive however, what about the logistics? We are supposed to have things like bombers and fighters, globemasters with 2 full squads on them. Artillery turrets for tanks, all of that kind of thing. So what about the MCC's surely they are gonna have to be bigger? What about the fighters where will they take off from? Will MCC's have runways, or valkariy esque launch tunnels? Will MCC's be able to move? provide ground support to friendly troops? How many people will be required to operate it? What about Communication, Squad Commands, organization, will that all be run from the MCC? What about the MCC will we be able to own our own ones? Will we be able to out fit them ourselves as corporations? Will the goal of conquest even be to destroy the MCC? How long will they survive? VTOL fighters and multiple moving MCCs. Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2399	Posted - 2014.04.06 19:40:00 - [11] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So with 1.8 being the most popular update for a long time. I thought prehaps it would be a good idea to start considering the feasibility of conquest matches. As many of you may/may not know, most of the maps are only 1/25 of their maximum size. Conquest matches are supposed to be massive however, what about the logistics? We are supposed to have things like bombers and fighters, globemasters with 2 full squads on them. Artillery turrets for tanks, all of that kind of thing. So what about the MCC's surely they are gonna have to be bigger? What about the fighters where will they take off from? Will MCC's have runways, or valkariy esque launch tunnels? Will MCC's be able to move? provide ground support to friendly troops? How many people will be required to operate it? What about Communication, Squad Commands, organization, will that all be run from the MCC? What about the MCC will we be able to own our own ones? Will we be able to out fit them ourselves as corporations? Will the goal of conquest even be to destroy the MCC? How long will they survive? VTOL fighters and multiple moving MCCs. Multiple MCC's so how do you win, when you blow them all up? How are they are targeted? What benifits would each MCC provide? Which one is the commander in? Is there only one commander? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7955	Posted - 2014.04.06 19:49:00 - [12] - Quote Something perhaps important to note is back when CCP Logicloop was still around he was discussing the possibility of redesigning the MCC's because they are too small. Perhaps that is partially why we haven't seen Amarr or Minmatar MCC's implemented yet - as well as the fact that the MCCs currently are part of the actual map (ever notice how the Gallente and Caldari MCC are always on the same side, even in FW), so having Amarr and Minmatar MCC's would require them to have a copy of every single map. There would really have to be a fairly large update around MCC's. For one, making them objects that occupy a map rather than part of the map, and from there we can start seeing them move again. Also likely bigger revisions of the MCCs and hopefully with more internal spaces (and maybe coming close to something like Titan mode in BF2142). Further out I can see multiple MCCs per team as well as perhaps different classes of MCCs, ranging from the small class we have currently to really large classes. Amarr are the good guys.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2400	Posted - 2014.04.06 19:55:00 - [13] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Something perhaps important to note is back when CCP Logicloop was still around he was discussing the possibility of redesigning the MCC's because they are too small. Perhaps that is partially why we haven't seen Amarr or Minmatar MCC's implemented yet - as well as the fact that the MCCs currently are part of the actual map (ever notice how the Gallente and Caldari MCC are always on the same side, even in FW), so having Amarr and Minmatar MCC's would require them to have a copy of every single map. There would really have to be a fairly large update around MCC's. For one, making them objects that occupy a map rather than part of the map, and from there we can start seeing them move again. Also likely bigger revisions of the MCCs and hopefully with more internal spaces (and maybe coming close to something like Titan mode in BF2142). Further out I can see multiple MCCs per team as well as perhaps different classes of MCCs, ranging from the small class we have currently to really large classes. Yes, Indeed. However the MCC's are important to immersion, especially for people like yourself, and adds to the general polish for the game. It would make sense for the MCC's to be much larger, especially considering the amount of capability they are meant to have. Also imagine a 128 v 128 match where over 100 people spawn in the MCC, it'll be like sardines. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7958	Posted - 2014.04.06 19:57:00 - [14] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snip Yes, Indeed. However the MCC's are important to immersion, especially for people like yourself, and adds to the general polish for the game. It would make sense for the MCC's to be much larger, especially considering the amount of capability they are meant to have. Also imagine a 128 v 128 match where over 100 people spawn in the MCC, it'll be like sardines. Stop acting like you know me and what is important to me! Though you're absolutely right, little things like this add a lot to the immersion and are really important to me Amarr are the good guys.
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4668	Posted - 2014.04.06 19:58:00 - [15] - Quote da GAND wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: da GAND wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Fix the game before dreaming big. Agreed, there are too many things to be fixed but we also need things to keep the game entertaining. Such as? Seems ready to me. Not having the core skills when you spawn, still fked up terrain, things not rendering st certain distances, oh and sometimes awful lag. 1. Minor issue that has nothing to do with anything, and will likely get fixed next update 2. That's not really an issue 3. My internet connection is pure **** and I don't get lag I'm from the weird side of the internet
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2403	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:12:00 - [16] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snip Yes, Indeed. However the MCC's are important to immersion, especially for people like yourself, and adds to the general polish for the game. It would make sense for the MCC's to be much larger, especially considering the amount of capability they are meant to have. Also imagine a 128 v 128 match where over 100 people spawn in the MCC, it'll be like sardines. Stop acting like you know me and what is important to me! Though you're absolutely right, little things like this add a lot to the immersion and are really important to me I know what you like Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Kn1qht Lords Prophets 46	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:25:00 - [17] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Fix the game before dreaming big. A$AP CUZ THIRDEYE \| PROPHET OR LEAVE \| BEAST COAST antigov
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2414	Posted - 2014.04.07 10:57:00 - [18] - Quote Bumping for discussion during a more active time on the forums. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 561	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:26:00 - [19] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: [quote=Sev Alcatraz] Also if not a Runway, "Helicopter Pads" The cool thing is, we already have those (; "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2416	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:35:00 - [20] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: [quote=Sev Alcatraz] Also if not a Runway, "Helicopter Pads" The cool thing is, we already have those (; We do indeed, but not on the MCC I'm wondering if the MCC should be as much a forward staging area as it is a place to hold the commander. As Aero suggested if people are gonna be trying to make incursions on these things we need a lot more than just a single room with a hole in the floor. We need it to feel like these things are intergral to our opponents offense/defense, that these things are utilised. I already Assume these MCC's will have Air to Surface weapon banks, so that having an MCC above you is like close Air Ground Support instead of just another place to spawn. What about the benifits of incursion? Will you be able to disable tacnet? Retarget those weapon banks I just mentioned, hack drones to attack the MCC crew? How many will crew an MCC, just one commamder? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.

BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 764	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:48:00 - [21] - Quote old privet days MCC was more of a moving back ground that would slowly move to a docking zone at the end of the 2nd part of the map. how the maps should be for PC . Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2417	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:52:00 - [22] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: old privet days MCC was more of a moving back ground that would slowly move to a docking zone at the end of the 2nd part of the map. how the maps should be for PC . PC should be a Conquest Match, in reality. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5014	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:15:00 - [23] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Ahh I remember the days when the mcc used to move, and if I am correct the fighters are like VTOLS so runways need not apply Yeah, there could just be a platform on the back or top that you take off from straight up. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 965	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:37:00 - [24] - Quote Bigger maps? Redberries
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2419	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:37:00 - [25] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Ahh I remember the days when the mcc used to move, and if I am correct the fighters are like VTOLS so runways need not apply Yeah, there could just be a platform on the back or top that you take off from straight up. Yeah precisely, also facilitates incursions, better gameplay. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5018	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:39:00 - [26] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Ahh I remember the days when the mcc used to move, and if I am correct the fighters are like VTOLS so runways need not apply Yeah, there could just be a platform on the back or top that you take off from straight up. Yeah precisely, also facilitates incursions, better gameplay. Exactly, just like Titan mode in Battlefield 2142, which this game used to rather strongly resemble. I want that resemblance back. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2422	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:41:00 - [27] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Bigger maps? You know the border gulch, fractured road and Ashlands maps, the ones released in 1.4. They are all on the same battlescape a massive 5x5km map. You can even see the maps from each other. Evemtualy we will be able to play across the whole 5x5km at a time. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 764	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:44:00 - [28] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: old privet days MCC was more of a moving back ground that would slowly move to a docking zone at the end of the 2nd part of the map. how the maps should be for PC . PC should be a Conquest Match, in reality. O YesYesYesYesYesYesYes....Yes x9000 Yes alot of the PC now is way to much like a pub game and do,s not even uses the rest of the map. when i dream of PC i think of 4 - 6 teams all in the same map at the same time in there own battle and the out come is base off of numbers and movement of troops from one battle zone to help the next one on a big map where you can pick where and how to take over or defend . Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 386	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:52:00 - [29] - Quote The Red Zone should be replaced by mobile MCCs, and like BF2142, they should have some regenerating manable turrets (to suppress spawn campers). There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2422	Posted - 2014.04.07 13:05:00 - [30] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Ahh I remember the days when the mcc used to move, and if I am correct the fighters are like VTOLS so runways need not apply Yeah, there could just be a platform on the back or top that you take off from straight up. Yeah precisely, also facilitates incursions, better gameplay. Exactly, just like Titan mode in Battlefield 2142, which this game used to rather strongly resemble. I want that resemblance back. Of course but within reason we still need to be unique. The way I see it, we have multiple staging areas on MCC's one for infantry, ground vehicles and aerial vehicles. Allow you to spawn in, in safety, to call in vehicles without having to worry about some blueberry jumping in. I imagine tne Infantry staging area to be filled with supply depots and MTAC holsters. With banks of drop zones for hundreds of people to drop out of at a time. I imagine the Ground Vehicle Staging Area to filled with gantries suspended over individual drop zones, you select your vehicle from a console and its constructed on the relevant platform, get in and press square, you and whoever is in your vehicle is dropped like a tonne bricks. I imagine the Aerial Vehicle Staging Area to be hive of activity, soilders running towards dropships and HTAVs, fighters launching AA guns firing off at enemy bombers. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.



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