DUST Search - Is this scout fit OP?

Jackof All-Trades wrote:

I'm genuinely curious. Did a bit of testing today, and it was exciting. The fit goes as follows:

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/725/3228

2x Complex Shield Extenders
2x Complex Kinetic Catalyzers
2x Basic Cardiac Regulators
1x ARN Cloak Field
CreoDron Shotgun
CAR-9 Burst Scrambler Pistol

First of all, apologies to everyone who had to feel the pain of me testing out my fits (lots of prototype=protostomping).
In my defence, I wasn't in a squad.

Anyway, despite all that, I'm curious - does anyone think this is OP? It's certainly not brick-tanking, yet I am using the CreoDron shotgun with a cloak - the combination that has deemed to be the biggest sin of today's FoTM. However, I have died to all manners of things when my aim was off that one time and my 233 shields drop in half a second, and my 156 armour is pulverised in less. Also, no scanning modules = not much visibility. Many times heavies have snuck up on me out of all things (somehow?).

If it isn't, I'm certainly making an advanced fitting of this, because it is fun as hell... (Also confirms the true scout's suspicions that it is brick tanking that is FoTM, not cloak)

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Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 550	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:20:00 - [1] - Quote I'm genuinely curious. Did a bit of testing today, and it was exciting. The fit goes as follows: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/725/3228 2x Complex Shield Extenders 2x Complex Kinetic Catalyzers 2x Basic Cardiac Regulators 1x ARN Cloak Field CreoDron Shotgun CAR-9 Burst Scrambler Pistol First of all, apologies to everyone who had to feel the pain of me testing out my fits (lots of prototype=protostomping). In my defence, I wasn't in a squad. Anyway, despite all that, I'm curious - does anyone think this is OP? It's certainly not brick-tanking, yet I am using the CreoDron shotgun with a cloak - the combination that has deemed to be the biggest sin of today's FoTM. However, I have died to all manners of things when my aim was off that one time and my 233 shields drop in half a second, and my 156 armour is pulverised in less. Also, no scanning modules = not much visibility. Many times heavies have snuck up on me out of all things (somehow?). If it isn't, I'm certainly making an advanced fitting of this, because it is fun as hell... (Also confirms the true scout's suspicions that it is brick tanking that is FoTM, not cloak) "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 1144	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:22:00 - [2] - Quote Shotgun might be considered OP when paired with the cloak. But since you aren't stacking health and are using mods that help you scout better, I would say no. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Marc Rime 363	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:28:00 - [3] - Quote The mere fact that you can even ask that question regarding a proto suit with that low EHP suggests that OP no longer means "over powered", but rather something along the lines of "anything that killed me".
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 551	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:35:00 - [4] - Quote I would assume that Overpowered means something that works too effectively in the current game that makes other roles seemingly unneeded. I have been doing really well in these suits, Getting 18/1 and 20/2 in a few games off the top of my head. I was merely curious to see if it would be enough to be considered OP. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2610	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:36:00 - [5] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: The mere fact that you can even ask that question regarding a proto suit with that low EHP suggests that OP no longer means "over powered", but rather something along the lines of "anything that killed me". Why does EHP = OP? OP, to me, is one of a few things: doing another role's jobs better than it can (bricked scout vs assault) while maintaining its own (Bricked scout still has far superior EWAR stats to Assault that assault cannon match), attacking in such a way as to avoid retaliation through range or damage, while sacrificing little otherwise (RR's range + its duplication of AR's other stats, and Shotgun+Cloak's instagib) or sheer unassailability (CalLogi, GalLogi, 1.7 HAVs). This fitting could certainly be considered OP. Another excellent example? Scouts in 1.0. Untouchable for no reason other than SP and bugs. 350EHP or less. ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12065	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:43:00 - [6] - Quote I would drop a cardiac regulator for a range amp, personally. Also, no. I don't think that's an FotM fit. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2011	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:47:00 - [7] - Quote That second Cardiac Regulator doesn't seem very effective to me. You could trade that out for a range amplifier if you're avoiding use of armor plates for a stronger Med-frame hunter, Or remove the second cardiac regulator and you got yourself an ADV fit :p Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
aden slayer Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 600	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:53:00 - [8] - Quote Your fitting is good in terms of speed and shields. But your lack of armor repairers or plates is worrying as your shields might easily get mowed down by a Advance rail or scrambler rifle. My advise is to use this fit as a hit and run CQC Situation because if multiple enemies spot you while you are visible and you are in range of their guns, you don't really stand chance.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2688	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:36:00 - [9] - Quote lol you gonna fall over dead faster then you can look. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK 234	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:43:00 - [10] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: I'm genuinely curious. Did a bit of testing today, and it was exciting. The fit goes as follows: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/725/3228 2x Complex Shield Extenders 2x Complex Kinetic Catalyzers 2x Basic Cardiac Regulators 1x ARN Cloak Field CreoDron Shotgun CAR-9 Burst Scrambler Pistol First of all, apologies to everyone who had to feel the pain of me testing out my fits (lots of prototype=protostomping). In my defence, I wasn't in a squad. Anyway, despite all that, I'm curious - does anyone think this is OP? It's certainly not brick-tanking, yet I am using the CreoDron shotgun with a cloak - the combination that has deemed to be the biggest sin of today's FoTM. However, I have died to all manners of things when my aim was off that one time and my 233 shields drop in half a second, and my 156 armour is pulverised in less. Also, no scanning modules = not much visibility. Many times heavies have snuck up on me out of all things (somehow?). If it isn't, I'm certainly making an advanced fitting of this, because it is fun as hell... (Also confirms the true scout's suspicions that it is brick tanking that is FoTM, not cloak) I remember being in a match with you yesterday, you were literally all I saw on the kill feed.. but who cares if it's "Op" if it's useful... I like to go for a bit tankier fit Scout Gk.o X2 Advanced Precision enhancers Creodron shotgun M209 Assault Smg M1 locus Cloak field Remote explosives X2 complex ferroscale plates X2 enhanced kinetic catalyzers (don't have complex yet) CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9 Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1031	Posted - 2014.04.06 13:30:00 - [11] - Quote I do not know if any particular fit with the Scout can be considered OP because it has a counter. You can have all the HP in the world but if the Caldari Scout can see you through cloak, they will beat you if they get the drop. The Brick Tank is better in scenarios where it is caught outside of stealth. That fit is going to be fast and run a huge distance. It would probably be great in Skirmish running in between the outside points and causing the enemy havoc by pulling their troops back and forth. Hit D sprint to E, run back to E and kill the one dude that comes to take it back. I have done the same thing in a basic Assault suit before: one dude tying up an entire squad. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 571	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:00:00 - [12] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I do not know if any particular fit with the Scout can be considered OP because it has a counter. You can have all the HP in the world but if the Caldari Scout can see you through cloak, they will beat you if they get the drop. The Brick Tank is better in scenarios where it is caught outside of stealth. That fit is going to be fast and run a huge distance. It would probably be great in Skirmish running in between the outside points and causing the enemy havoc by pulling their troops back and forth. Hit D sprint to E, run back to E and kill the one dude that comes to take it back. I have done the same thing in a basic Assault suit before: one dude tying up an entire squad. This is more or less how I like to play with my logi, using scout modules and cloaks. The logi really is a jack of all trades and running this fit is just fun, and even though a scout does the job better than I do, I get more hp and another equipment slot on top tor those stealth revives and reps.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 2099	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:20:00 - [13] - Quote Biotic Scout, Beware! If anyone shoots in your direction, your speed will be stripped away! Your fit looks fun, but not OP. Would highly recommend trading a CardReg for a Damp.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 238	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:25:00 - [14] - Quote I'd put some kind of precision enhancement on there or you're not going to find other scouts.
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 552	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:25:00 - [15] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I'd put some kind of precision enhancement on there or you're not going to find other scouts. Unless they come up behind me, I can usually spot the cloak-ripple with fair degrees of accuracy. What I like about the speed fit is that it discourages me from relying on my cloak as much as I have been of late. Anyway, thanks for the feedback, guys. The reason I don't have many scanning modules is that I'm still in the process of skilling into them. Being the Jack of all trades can be a real SP sink sometimes. But I didn't expect to get some feedback on my actual fit, so that's definitely a plus Now that's sorted, I'll be working on an advanced fitting... Might have to use enhanced kinetics but should definitely be fun. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4870	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:31:00 - [16] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: I'm genuinely curious. Did a bit of testing today, and it was exciting. The fit goes as follows: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/725/3228 2x Complex Shield Extenders 2x Complex Kinetic Catalyzers 2x Basic Cardiac Regulators 1x ARN Cloak Field CreoDron Shotgun CAR-9 Burst Scrambler Pistol First of all, apologies to everyone who had to feel the pain of me testing out my fits (lots of prototype=protostomping). In my defence, I wasn't in a squad. Anyway, despite all that, I'm curious - does anyone think this is OP? It's certainly not brick-tanking, yet I am using the CreoDron shotgun with a cloak - the combination that has deemed to be the biggest sin of today's FoTM. However, I have died to all manners of things when my aim was off that one time and my 233 shields drop in half a second, and my 156 armour is pulverised in less. Also, no scanning modules = not much visibility. Many times heavies have snuck up on me out of all things (somehow?). If it isn't, I'm certainly making an advanced fitting of this, because it is fun as hell... (Also confirms the true scout's suspicions that it is brick tanking that is FoTM, not cloak) I dont think so. My ''Speed demon'' Fit ggoes like this: 3 Complex Kin cats 1 Complex Range AMp or Comp Profile Damp (depending on enemies) 1 Complex Shield Ext 1 Complex Precision ENH 1 Shotgun or MAss Driver 1 SMG 1 Contact Grenades 1 Cloak Works pretty well considering the 160 shields and 160 armor i have. Sprt speed is around 10.7 if im not mistaken. Due to the CLOAK, i avoid using the Green flasks since i can cloak, regen stamina , and move on. Speed and radar range are a little more crucial at the time of battle. On your fit. No, its not Op. Looks fun. But you are not using not Dampening modules, nor Radar Range modules. SO i dont really understand why you just didnt go ith Minmatar Scout ,if you were aiming for Speed or Caldari Scout if you were aiming for Shield tank.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2410	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:31:00 - [17] - Quote Well you have ~200 EHP less than My Minnie Assault but considerably more speed and stamina +cloak Do with that information what you will. I would hower, drop 1 extender for a precesion enhancer, 1 green for a plate, 1 red for an amplification and see if you can squeeze some equipment in their too, uplinks would probably be preferably, that should proably allow you to make up for the weaknesses with your current fit. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Patrick57 6747	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:36:00 - [18] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Why does EHP = OP? Imagine Logi suits with Rail Rifles, with three Damage Mods, stacked Armor Plates, and as much Armor and Shield base HP as a Gallente Sentinel. Is that not OP?
DISGRUNTLEDev 351	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:45:00 - [19] - Quote Three reds, one green, all complex, is my fitting for speed demon. Sprinting for over a minute with a 10 sec recharge on stamina is great for getting around. And moving at ~10.5 m/s garners plenty of hate. I usually put a complex precision in the highs so you can pick up other scouts because with only around 300 eHp and a shotgun, you have to pick your battles.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4870	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:45:00 - [20] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Why does EHP = OP? Imagine Logi suits with Rail Rifles, with three Damage Mods, stacked Armor Plates, and as much Armor and Shield base HP as a Gallente Sentinel. Is that not OP? 450-600 EHP is hardly Sentinel level HP. BTW ,werent those Logis, ALL players pre 1.7 ? Whom -+ of them now are playing scouts because they are FOTM hunting pieces of ****? :3 Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4870	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:46:00 - [21] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: Three reds, one green, all complex, is my fitting for speed demon. Sprinting for over a minute with a 10 sec recharge on stamina is great for getting around. And moving at ~10.5 m/s garners plenty of hate. I usually put a complex precision in the highs so you can pick up other scouts because with only around 300 eHp and a shotgun, you have to pick your battles. So your fit is practically EQUAL to mine excpet the Green flask is replaced by a Range Amp! HAHA and of course i dont use the Shotgun as my main, im not as skilled as you with it.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2170	Posted - 2014.04.06 22:14:00 - [22] - Quote Definitely not OP. Maybe you're just a good scout. A Fotm Fit would be Ferroscale x2 kin cat Profile damp 2x complex shield ext cloak Shotgun / ACR / CR -#Firmocosìperchènonhopersonalità
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 553	Posted - 2014.04.06 22:45:00 - [23] - Quote On the note of OP: 2x Complex Shield Extender 2x Enhanced Armour Mods 1x Complex Armour Rep 1x Complex Kinetic Catalyzer You run faster than you do usually, have about 600EHP, and have plenty of fitting space to fit cloaks and weapon (on another note, has more HP and speed and less fitting costs than full ferroscales in lows). "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 1168	Posted - 2014.04.06 22:52:00 - [24] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: I would assume that Overpowered means something that works too effectively in the current game that makes other roles seemingly unneeded. I have been doing really well in these suits, Getting 18/1 and 20/2 in a few games off the top of my head. I was merely curious to see if it would be enough to be considered OP. note-youre in a proto suit. those scores aren't very good for being in a proto suit Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:20:00 - [25] - Quote Personally, I'm of the mind that being able to see everyone on the map and be completely invisible to everyone at the same time is currently more useful than being super fast. Especially considering weapons fire locks you in place no matter how fast you are(insert RAGEGäó here). To that end: 2x Complex Precision Enhancers 2x Complex Dampeners 2x Complex Range Amplifiers Proto Shotty Breach ScP or Bolt Pistol Proto Cloak
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 553	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:25:00 - [26] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: I would assume that Overpowered means something that works too effectively in the current game that makes other roles seemingly unneeded. I have been doing really well in these suits, Getting 18/1 and 20/2 in a few games off the top of my head. I was merely curious to see if it would be enough to be considered OP. note-youre in a proto suit. those scores aren't very good for being in a proto suit If you make ISK profit, I consider it a good game. I made ~300K each of those matches, so thats well in the profit range (each suit costs 110K) "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4873	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:37:00 - [27] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: I would assume that Overpowered means something that works too effectively in the current game that makes other roles seemingly unneeded. I have been doing really well in these suits, Getting 18/1 and 20/2 in a few games off the top of my head. I was merely curious to see if it would be enough to be considered OP. note-youre in a proto suit. those scores aren't very good for being in a proto suit Its a Proto SCOUT suit. SCOUT, not assault. As a scout,You win when you have a low amount of deaths and yet you managed to effectively disturb enemy advances/equipment/defenses/vehicles,etc.... IMO, the amount of kills is completely dependent on enemy behavior. Sometimes i get the same kills with my ADV or STD suit than my proto one. lets say i go 30-9 with a STD one. 30 - 5 with my ADV one , and 30-1 with my proto one. The difference is there. Its profit. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Tectonic Fusion 1426	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:47:00 - [28] - Quote I think my fit is more OP 'Dragonfly' Scout 1 Complex Shield Extender 2 Basic Armor Plates 1 Militia CPU Upgrade Credon Shotgun M209 Assault Submachine Gun Basic Flux Grenades Compact Nanohive Solo Player Squad status: Locked
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4877	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:50:00 - [29] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: I think my fit is more OP 'Dragonfly' Scout 1 Complex Shield Extender 2 Basic Armor Plates 1 Militia CPU Upgrade Credon Shotgun M209 Assault Submachine Gun Basic Flux Grenades Compact Nanohive Tanked scout.ewwwwwww ;) Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 554	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:58:00 - [30] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: I think my fit is more OP 'Dragonfly' Scout 1 Complex Shield Extender 2 Basic Armor Plates 1 Militia CPU Upgrade Credon Shotgun M209 Assault Submachine Gun Basic Flux Grenades Compact Nanohive Yet despite the brick tanking and proto shotgun, you lack a cloak. Interesting dynamics, how certain things can be OP and others shouldn't be. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2629	Posted - 2014.04.07 01:21:00 - [31] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Why does EHP = OP? Imagine Logi suits with Rail Rifles, with three Damage Mods, stacked Armor Plates, and as much Armor and Shield base HP as a Gallente Sentinel. Is that not OP? Did you not read what I wrote? ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien


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