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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4858
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:20:00 -
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So, we are still pretty early into 1.8 and OF COURSE , the new equipment dictates the new FOTM, same as when the A.Scanner came out, only Sentinels wouldn't run them....
But still ,many of the best Scouts are still old school scouts. Im not an old school vet,but i have been a chromo scout so i've been around for a while too, and except for those full proto scouts with proto shotguns 600+EHP tanked ''newbie scouts'' (probably FOTM chasers that were playing med frames in 1.7), killing other scouts come relatively easy.
Now, to the thread. This thread is with the purpose of OLD and NEW scouts to post their fittings so others can RANK it and give their opinions on what to change or give ideas on what to improve.
I'll start with my OWN fit and i'll of course, will be accepting critiques and ideas on how to improve it.
I must note i HAve the following skills that are related to my trade:
Profile Dampening 5
Radar Range 5
Scan Precision 5
Biotics & Kinetics 5
Shotguns 4
SMG's (Everything @ ) 5
Grenadier 5
Armor and shields at 5
PG and CPU at 5
GAL SCOUTS 5
Now my most used fitting goes something like:
Arch-Demon
H:
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Precision Enhancer
L:
x2 Complex Kinetic Catalizer
Complex Range Amplifier
Complex Profile DAmpener
G:
Thukker Contact Grenades
Light & Sidearm:
Ishuk Assault SMG
Toxin SMG
E:
Adv Cloak
Compact Nanos
This version of my Gk.0 i Use powerful E-war modules next to some Speed augmentation and cloak to increase my chances of detecting enemies at further ranges while avoiding detection. Mostly used as a fast flanker, this fit also has one variation with 1 Cx Kinetic Cat replaced by a Reactive plate for more ''defensive'' (AKA camping) loadout. Also , while cloaked (and even without cloak) detection with scanners is almost impossible.The Contact grenade is a ''Wild Joker Card''. Letting me 1HKO other dangerous scouts (or at least leave them near death) and take down the shields of shield tanked enemies or Heavy Frames,to then proceed to annihilate their armor with my ISHIK SMG.
Any Scout fits here will be discussed by myself and other interested scouts of different levels of experience.
Feel free to also comment on my Fit.
TY for your time.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4858
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:27:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:I say, strap some C4 on the front of your scouts, run them out really far and paint the background red D:<
Aw, c'mon, no need for the salty comments my friend.
This a research thread :3
Plus i dont use R/E.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4858
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:27:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Cloak + Shotgun is all you need.
The SMG is more effective while taking out Scouts IMO, which are my main targets.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:53:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:@OP, you only need an Enhanced Profile Dampener. The Complex does nothing for you other than take up some extra CPU and add to the cost.
A single Complex Precision Enhancer is only going to pick up non-cloaked, non-dampened scouts. It also won't pic up doubled Dampened Medium Frames, if anyone still runs those. I don't find it useful at all on a Gal-Scout even with 2.
You do have a point. But thats exactly what im looking for. Heavies,Commandos, Assaults ( i truly dont know ANYONE who double damps their med frame, except me pre 1.8)logis...The Precision enhancer is so i can detect level 5 passive Dampened med frames mostly with maybe a dampener on.... Even if this is an ANTI scout fit, i NEED To know where the heavier enemies are to deal at my own pace with my cloaked bros.
PLUS, i really have CPU and PG to spare. E-war modules are pretty cheap to fit.
But then what are you implying; i should run then 2 Cx Precision enh? because i would.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:55:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Scout A/1 Series
CRW-4 scrambler rifle
Ion Pistol
Flux Grenade
Basic Cloak Field
Stable Drop Uplink
Basic Light Damage Mod
Basic Shield Energizer (takes off 1 hp, lol)
Enhanced Armor Rep
Basic Kinetic Catylizer
Basic Codebreaker
My AK.0 is similar, but with upgraded stuff, a boundless CBR, advanced SMG, and an enhanced profile dampener.
May i ask why do you pack SO MUCH weaponry thats effective vs shields?...or...
BTW i truly dont have anything to say about the amarr scout.... i dont really want to know anything about that piece of...
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:56:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Might as well.
Advanced Gal
Adv Ion pistol
Adv Scram Pistol
Adv Locus grenade
2 Adv precision enhancers
3 Adv range amplifiers
Adv Cloak
Adv Droplink
Advanced Gal
Adv Laser Rifle
Adv Smg
2 Adv Shield Extenders
2 Adv Ferroscales
1 Adv Profile Dampener
Adv Nanite Injector
Adv Repair tool.
I may be off by a module or two, but that's more or less it.
I tried the Laser rifle as a ''side weapon'' but i didnt do too god with it. I simply LOVE the 1st fit BTW(The one with double pistols). I would change a Range amplifier for a kin cat thou, but thats just me that i cant live without some speed... :3
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.06 00:07:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Yeah the precision mod isn't going to help you much, and a second one would gimp your fit.
If you're running Gallente, focus on hiding from your opponents and being able to run faster than them (dual sprint mods is good). Even though you might not be able to detect them at least they shouldn't be able to find you.
Frost Kitty is an amazing scout, able to get 40-50 kills in a match easily even without a shotgun. He focuses on surviability, and flanking speed from what he's told me.
HAHAAH talking about Frosty Kitty, my GF called me at work told me Frosty Kitty made her Rage quit a game XD (she uses my account sometimes while im at work, but never uses my Proto stuff...) (THAT I KNOW OF)
Anyhow. Funny i thought Frosty kitty used to play Med frames with Combat Rifles pre 1.8. I dont know i've only played him once in my life while i was with Swenla and cat lady vs 4 of his boys...great match.
How would a second Precision Enhancer would GIMP my suit?
I dont depend on EHP for survival.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.06 00:08:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:@OP, you only need an Enhanced Profile Dampener. The Complex does nothing for you other than take up some extra CPU and add to the cost.
A single Complex Precision Enhancer is only going to pick up non-cloaked, non-dampened scouts. It also won't pic up doubled Dampened Medium Frames, if anyone still runs those. I don't find it useful at all on a Gal-Scout even with 2. You do have a point. But thats exactly what im looking for. Heavies,Commandos, Assaults ( i truly dont know ANYONE who double damps their med frame, except me pre 1.8)logis...The Precision enhancer is so i can detect level 5 passive Dampened med frames mostly with maybe a dampener on.... Even if this is an ANTI scout fit, i NEED To know where the heavier enemies are to deal at my own pace with my cloaked bros.PLUS, i really have CPU and PG to spare. E-war modules are pretty cheap to fit. But then what are you implying; i should run then 2 Cx Precision enh? because i would. Your innate 40dB scan precision, 36 if you've got the skill to level 5, will scan the medium and heavy frames regardless. The second one is useless until/unless Precision Enhancers get buffed to -25% when looking for scouts. You're better off with e shield or damage mod in the second High Slot.
Thats a more detailed explanation. +1
Im guessing i was wrong. ..
But i dont believe in scout eHP tanking and i;ve never used damage mods... : |
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.06 00:57:00 -
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People use scouts pretty different i see....
SO , WHAT options do i have if i dont want to use Shield extenders NOR damage mods on my Gk.0?
I mean ...
Im f***d?
Wouldnt 2 Cx Precision enhancers do me any good?
Should i just use the Cal Scout then? D:
Ty everyone for the posts, its really fun to see all the different scouts people use....
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.06 01:00:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Anyhow. Funny i thought Frosty kitty used to play Med frames with Combat Rifles pre 1.8. I dont know i've only played him once in my life while i was with Swenla and cat lady vs 4 of his boys...great match.
I dont depend on EHP for survival. [/b]
First thing, Frost ran Proto Gallente Scout and Gallente Assault. He'd mainly run a stacked assault with me right be hind him with a core focused and yes he ran combat rifles with that. But when I wasn't with him he'd run a creodron on a scout and die maybe 0-3 times in that fitting in 1.7 He tossed the assault for scout skills in 1.8 and still rocks it, with only about 20 million sp lifetime. (to put that in reference I have almost 40 million) Running e-war mods might make you sound like a true scout, but in reality all it sounds like is that you have to rely on your radar and passive scans in order to take on other scouts seeing as how you don't need any of those mods if you have your passives and scout skill high enough to see any other frame. He doesn't tank his suit by any means, in fact I think he actually ran damage mods in 1.7, but like I said he focuses mainly on flanking...and "survivability", which doesn't mean EHP, it means using tactics to not die as much. I think his main weakness is his focus on kdr though...
Well good for him.I actually played with him only once in my life , think he doesn't play at the same hours i do (after 1am eastern till down time)....Hes a good player, but without a fit to discuss we are wandering off topic.
:3
So , please read my previous post. IF Precision enhancers are NOT working for me, what should i use? : |
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.06 01:12:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:So are my fits any good, or are they invalid simply because they're on an Amarr scout?
Its not invalid. Its just the Amarr scout is the best fitted for what we like to call LIGHT ASSAULT.
It doesnt have speed, nor a bonus to speed.
It doesnt have any E-war advatages over other Scouts, nor a bonus to enhance them.
It doesnt have a hacking , not melee ,nor CQ bonus.
It has a rather Large hitbox IMO for a scout.
So: No EWAR, no SPEED,no CQ nor melee....
What it does have, is a LOT of stamina and more HP,thing that works better for FLANKING ASSAULT. I havnt given an opinion on your fit since:
1- I dont really know anything about fitting an amarr scout,as IMO, its not a a scout.
2-I dont know what the objective is with this scout. I know the Minnie, is melee fighter (with 120 melee damage) , Nove knifer and hacking speed.
GAl is dampening and range. Cal is pure Radar. But i dont know what to enhance in a amarr scout...
I really dont know anything about Amarr scouts, but if it was me, i would just treat it as a skinny amarr assault with cloak...
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.06 01:43:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:So are my fits any good, or are they invalid simply because they're on an Amarr scout? Its not invalid. Its just the Amarr scout is the best fitted for what we like to call LIGHT ASSAULT. It doesnt have speed, nor a bonus to speed. It doesnt have any E-war advatages over other Scouts, nor a bonus to enhance them. It doesnt have a hacking , not melee ,nor CQ bonus. It has a rather Large hitbox IMO for a scout. So: No EWAR, no SPEED,no CQ nor melee....What it does have, is a LOT of stamina and more HP,thing that works better for FLANKING ASSAULT. I havnt given an opinion on your fit since: 1- I dont really know anything about fitting an amarr scout,as IMO, its not a a scout.
2-I dont know what the objective is with this scout. I know the Minnie, is melee fighter (with 120 melee damage) , Nove knifer and hacking speed.
GAl is dampening and range. Cal is pure Radar. But i dont know what to enhance in a amarr scout...
I really dont know anything about Amarr scouts, but if it was me, i would just treat it as a skinny amarr assault with cloak... Yet when I point this out and make a thread stating the Amarr Scout is UP and generally sucks ass, everyone tells me to shut up and deal with it and it isn't UP.
And yet, i predicted this would happen BEFORE 1.8...
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Its not like the Amarr scout is BAD, but it is UP compared to other scouts since in needs to heavily invest in modules equipped to achieve a regular performance in Scout oriented features(E-war,Melee + CQ,hacking or Speed) AND it lacks the other traits that med frames have for an Assault oriented suit....
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4859
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Posted - 2014.04.06 02:19:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:So are my fits any good, or are they invalid simply because they're on an Amarr scout? Its not invalid. Its just the Amarr scout is the best fitted for what we like to call LIGHT ASSAULT. It doesnt have speed, nor a bonus to speed. It doesnt have any E-war advatages over other Scouts, nor a bonus to enhance them. It doesnt have a hacking , not melee ,nor CQ bonus. It has a rather Large hitbox IMO for a scout. So: No EWAR, no SPEED,no CQ nor melee....What it does have, is a LOT of stamina and more HP,thing that works better for FLANKING ASSAULT. I havnt given an opinion on your fit since: 1- I dont really know anything about fitting an amarr scout,as IMO, its not a a scout.
2-I dont know what the objective is with this scout. I know the Minnie, is melee fighter (with 120 melee damage) , Nove knifer and hacking speed.
GAl is dampening and range. Cal is pure Radar. But i dont know what to enhance in a amarr scout...
I really dont know anything about Amarr scouts, but if it was me, i would just treat it as a skinny amarr assault with cloak... Yet when I point this out and make a thread stating the Amarr Scout is UP and generally sucks ass, everyone tells me to shut up and deal with it and it isn't UP. And yet, i predicted this would happen BEFORE 1.8...:\ Its not like the Amarr scout is BAD, but it is UP compared to other scouts since in needs to heavily invest in modules equipped to achieve a regular performance in Scout oriented features(E-war,Melee + CQ,hacking or Speed) AND it lacks the other traits that med frames have for an Assault oriented suit.... Amarr Scouts look like birds. They should jump higher to make use of those stamina bonuses.
7% per level Jump height WAS proposed pre 1.8 by some people AND myself to go NEXT to the 5% current stamina bonus...
But got no luck with CCP...
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4860
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Posted - 2014.04.06 02:42:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:First to OP : with gk.0 ,if you have space, this goes that - with 2compx enchancers you will pick scouts (dampened mediums are meh,and lol no)that uses only 1damp or only cloak. So i suggest you to use only 1 enchancer, or if you want to try be like hunter, eqiup 2.
From me.
Ck.0 :
highs: 2compx extender and enchancers (3 for true ewar)
lows: enchanced damp and compx range amp
Proto CR/ScR+adv Magsec/ScP
eq: adv cloak+ (player choice) i use links, rep, RE.
If i played CAl, i would use it EXACTLY like you. But with double SMG's that is....
+1
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