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Thurak1
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:00:00 -
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Yep you guessed it this is a rant.
In my book scouts have gone from UP to OP in 1 patch.
Maybe its just the killing power of the shotguns up close that is so aggravating. The combination of scouts being able to cloak and now avoid visible and radar detection most of the time and being able to deliver devastating damage up close is very frustrating as a heavy. It seems in many ways too easy for a scout to kill me these days. They just wait for me to start jogging along my merry way walk up behind me aim for my head and wham 3/4 of my total hp's are gone (I have about 1200 ehps) then wham 2nd shot and i am dead. |
Thurak1
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:45:00 -
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neausea 1987 wrote:im a minmitar scout but i fell in love with my minnie heavy, *TIPS* 1.dont go on a countryside stroll in the open especially alone 2.learn to aim, alot of heavy's suck at aiming 3.never sit still (no explanation needed) 4.learn to strafe (waddle) shotguns kill in the same speedy manner before 1.8 but if you learn to move after the first blast you will notice that most shotgunners panic(too funny) so use that 5* keep your eyes peeled and let the cloaked scout make the mistake dont always give chase because you have a multi-barrel machine gun of doom. you must be the enemy to know him
There have been times i get the upper hand mind you and end up instead killing the scout. I just find this tactic to be very annoying and yes i have learned to really hate the larger open area maps. Now i normally call in a lav from a safe location and drive to my objective (or close to it)
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Thurak1
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Posted - 2014.04.05 04:30:00 -
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JP Acuna wrote:I hated this at first too (me being a scout actually).
But today i found i'm getting very used to it. Actually had my best kill count EVER using a heavy with logi support (I just started using heavies now in 1.8). Lots of scouts throwing remotes and grenades at me, trying to shotgun me from the back, they all FAILED!!!
Then we took care of 1 objective that was being constantly attacked by a proto scout and others. Only died once and the objective was safe. We were only 2 but found out the right position to have the upper hand and make it hard or impossible for them to attack us without being noticed.
When the "cloak situation" reaches your unconscious, sooner or later you'll adapt. Better if you try the cloak-shotgun combo yourself sometime, you'll be more prepared to counter it.
I have played the combo myself and i love it. I was using very inferior gear (dragonfly scout suit the free cloaks that were given out and militia shotgun) had a very nice 20 to 5 kd. Mostly got killed when picked up on a scanner because i have 0 sp in dampening.
I think mostly what bothers me is how much damage shotguns do. I know nova knifes probably do similar damage when charged but those seemed to be more difficult to really use and you had to be right in melee range. Shotguns dont require a charge up time just get close and shoot.
It was a fun game and i loved the hatemail from it.
Deep down though the Caldari heavy is the heavy i really love to play its the heavy suit from open beta that i loved playing. Tons of shields decent armor and good mobility. Its how i prefer to play a heavy. |
Thurak1
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Posted - 2014.04.05 06:02:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:If you're not prepared to watch your back, bring someone to watch it for you, or we will stab and shoot you there.
Cloaks aren't a win button, and certainly not against Heavies.
You can barely sensor-tank any Heavy suit up well enough to detect an undampened and untrained Light with passive scans, and while a Commando can technically bring an Active Scanner and pick up some less sneaky Scouts that way, it's not the ideal approach.
Without a cloak, Scouts are primarily only visible to Heavies when the Heavy is looking at the Scout. With a cloak, Scouts are still visible if the Heavy looks in their direction. As such, the Scout only needs to be seen to be countered. If you're dying to a Scout before you see them, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
Shotguns have NO range. You can easily kill a Shotgun Scout before they can hit you. All you need is - as mentioned before - awareness of your vulnerabilities and a willingness to LOOK AROUND.
From my experience as a scout the cloak is nearly an instant win and k/d padder pretty darn good for inflating my wallet also.
I have a fit that costs me less than 10k and i get (for me) an amazing k/d ratio every time i use it. I have never put any points into being a scout and i have played them in the past generally when getting redlined to drop uplinks for better position. So expert scout i am not. I dont think i would really call myself much more than a novice scout.
With a cloak and militia shotgun though i tell you it sure is easy to get headshot kills. So yea i would argue that the cloak is pretty darned close to a win button.
I also have no points in profile dampening so i imagine that anyone with points in detection can see me on passive. |
Thurak1
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Posted - 2014.04.05 07:25:00 -
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MRBH1997 wrote:Cloaks are fine and I'm not even a scout, all you need to do is open your eyes and look more closely. And if you get shotguned from the back it's no different if the scout had only dampeners and no cloak. So no they are fine and not OP. If anything is an issue would be cloaks on medium suits which I have yet to try an see how easy it can be fitted.
While that is easy when in close proximity when it comes to open maps that is far more difficult than you make it seem to be. In maps where there is more up close fighting heavys now dominate (or at least i do) and sneaking up on me is hard because its easy for me to create a bottleneck.
On maps where there are large expanses of open area its very easy for a scout to stalk an area and very quickly close the distance and get a kill. |
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