I think its time the forums make a sticky thread on cloaks...

I say as a cloak user, that a cloak is a great equalizer for the glass cannon that runs in the shadows

600 EHP with cloak, 800 without. or even better, leave your second equip slot empty and leave nades at home and you get even more than 600 with cloak

the only scout that is a glass cannon is the minmatar one, because his fittings are gimped beyond measure.

in short, it does not matter what you think cause you lost all credibility by this one statement alone

600-800 hp compared to.... medium frames that average in the 900-1100 HP or heavy's with 1100-1400 hp, since we are talking about proto gear. Please be constructive and concise with your comments, your attempt has been deconstructive and even less credible a comment and is ruining a possibly good talk, now move along

Actually it 700-900 Scouts against 500-600 Assaults and 1800 Heavies. Anyway Irrespective.
The problem with the cloak is not down to how easy it is to see or how you need to pay attention, that's just Claokers whining because they are trying to defend cloaks using very little evidence. Just so everyone knows, its a cloak it is designed to be hard to see, that's why its hard to see.

However that isn't the main crux of the problem. Orginally when the cloak was under development CCP released a statement on how this mechanic would work, they had originally planned to allow you to fire whilst cloaked. Doing so however 90% of the timewould completely drained your energy and you would be forcibly decloaked for the next 20 secs, more often tham not sealing your doom, however the forum community told CCP this was a bad idea, they said they didn't want people firing while cloaked period.

So CCP listened and changed the cloak so anh acction other than hacking decloaked you. Do you not think if the ability to fire under the effects were purposeful they would left in that penalty? All we want is for CCP to do what they promised, we don't care which they prefer but so far, even the first version is better than the current.

600-800 hp compared to.... medium frames that average in the 900-1100 HP or heavy's with 1100-1400 hp, since we are talking about proto gear. Please be constructive and concise with your comments, your attempt has been deconstructive and even less credible a comment and is ruining a possibly good talk, now move along

able to fire while cloaked.

my comments are always credible, hardened by facts and fueled by experience since dust beta started. I can talk how I want as long as I do not break the forum rules. if you do not like how I talk with you, well here is a tissue, cry me river. #gitgud

and how about you stop exaggerating and get your facts straight? scouts, with current slot layout, can fit the same tanks that assaults can, they have only lower EHP because the suits have lower HP but we are talking about values of ~100 and only if the assault suit can actually fit all that slots with maximum tank, the minmatar assault for example cannot.

for that minor HP decrease scout gets higher speed, better shield recharge, smaller hitbox, cloak, second equipment slot and automatically beats advanced scanners without any investment. both suits deals the same damage in combat. currently there is no point in running assault for combat, scout is the new assault.


you can already fire while cloaked. the decloak animation for you on your screen might be instant but it isnt for everyone else.

and before someone comes in and claims it is cause of lag, how about you use common sense:
-everything is server side
-if the decloaker lags then his fired weapon would also lag

So the first part.... derailing and not constructive...

the only thing derailing in this thread is the lack of proper information from your side

I am sorry that my holy mission is to smite unworthy peasants when they write something stupid in the forum, deal with it #gitgud

600-800 hp compared to.... medium frames that average in the 900-1100 HP or heavy's with 1100-1400 hp, since we are talking about proto gear. Please be constructive and concise with your comments, your attempt has been deconstructive and even less credible a comment and is ruining a possibly good talk, now move along

There was a nice constructive conversation about cloaks going on until this was posted.

I have a good Caldari Assault fit with over 1000 EHP.
4 Complex Shield Extenders
3 Enhanced Armor Plates
Boundless Combat Rifle
Basic Flaylock Pistol
Basic Flux Grenades