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TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 298	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:03:00 - [1] - Quote Now this is a generalized statement not meant to point out anyone in particular. I remember a few months back that I started a thread about the conduct that the dev team here in dust 514 were displaying was down right appalling. On my return to the game in 1.8 I find that this trend has continued. It is a very sad thing that my hopes were not high but at a point where I expected better. Now, don't get me wrong. I love the game. The community is great. However the fundamental flaws of this game have not only been widely apparent, but consistent to a level that is beyond unacceptable. Yet, the coin has two sides. Our community even though outraged and expressed their concerns both legitimately and not so legitimately have allowed this type of conduct to continue. CCP, we may expect a lot from you. Considering the promises that were made before the game released and the slow progress of content that has still yet to be delivered upon. It is understandable that in times of change we need to be considerate to complex designs of a corporation most of us have no true understanding of. However, that doesn't excuse the quality of product you have laid before us. I don't feel I need to refer to the long list of patches, builds, fixes, or changes made to the game in the time since release specifically. The experience and volume of incoming new players is a testament to the poor quality of each. You fail time and time again to address some of the most flawed aspects of the game while making radical changes to others without proper testing. Then you take that untested product and present it to a very loyal community expecting that just because we are used to the continued betrayal of our trust it is ok. When the community expects and accepts the fact that such product is presented as finished and upgraded from the current state of this game it is sad. Unfortunately, it is already the case. How can you expect to be considered a competitive FPS type game if the product you push is unfinished and untested? How do you expect the new player community to react to how the game has no release from veteran players being able to manhandle them? Be very glad I do not run the DUST 514 department of CCP. There would be very many of you without jobs. Like I said before, there are literally thousands of young focused programers that are hungry for a chance to be a part of this game's advancement. Any of you who are familiar with the eve community should know that what the Dust community endures would be met with extreme hostility both on the forums and in game fronts. I wish our player base would use them as an example at times. Not, that this thread will change anything or will help band our players together to act upon what is a terrible series of consistent neglect, but I needed to vent a bit. Director, Dust University
Castor Crave Orbital Flares 524	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:16:00 - [2] - Quote Hey True, how's life? Good to have you back. Don't blame the programers though, they are not the ones responsible for what happened. Did you know that CCP already burned through two EPs for DUST 514? Those are the guys in charge of the project. The third one got hired some time last year, the first time we will hear from him will be at Fanfest where he will reveal what direction the game will take within the next 3-12 months. Throw your rotten fruits at that guy if you must, but don't forget to keep one or two for SoxFour Mercenary Log
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3918	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:19:00 - [3] - Quote Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 299	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:21:00 - [4] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. I am far from entitled to anything. But, the players however are entitled. They are the ones spending their time and money supporting this game. I feel they defiantly are entitled to a complete and finished product that has been fully bug tested. Oh, and be sure to quote properly. The statement was: "Be very glad I do not run the DUST 514 department of CCP. There would be very many of you without jobs." People don't like to hear it, but it is a very real thing in a lot of professions. Director, Dust University
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3918	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:31:00 - [5] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. I am far from entitled to anything. But, the players however are entitled. They are the ones spending their time and money supporting this game. I feel they defiantly are entitled to a complete and finished product that has been fully bug tested. But aren't you're a player? So what are you saying essentially? You're entitled to have a perfect game and other games in the FPS genre has gotten it right without any hiccups for their release? That people played games that were not severely broken (i.e. Call of Duty hit detection which was a joke)? No they can't possibly see all the bugs...that's where we come in. What was the reason that Respawn encouraged players to come to open beta? To spam the heck out of the servers to test the game's merits. We are the testers of this game. We find the bugs and we bring it to their attention. A small team can't possibly find all that we find. Listen, I'm not saying they are perfect or some great god of developing company. But the way the community handles this situation and the things they say are just downright obnoxious, oblivious and reeks of immaturity. They told us this project wasn't going to be a wham bam, thank you ma'am thing. They told us they will be improving it over time. They showed us a concept of where they would like to be. They are building towards that, not at the speed you or I would like, but with their dedication and our involvement, the game will get there. It's about having a mature understanding of these things instead of just throwing a fit, posting empty threats as if that would generate a genuine response (lord knows if I was a dev, I couldn't visit these forums and read a plethora of bratty self entitled posts) and acting as if the game stopped growing on its "release" date. If we are going to point at the devs, maybe we need to point at the community too. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 301	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:32:00 - [6] - Quote Castor Crave wrote: Hey True, how's life? Good to have you back. Don't blame the programers though, they are not the ones responsible for what happened. Did you know that CCP already burned through two EPs for DUST 514? Those are the guys in charge of the project. The third one got hired some time last year, the first time we will hear from him will be at Fanfest where he will reveal what direction the game will take within the next 3-12 months. Throw your rotten fruits at that guy if you must, but don't forget to keep one or two for SoxFour Life is good! I am glad to be back. Like I said in the post. "It is understandable that in times of change we need to be considerate to complex designs of a corporation most of us have no true understanding of." But, I did expect more when it comes to a supposedly finished product. I.E. 1.8 - Also, this isn't something that JUST happened this ONCE. It has been consistent for the entirety of the games existence. Director, Dust University
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 301	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:35:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. I am far from entitled to anything. But, the players however are entitled. They are the ones spending their time and money supporting this game. I feel they defiantly are entitled to a complete and finished product that has been fully bug tested. But aren't you're a player? So what are you saying essentially? You're entitled to have a perfect game and other games in the FPS genre has gotten it right without any hiccups for their release? That people played games that were not severely broken (i.e. Call of Duty hit detection which was a joke)? No they can't possibly see all the bugs...that's where we come in. What was the reason that Respawn encouraged players to come to open beta? To spam the heck out of the servers to test the game's merits. We are the testers of this game. We find the bugs and we bring it to their attention. A small team can't possibly find all that we find. Listen, I'm not saying they are perfect or some great god of developing company. But the way the community handles this situation and the things they say are just downright obnoxious, oblivious and reeks of immaturity. They told us this project wasn't going to be a wham bam, thank you ma'am thing. They told us they will be improving it over time. They showed us a concept of where they would like to be. They are building towards that, not at the speed you or I would like, but with their dedication and our involvement, the game will get there. It's about having a mature understanding of these things instead of just throwing a fit, posting empty threats as if that would generate a genuine response (lord knows if I was a dev, I couldn't visit these forums and read a plethora of bratty self entitled posts) and acting as if the game stopped growing on its "release" date. If we are going to point at the devs, maybe we need to point at the community too. I did point out the community. I said that it is our own faults that we accept the type of product we have been given. Once again, I would not even remotely be at the point of posting something like this if it wasn't a consistent thing since the game's inception. Director, Dust University
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2146	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:55:00 - [8] - Quote Dude, seriously? I've been playing this game for two years now. I understand the frustrations, but in any game where there are major content updates coming in expect bugs. It's almost impossible to avoid. No as far as the interaction with the community is concerned things have been improved immensely. We know about changes and additions long before they are implemented, and our feedback is noted. While there is much room for improvement, we are talking about real human beings with families. Blatantly saying "You shouldn't have a job" is a d1ck move. Gal-mando. Because the best sidearm is a shotgun.
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 302	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:06:00 - [9] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Dude, seriously? I've been playing this game for two years now. I understand the frustrations, but in any game where there are major content updates coming in expect bugs. It's almost impossible to avoid. No as far as the interaction with the community is concerned things have been improved immensely. We know about changes and additions long before they are implemented, and our feedback is noted. While there is much room for improvement, we are talking about real human beings with families. Blatantly saying "You shouldn't have a job" is a d1ck move. I am a jerk, there is not questioning or debating that. Sorry I don't sugar coat my statements. Yes, the game has improved. Yes, the delivery of information has also been improved. But, those changes came over time an were fought for by our community. I did say I loved the game. I did say I understand that change effects productivity. But, it doesn't excuse the initial delivery of a product. It is because we accept the fact that flawed product is pushed that it has been a common place within the development in this game. The sooner the community starts to not except such things the sooner it will cease or at least come to a more acceptable level. When a community becomes accustomed to things of this nature and except it is when those things continue to exist. Don't like what I have to say, too bad. Director, Dust University
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 309	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:31:00 - [10] - Quote I am very glad this post was unlocked. The content that I wrote may be harsh, but it is what I see. It does not point out or attack any individual specifically. Like I stated above, I don't know everything that is going on internally, but something needs to change and drastically. Everyone involved in this game wants it to be successful. There are thousands of people who love this game, but I feel that it could be tens of thousands if we can just get on the right track. CCP Dust 514 team. You have disappointed me more then once. You turned me into a lier. While I advocated to new hundreds of new players each and every night. I found a blind belief that you guys would see it through. There is no questioning that there have been major improvements to the game. But, those things have come at a cost. It is hard for me to run a lecture everyday when the idea of dramatic changes to game mechanics can take place so often. It is difficult for me to advocate the progress of the game to new players who are mercilessly destroyed in public matches that you have their interests in mind. I now believe whole heartedly that the majority of players still clinging to this game are people who may like the game, but are more time and money invested over playing the game for its enjoyability. Don't be content with the unfinished and untested content that spills forth from CCP's half cocked ideas. Demand quality product. In Eve Online they rioted in every major market for days and days over things like this. We as a community have the ability to do things like this. That is what makes CCP a great company. Oh and CCP Dust 514 team. No amount of pretty CGI cut scenes or highly graphic power point presentations at fan fest will convince me proper change is coming soon tm. The community deserves results. Not promises in any form. Director, Dust University

Flaminius-Aurelius Julius DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:57:00 - [11] - Quote As much as I have had my disappointments, the only thing I wish this game did was not make it 'official release'. If this was titled 'Open beta' still, it would be much, much better for me to sell it to a friend. It is tough trying to explain to them that it is a released product, that isn't quite finished and is really in a beta mode still. Things like the sandbox of SOV, production, contracts, markets, interaction with EVE, PVE, and the beautiful worlds of New Eden still aren't here yet, and those features are what make this game appealing to anyone. It is still just rudimentary basics of a matchmaking shooter, albeit a very innovative and creative skills/customization system, that has a good clan system. Not the product that people are looking for and I don't think it is the product that CCP wants it to be seen as. I do, however, have higher hopes. I know you weren't happy with 1.8 True, but I think it delivered just what it promised. I was not expecting that and we all will wait with baited breath for Fanfest to see what is the next year's vision they are trying to caste for us. Veni, Vedi, Veni
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 698	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:58:00 - [12] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. I am far from entitled to anything. But, the players however are entitled. They are the ones spending their time and money supporting this game. I feel they defiantly are entitled to a complete and finished product that has been fully bug tested. But aren't you're a player? So what are you saying essentially? You're entitled to have a perfect game and other games in the FPS genre has gotten it right without any hiccups for their release? That people played games that were not severely broken (i.e. Call of Duty hit detection which was a joke)? No they can't possibly see all the bugs...that's where we come in. What was the reason that Respawn encouraged players to come to open beta? To spam the heck out of the servers to test the game's merits. We are the testers of this game. We find the bugs and we bring it to their attention. A small team can't possibly find all that we find. Listen, I'm not saying they are perfect or some great god of developing company. But the way the community handles this situation and the things they say are just downright obnoxious, oblivious and reeks of immaturity. They told us this project wasn't going to be a wham bam, thank you ma'am thing. They told us they will be improving it over time. They showed us a concept of where they would like to be. They are building towards that, not at the speed you or I would like, but with their dedication and our involvement, the game will get there. It's about having a mature understanding of these things instead of just throwing a fit, posting empty threats as if that would generate a genuine response (lord knows if I was a dev, I couldn't visit these forums and read a plethora of bratty self entitled posts) and acting as if the game stopped growing on its "release" date. If we are going to point at the devs, maybe we need to point at the community too. Pull CCP's ** out of your ass fanboy. There is so much ccpfellating in your posts its ridiculous. You claim with our dedication and involvement this game will get there....prove it? It's been over a year and we are still in the exact same spot we were a year ago. We (as a community) have funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars into this game, yes, we are entitled to our opinions. Please, enlighten us with your "mature understanding" of "these things". What is an acceptable timeline for simple bugs and testing to take place? If this was CoD you twit, we'd have had 3 new CoD titles in the same amount of time its taken them to not fix anything. The game has stopped growing. What rock do you live under that leads you to believe otherwise? What more do you want from the community? Many pay money for this 'free' game, we dedicate our time(=money), and loyalty to this game. We have accepted the role of tester, neigh, embraced the role. Now you are asking in a very condescending tone that we stop asking CCP to fix the problems with the game that are pushing more and more people away every week? They build the biggest content release patch, and the *** passive skills still don't apply two weeks later??? How is this acceptable? HOW THE DID YOU NOT EVEN TRY THE BUILD ONCE?? Same thing happened with turbo boosters in 1.7. Its ***** pathetic and ridiculous the product they continue to release. Don't worry though, they fixed the bug where if you go to a supply depot you can swap fits and remain cloaked. Because that's what takes priority. You wanted obnoxious, oblivious, and downright immature, there you go. The Pro-fit Prophet AKA Mr. Gimme-yo-lunch-money AKA Dat Nikka
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 468	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:32:00 - [13] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Michael Arck wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. I am far from entitled to anything. But, the players however are entitled. They are the ones spending their time and money supporting this game. I feel they defiantly are entitled to a complete and finished product that has been fully bug tested. But aren't you're a player? So what are you saying essentially? You're entitled to have a perfect game and other games in the FPS genre has gotten it right without any hiccups for their release? That people played games that were not severely broken (i.e. Call of Duty hit detection which was a joke)? No they can't possibly see all the bugs...that's where we come in. What was the reason that Respawn encouraged players to come to open beta? To spam the heck out of the servers to test the game's merits. We are the testers of this game. We find the bugs and we bring it to their attention. A small team can't possibly find all that we find. Listen, I'm not saying they are perfect or some great god of developing company. But the way the community handles this situation and the things they say are just downright obnoxious, oblivious and reeks of immaturity. They told us this project wasn't going to be a wham bam, thank you ma'am thing. They told us they will be improving it over time. They showed us a concept of where they would like to be. They are building towards that, not at the speed you or I would like, but with their dedication and our involvement, the game will get there. It's about having a mature understanding of these things instead of just throwing a fit, posting empty threats as if that would generate a genuine response (lord knows if I was a dev, I couldn't visit these forums and read a plethora of bratty self entitled posts) and acting as if the game stopped growing on its "release" date. If we are going to point at the devs, maybe we need to point at the community too. Pull CCP's ** out of your ass fanboy. There is so much ccpfellating in your posts its ridiculous. You claim with our dedication and involvement this game will get there....prove it? It's been over a year and we are still in the exact same spot we were a year ago. We (as a community) have funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars into this game, yes, we are entitled to our opinions. Please, enlighten us with your "mature understanding" of "these things". What is an acceptable timeline for simple bugs and testing to take place? If this was CoD you twit, we'd have had 3 new CoD titles in the same amount of time its taken them to not fix anything. The game has stopped growing. What rock do you live under that leads you to believe otherwise? What more do you want from the community? Many pay money for this 'free' game, we dedicate our time(=money), and loyalty to this game. We have accepted the role of tester, neigh, embraced the role. Now you are asking in a very condescending tone that we stop asking CCP to fix the problems with the game that are pushing more and more people away every week? They build the biggest content release patch, and the *** passive skills still don't apply two weeks later??? How is this acceptable? HOW THE DID YOU NOT EVEN TRY THE BUILD ONCE?? Same thing happened with turbo boosters in 1.7. Its *** pathetic and ridiculous the product they continue to release. Don't worry though, they fixed the bug where if you go to a supply depot you can swap fits and remain cloaked. Because that's what takes priority. You wanted obnoxious, oblivious, and downright immature, there you go. Samsung last week rolled out a tested fIrmware update for the s3, but somewhere along the way they missed an optimization error which caused the update to drain the battery in nearly six hours instead of the standard 24 that they've set. Today is 6 days later, still not fixed. The amount of butthurt this **- weaseling d!ck-fart forum community has makes me wonder why Samsung isn't burnt to the ground already. Is it because people in real accept that things go south, and that maybe, just frogking maybe, it takes time to find the frogking problem. Is it horse sh!t that 1.8 bugsfrom launch are still about? Yes. Its sofa king hard to fg an ads or tank giving a point hell at spawn, but any amount of sh!t posting in this forum will not resolve the issue faster. GdiDD, you know that. A small studio stretched thin between damage control and finishing up codename evolution for fanfest release makes for delays. Perhaps all of us should be asking/petitioning for CCP to hire more persons. Or stop shadow coding a ps4 port. Between SOE's " don't brick ps3's" mandate and very few rolling through the stupid huge amount of code to find and improve the broken lines, its quite amazing anything gets done. Ever. But hey, what do I know, im one of those sh!tbrains that actually enjoy this game and have since replication. Rail rifle + Bolt Pistol= death at >50meters. Under 50, I die. You can edit my posts, but you can't edit my sig
General John Ripper 19553	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:52:00 - [14] - Quote My name is General John Ripper not General Beef Taco My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 cpm petition Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2155	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:06:00 - [15] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: Dude, seriously? I've been playing this game for two years now. I understand the frustrations, but in any game where there are major content updates coming in expect bugs. It's almost impossible to avoid. No as far as the interaction with the community is concerned things have been improved immensely. We know about changes and additions long before they are implemented, and our feedback is noted. While there is much room for improvement, we are talking about real human beings with families. Blatantly saying "You shouldn't have a job" is a d1ck move. I am a jerk, there is no questioning or debating that. Sorry I don't sugar coat my statements. Yes, the game has improved. Yes, the delivery of information has also been improved. But, those changes came over time an were fought for by our community. I did say I loved the game. I did say I understand that change effects productivity. But, it doesn't excuse the initial delivery of a product. It is because we accept the fact that flawed product is pushed that it has been a common place within the development in this game. The sooner the community starts to not except such things the sooner it will cease or at least come to a more acceptable level. When a community becomes accustomed to things of this nature and except it is when those things continue to exist. Don't like what I have to say, too bad. These changes didn't come because we fought for them. We convinced CCP to work with us more. That is how the game will be improved. Outright hostility causes defensiveness and is counterproductive. Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1391	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:37:00 - [16] - Quote I think the complainers really don't understand how software/game development works. It's not like assembling pogo sticks in a factory. It's immensely complicated. You can stare at a code for 3 hours straight and not find the problem, and go take a crap on the toilet and the solution might randomly pop into your head. It's an unpredictable, erratic and messy process. You also can't throw lots of people at a problem and expect it to get done more quickly with programming, like you can with most other things. You need VERY smart people in the top coding positions. CCP doesn't get a free pass. They've made some major mistakes at the top levels in terms of direction that have been very costly in terms of setbacks. I think they need to put in place a test server on the PC running in a ps3 emulator. There is a ton of low-hanging fruit that hasn't been picked: e.g. Making ISK-efficiency the most important stat (trivial to code) in the end of match list and on the leader boards, which would create a lot of social pressure to run economical fits, and discourage protostomping (via shaming and social mechanics). There are some simple fixes to the UI (e.g. If you only have 3 possible choices in your radial equipment menu, then it should be evenly divided into 3rds to make selection dramatically easier). They could easily add an optional 2nd tier academy mode, for players under 5 mill SP to give them a safe harbor to develop their characters some, before being thrown to the wolves. Adding militia variants for all weapons would make a huge positive impact on the NPE with very little development time required. Also remember that this game is pretty radical in many ways. It's interfacing 2 separate games from 2 separate genres, on 2 separate platforms. It has the most extensive and complex skill, module, vehicle/suit fitting system ever created in a FPS, which will continue to get even richer and more complicated over time. This stuff is tricky to get right, and in many ways they're doing a lot with a pretty small team with a limited budget and not a lot of experience. Changes are necessary though. The current pace of development is too slow to get DUST to where it needs to be to really take off in the market. If they can hit the "tipping point" and start to see significant growth, then we can expect the team to grow and development accelerate. Best PvE idea ever!
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 320	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:49:00 - [17] - Quote When we push for change, change happens. What I see in a lot of post are people making excuses for a company they don't know much about. Not saying I know anything myself. However the product speaks for itself. While many suggestions are made, most are ignored. How long have we as a community called out for something only to have a generalized response regarding the subject matter that neither answers our questions or actually indicates some sort of real acknowledgment of our concerns. I am a very loyal consumer and don't plan on pulling my money away from the CCP company as a whole. I wouldn't ask anyone else to do so either. They have created a great concept and allowed us to experience those ideas. No question that creating this type of project takes a lot of work, time, and effort on the part of CCP, but there are steps that are clearly not being taken to ensure that it is a quality product. Not to deflect this thread off topic, but plain and simple. the NPE is just ridiculously under developed and as of this moment there has been no real progress on that front. In fact it has regressed more then ever. New players are what not only keep a game like this alive, but enrich the community. AND, NO CCP, just because there is increasing account creations or character creations does not mean those are new players. New player retention is almost non existent. I myself have only been back for a week or so from a long break and have focused on interaction with new players. The frustration and very limited understanding of the game these players have to endure is completely unacceptable. All you veterans may be enjoying the fact you can stomp these new players in PUBS and those of you who have dominated PC, yes it is part of the game and yes you are exposing a huge flaw in the way CCP developed that aspect of the game. But, in reality you are hurting this game more and more by doing so. You do not allow new players to experience what this game has to really offer. Limited as it may be. Proto squads dominate PUBs and FW, not allowing new players to properly compete either. It is funny and fun, no doubt, but you are severely hurting the growth of our community. In short, CCP you are pushing unfinished and untested product. You are getting away with it for now. It won't last forever. Don't like what I said about your jobs? Well, you might want to take it seriously, because in any work place anywhere around the world, you don't get the job done. Your company WILL find someone else to do it. It is reality. To the community, there are some of you out there advocating for a better future in this game. I applaud that action. We need more people willing to voice their opinions in constructive ways. However, the mentality that these flaws are acceptable is an incorrect one. Don't make excuses for a company that makes tons of money from your contributions. Demand a better future for this game, our community and we may be able to get on the right track if we work together and focus on the tasks at hand. We the community are as much a part of this game's development as the Devs are. Military Training Director, Dust University Dennie Fleetfoot for CPM1
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1154	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:24:00 - [18] - Quote Part of the problem at the moment is the necessary need for radio silence that CCP have had to adopt over the last few months. Much has had to be changed from the ground up in Shanghai. A lot of working practices have had to be ditched, what was considered as acceptable is no longer and all of this makes for very, very dull Dev Blogs. With no new information, hungry minds can make up their own. Now, I've not had the pleasure as yet of speaking or communicating with CCP Rouge and I'm very much looking forward to meet him and judge for myself the positives that have been spoken of him. What has been consistently been said of him is that he will not announce and more importantly promise anything that he feels can't be delivered by the team in Shanghai. This silence has been in place so that he can prepare and make certain that anything that he shows at Fanfest is not merely aspirational but actively being worked and can be delivered in a timeframe that is reasonable. Its also clear that some serious reworking has been done to the game. The fact that 1.8 has had 5 hot fixes in the space of a couple of weeks tells me that the Fanfest build is locked and the team has the time and resources to fix things before traveling to Iceland for Fanfest. Have they had time to do a PS4 port? Maybe.. I'm informed by someone who worked on the console itself that dedicated team could compile the code for a port in 6 weeks. But then I'm informed of many things about Dust and two third's of it is always bogus. But this Fanfest and the following year are crucial to the long term survival of the game. This might be CCP's last chance with this community. All I want for Fanfest is a game that is stable, balanced and works. I don't much care for the flashy stuff if there isn't the substance its missed since launch behind it all. CPM1 Candidate CEO of DUST University
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1570	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:39:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. when I purchase a game platform it is done with the expected result that the games for it will run and that said games will improve after a years development time Checks to see if Playstation 4 is in stock . Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 457	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:51:00 - [20] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. I am far from entitled to anything. But, the players however are entitled. They are the ones spending their time and money supporting this game. I feel they defiantly are entitled to a complete and finished product that has been fully bug tested. Oh, and be sure to quote properly. The statement was: "Be very glad I do not run the DUST 514 department of CCP. There would be very many of you without jobs." People don't like to hear it, but it is a very real thing in a lot of professions. For most games, I'd agree with you, but this game is completely free to play. Any money you spend is an attempt to speed up the process of getting better, that's all -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando

TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 324	Posted - 2014.04.10 00:03:00 - [21] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. I am far from entitled to anything. But, the players however are entitled. They are the ones spending their time and money supporting this game. I feel they defiantly are entitled to a complete and finished product that has been fully bug tested. Oh, and be sure to quote properly. The statement was: "Be very glad I do not run the DUST 514 department of CCP. There would be very many of you without jobs." People don't like to hear it, but it is a very real thing in a lot of professions. For most games, I'd agree with you, but this game is completely free to play. Any money you spend is an attempt to speed up the process of getting better, that's all Yes it is free to play, but I have put a lot more money into this game then any other FPS game in existence. Not to mention I bought a PS3 and use it specifically for this game alone. So, considering that I have paid quiet a bit for this game. I am sure there are many others who have done so as well. So the argument that this is a FTP game is irreverent. Not to put it in a mean way, sorry if the reply came off that way. Oh, and I do plan to spend more money on the game, because I support CCP. I just don't approve of poor product creation and companies trying to push it as quality product. Military Training Director, Dust University Dennie Fleetfoot for CPM1
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1571	Posted - 2014.04.10 00:11:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Sounds like you feel entitled. Funny how people played COD competitively for years...with its poor hit detection. BF4 is a complete mess. And this game is far from a completed product. I can understand some problems or difference of view when discussing the developers, but it seems this attitude of "I'm a gamer and you're made to serve me" is just downright wrong. It is up to the community to constructively offer their opinions instead of empty threats of "I would fire you if I ran the company". That's just pure immaturity, really. I am far from entitled to anything. But, the players however are entitled. They are the ones spending their time and money supporting this game. I feel they defiantly are entitled to a complete and finished product that has been fully bug tested. But aren't you're a player? So what are you saying essentially? You're entitled to have a perfect game and other games in the FPS genre has gotten it right without any hiccups for their release? That people played games that were not severely broken (i.e. Call of Duty hit detection which was a joke)? No they can't possibly see all the bugs...that's where we come in. What was the reason that Respawn encouraged players to come to open beta? To spam the heck out of the servers to test the game's merits. We are the testers of this game. We find the bugs and we bring it to their attention. A small team can't possibly find all that we find. Listen, I'm not saying they are perfect or some great god of developing company. But the way the community handles this situation and the things they say are just downright obnoxious, oblivious and reeks of immaturity. They told us this project wasn't going to be a wham bam, thank you ma'am thing. They told us they will be improving it over time. They showed us a concept of where they would like to be. They are building towards that, not at the speed you or I would like, but with their dedication and our involvement, the game will get there. It's about having a mature understanding of these things instead of just throwing a fit, posting empty threats as if that would generate a genuine response (lord knows if I was a dev, I couldn't visit these forums and read a plethora of bratty self entitled posts) and acting as if the game stopped growing on its "release" date. If we are going to point at the devs, maybe we need to point at the community too. every Dust 514 player purchasing a Playstation 4 and a preorder of PS4 Destiny, PS4 The Division, PS4 The Witcher 3, etc are not empty threats . they are real threats of get good CCP or else Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Boot Booter Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 416	Posted - 2014.04.10 00:38:00 - [23] - Quote This actually one of the most intelligent discussions I've read on this forum, very refreshing. Here's my take. I don't know much about game programming but I do know quite a bit about more low level programming (inverse / numerical modeling of earth systems). Anyway my experience with this is that adding more people can often be counter productive as it takes time to get them up to speed and work through the nuances of the code. What you need is a few, very talented and dedicated individuals with a clear goal. From what I've seen with this game is much of the updates are reworking previous flaws in the form of balancing. It's like they are swimming against the current. What needs to happen is a clearly defined goal with a clearly defined time frame. Start devoting all of the resources towards this goal. Obviously some things will have to be reworked or polished but it's time to press forward, the game feels very stagnant at the moment. Some may point to the new content but really the underlying flaws of this game still exist. I want to bring up the story of when I really started to become worried about the future of this game. I introduced it to a friend of mine. This friend is possibly the most dedicated person I've ever met. What I mean is, when he commits to something or is convinced to do something he doesn't quit easily. On top, he loves fps games and was supper excited to play dust. I got him to start playing in 1.7 and it took no more than a week for him to say **** it. The NPE is absolutely terrible in this game. Even with me constantly by his side he was getting slaughtered by protostomping squads and invincible speed tanks. Mix this along with an unimpressive UI and shear confusion and that was that.. We should demand more out of this game. We should be pissed when updates are riddled with bugs. We should be frustrated with the lack of communication and underlying flaws in this game. The game needs new players to survive.. It needs growth. What these flaws and terrible NPE seem like to new players is just that the game is bad. What do I know though.. Sorry for any bad English.. I'm typing this on my phone
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 166	Posted - 2014.04.10 00:53:00 - [24] - Quote I tend to get wrapped up in whatever game I am playing, in an effort to become "good". I have played this game dedicatedly since July...and often felt it could be better, but I just love the...sigh...potential. That there is the same reason I have broken off with girlfriends in the past--potential is not actuality. My brother wants me to jump over to COD. But we still play Dust because of its unique mechanics. It is reality that more content needs to be there for people. Tons of it. People need to wade through whats there, and give money because they want more of it. I'll keep playing because I am that kind of guy. If they port it to PS4 and let me keep my account (i.e. points), I'll probably jump to PS4. But this is, genuinely, a incredibly long open beta. I am OK with that. CCP: Your jobs are on the line because there are always other games, and other systems. Please pull it together however you deem necessary. GG :) Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1157	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:52:00 - [25] - Quote Someone posted me a link to some trolling videos from the latest COD in the last couple of days and other than the next gen graphics (it was from the Xbox One version) it looked exactly like the last COD I brought, which was MW3. Talk about lack of progression in your IP! CPM1 Candidate CEO of DUST University
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2694	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:25:00 - [26] - Quote I came in, saw the title, wanted to make a troll post. So I read OP in order to write something that made sense. And now I don't want to troll post anymore :( +1 OP. I definitely feel like this game is coming close to a breaking point; PS4s are no longer in short supply, games are being released for said console and FanFest is approaching. I have a feeling that if the FanFest patch isn't pretty damn good CCP are going to start seeing numbers dropping... ak.0 4 LYFE RARITY IS BEST PONE
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 380	Posted - 2014.04.14 00:38:00 - [27] - Quote This is just me, but, CCP Dust514 seems to be full of excuses and vague responses concerning game development, bugs and fundamental issues. There are also a lot of loyalist that defend them at every turn. I myself am a loyal customer to CCP, but that doesn't excuse them from their blatant mismanagement of the Dust 514 department. A friend of mine retorted with: "Things are changing in CCP Shanghai. They just got a new EP, and from what I understand they are working on a new development course that focuses on realistic goals for the game." This, in my opinion is complete crap! The "NEW" EP has been in charge for months now. As much as I snipe on developers and the community it doesn't compare to my contempt for the management team of Dust 514. CCP Rogue has kept quiet almost the entire time since he has taken his position. We blame Devs for poor content release, but it is really the management who allow such poor product to be released in the first place. 1.8's bugs, flaws, and poor quality should have been bug tested, refined, and cleared before ever being released. That release was approved by the management team of the Dust 514 Dev department. 1.8 is your introduction to us. Not a very good start. You good sirs should take full responsibility for the mistakes made in this latest patch. Instead of allowing us to fry these Devs all day. Keep in mind, the new content is not my issue. Seeing new things added to the game is great. Seeing the long list of problems is what I see as the real issues. A good leader takes care of his crew. No matter how much the other Devs defend you or how much loyalists gravel at your feet; first impressions are everything. Director, Dust University *~Kevall Longstride for CPM1~*
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 717	Posted - 2014.04.14 01:09:00 - [28] - Quote I don't see why they don't start over completely, fire shanghai, apologize to the community, and eat the loses as punishment for their carelessness. This new guy better have some radical changes and be from Iceland with eve online experience and visioning some eve parity. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*


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